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View Poll Results: To Aru Majutsu no Index II - Episode 21 Rating
Perfect 10 46 49.46%
9 out of 10 : Excellent 23 24.73%
8 out of 10 : Very Good 16 17.20%
7 out of 10 : Good 5 5.38%
6 out of 10 : Average 1 1.08%
5 out of 10 : Below Average 1 1.08%
4 out of 10 : Poor 0 0%
3 out of 10 : Bad 0 0%
2 out of 10 : Very Bad 0 0%
1 out of 10 : Painful 1 1.08%
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Old 2011-03-07, 17:53   Link #121
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Well then we have to say the whole series is smut because the existence of an AIM field itself is magical in essence. It's a 'magical' shroud that let's ESPers break the laws of physics to certain degