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Old 2011-03-05, 23:13   Link #221
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Homura may have figured that dragging Kyoko out with her and forcing her to let Sayaka die alone would have made Kyoko become overcome with despair and turn her into a Witch. If that were the case, nothing good would come out of trying to save Kyoko.

Hey, I'm defending Homura for once. Imagine that.
Yeah sadly at that point there wasn't much for Homura to do. Kyoko was set on her path and forcing a retreat could have been a disaster. In this case it was too late.

There is definitely a lot to regret though for Homura as she likely walks into this battle alone. Her level head/cold sentiment and singular focus on Madoka aren't bad things. Focusing on one goal should be easier than trying to deal with a ton of things. If she had a more friendly personality might have gotten along better with Mami and Sayaka before impressions were set. If so then Mami probably doesn't bind Homura and get killed. That incident alone was huge since without it Sayaka doesn't build as hostile a stance against Homura and maybe doesn't even make a contract at all. Plus if she wasn't so focused just on Madoka might have gotten along better with Madoka anyways. Always saying to forget her friends who were Puella Magi was something Madoka couldn't do and made things more conflicted.

Obviously the main problem at the core of everything is Kyuube. But Homura's future knowledge could have gone a lot further if things had been done differently. Of course if she has gone through different timelines might have thought this was her only option. Just too bad with how things are looking right now.
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Old 2011-03-06, 00:44   Link #222
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After watching ep 9 again, I'm wondering what (if any) significance the arrangement of the furniture in Homura's home entails:

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Old 2011-03-06, 00:48   Link #223
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Dunno, if it's a clock (picture looking down at it from the ceiling), the time would be 3:25. That would be the day after the 12th episode if you turned it into a calendar date.
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Old 2011-03-06, 00:53   Link #224
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Yeah not sure if the furniture is anything more than an odd visual. Certainly can kind of see the clock when looking at it and seems from the mechanical parts above that they are inside the clock tower. The strangest thing I think is the large amount of seating when she is a pretty solitary character. Can't possibly entertain that many people .
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Old 2011-03-06, 01:30   Link #225
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Dunno, if it's a clock (picture looking down at it from the ceiling), the time would be 3:25. That would be the day after the 12th episode if you turned it into a calendar date.
Bonus 13th ep?
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Old 2011-03-07, 07:37   Link #226
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Here's a thought. If touching Homura during her time freeze allows you to be unfrozen, and assuming that Homura's time freeze is the reason why it appears as if she "teleports", then how did she move Sayaka out of the way in episode 5 without her being aware of it like Kyouko was?
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Old 2011-03-07, 07:58   Link #227
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The fact that Sayaka perceived is that Homura saved her, nothing more. That procedure maybe took 1 or 2 seconds. Imagine yourself in Sayaka's shoes, you're about to get crushed by Kyoko. Suddenly, a person appears before you and throws you out of the way, and just shortly after you hear Kyoko's devastating spear hit the ground. Nothing strange, right? Additionally, Sayaka was facing the other direction so she didn't really realize what was actually going on, and her eyes were closed as well.

For easiness though, maybe Homura kicked her out of the way and that kind of physical contact doesn't count. Remember how she also "touched" Charlotte to place the time bombs, whereas the physical contact was only that she touched the mob with her feet.

Or even easier: she can choose whether time is frozen for things she touches.

edit: Here's my take on the infamous illogical episode 5 rescue scene:

Homura was able to avoid Kyoko's barrier, whether it be to use a trick to overcome the wall or to come from above (the same way Kyoko escaped the scene). Now for the actual scene. We see that Homura walks a few steps, and afterwards we only see her appearing from above. Why is that? After she took the steps, she walked over to Sayaka and immediately threw her to the side. Then to avoid Kyoko Homura jumped back to the middle. The fact that she touched ground with her right foot first supports the logic. You jump with your left leg, your body usually rotates to the left and animation wise it fits the way she faces. Bingo?

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Old 2011-03-07, 11:59   Link #228
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For easiness though, maybe Homura kicked her out of the way and that kind of physical contact doesn't count.
I think it would count, but only for the duration of Homura's foot on Sayaka. It's also possible that if Homura was still in Time Stop when she kicked Sayaka, she wouldn't have budged. So Homura would've had to release time just long enough to deliver the kick.
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Old 2011-03-07, 12:35   Link #229
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FlareKnight - A case can be made that Homura made a strategic error in not actively trying to make sure that there was at least one magical girl to fight alongside her come Walpurgis Night.

In fairness, I do think that Homura wanted Mami to survive, at least partly for this very reason. And hence she did try to stop Mami from fighting Charlotte (which Homura may have known beforehand was doomed to failure).

However, after Sayaka became a magical girl, Homura perhaps should have told Madoka to not worry about Sayaka, since Homura would ensure that Sayaka stays Ok.

This would have put Madoka's mind more at ease, hence lessening the likelihood of Madoka deciding to become a magical girl for Sayaka's sake, and also freeing Homura up a bit more to try to keep Sayaka alive. It also may have kept the soul gem reveal from ever happening, which in turn would have kept Sayaka's mental state healthy enough to avoid descending into a witch prior to Walpurgis Night.

The key problem was ironically Kyoko, and her initial aggression against Sayaka. This put Homura in a bit of a bind where she probably felt that she needed to choose between the two (attempting to negotiate a true truce between Kyoko and Sayaka may have seen pointless to Homura prior to Episode 7).

As is, I think that Homura basically chose Kyoko over Sayaka, which ultimately resulted in her having neither to help her.
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Old 2011-03-07, 12:44   Link #230
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Here's a thought. If touching Homura during her time freeze allows you to be unfrozen, and assuming that Homura's time freeze is the reason why it appears as if she "teleports", then how did she move Sayaka out of the way in episode 5 without her being aware of it like Kyouko was?
I'd have to rewatch, but does Homura grab Kyouko's hand in episode 9 before she starts her time stop or after? If it is before, then it is possible anything she is touching at that time is not stopped, but anything she touches afterwards doesn't get unfrozen. So Kyouko grabbing onto Homura in Episode 8, and if she was holding hands with her in episode 9, she wouldn't be time stopped. However, after starting up her time stop ability perhaps Homura can no longer unfreeze anyone, allowing her to grab Sayaka completely without her knowing and also putting bombs and such on Catherine.
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Old 2011-03-07, 12:52   Link #231
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FlareKnight - A case can be made that Homura made a strategic error in not actively trying to make sure that there was at least one magical girl to fight alongside her come Walpurgis Night.

In fairness, I do think that Homura wanted Mami to survive, at least partly for this very reason. And hence she did try to stop Mami from fighting Charlotte (which Homura may have known beforehand was doomed to failure).

However, after Sayaka became a magical girl, Homura perhaps should have told Madoka to not worry about Sayaka, since Homura would ensure that Sayaka stays Ok.

This would have put Madoka's mind more at ease, hence lessening the likelihood of Madoka deciding to become a magical girl for Sayaka's sake, and also freeing Homura up a bit more to try to keep Sayaka alive. It also may have kept the soul gem reveal from ever happening, which in turn would have kept Sayaka's mental state healthy enough to avoid descending into a witch prior to Walpurgis Night.

The key problem was ironically Kyoko, and her initial aggression against Sayaka. This put Homura in a bit of a bind where she probably felt that she needed to choose between the two (attempting to negotiate a true truce between Kyoko and Sayaka may have seen pointless to Homura prior to Episode 7).

As is, I think that Homura basically chose Kyoko over Sayaka, which ultimately resulted in her having neither to help her.
Pure speculation of course, but I think there was a fundamental issue that both Mami and Sayaka didn't trust Homura enough to work with her for what she needed on Walpurgis Night. Mami also had an issue where she was pushing Madoka toward being a magical girl, which while Homura could probably stop would make it difficult to work together. Mami was also had a total trust in QB which means that she probably wouldn't work with Homura on basically an anti-QB thing. Sayaka, as a result of Mami's death, her initial distrust of Homura, and a combination of not having some of the information (the circumstances for Homura not 'saving' Mami and basically 'swooping in on her kill') was also not ideal. There is also the issue that Sayaka possibly just wasn't strong enough in Homura's eyes to help, especially if she would have to baby her/save her a bunch of times to keep her safe. At the least, Homura has already stated that she felt Sayaka was very poorly suited to be a magical girl.

That basically left Kyouko. Homura stated that she believed that Kyouko as well suited to being a MG. She also knew that Kyouko was experienced, and quite a bit stronger than Sayaka. Thus Kyouko she felt had the best possibility of working with her.
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Old 2011-03-07, 12:54   Link #232
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Before. She says afterward that if Kyouko lets go she will freeze in time too. So that theory and Vanish's (that she can choose what is frozen and unfrozen) both make sense.

It's a unique power for sure.
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Old 2011-03-07, 12:55   Link #233
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She grabbed Kyoko's hands before stopping time. If she isn't already touching it, I don't think Homura can pull anything into the Time Stop effect with her.
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Old 2011-03-08, 08:16   Link #234
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I think the ability of Homura is similar to that of Meleoron in the Hunter×Hunter series in that they can share their ability with those who are touching their body.
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Old 2011-03-08, 22:09   Link #235
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FlareKnight - A case can be made that Homura made a strategic error in not actively trying to make sure that there was at least one magical girl to fight alongside her come Walpurgis Night.

In fairness, I do think that Homura wanted Mami to survive, at least partly for this very reason. And hence she did try to stop Mami from fighting Charlotte (which Homura may have known beforehand was doomed to failure).

However, after Sayaka became a magical girl, Homura perhaps should have told Madoka to not worry about Sayaka, since Homura would ensure that Sayaka stays Ok.

This would have put Madoka's mind more at ease, hence lessening the likelihood of Madoka deciding to become a magical girl for Sayaka's sake, and also freeing Homura up a bit more to try to keep Sayaka alive. It also may have kept the soul gem reveal from ever happening, which in turn would have kept Sayaka's mental state healthy enough to avoid descending into a witch prior to Walpurgis Night.

The key problem was ironically Kyoko, and her initial aggression against Sayaka. This put Homura in a bit of a bind where she probably felt that she needed to choose between the two (attempting to negotiate a true truce between Kyoko and Sayaka may have seen pointless to Homura prior to Episode 7).

As is, I think that Homura basically chose Kyoko over Sayaka, which ultimately resulted in her having neither to help her.
I am not disagreeing with you in general, im ust pointing out that homura did warn mam about charlotte and told her to let her handle it.The only case that can be made was that she didnt aggresily try to stop mami. Although given what she been thought about since attempting to kill kyuube, it wouldnt have helped ether.

I think the original stategic error she made was in trying to kill kyuube. But heck, most of us want to do that.
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Old 2011-03-09, 05:05   Link #236
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It would be interesting to find out if she knew Kyubei had more than one body prior to her first successful attempt at killing him.
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Old 2011-03-10, 05:24   Link #237
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Everyone forgot that no matter how many times you kill kyubey he will just revive?
He died once already in the show.
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Old 2011-03-10, 15:44   Link #238
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Hm, seems like my early theory wasn't that far off.
Spoiler for ep 10:

On the other hand it also reinforces the theory about the MG's special abilitites reflect both their personality and the wish they made.
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Old 2011-03-10, 20:18   Link #239
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Though from a tech sense. She herself doesn't time jump but rather sends her consciousness back in time? Otherwise should would have run into herself.

Her magic doesn't just seem time based but space/time based. Seeing as how she can store a seemingly unlimited amount of weapons in her watch.

Also, does anyone feel a bit freaked out that a little girl made a pipe bomb?
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Old 2011-03-10, 20:22   Link #240
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Also, does anyone feel a bit freaked out that a little girl made a pipe bomb?
I made pipe bombs since I was 4, and I'm not even a girl
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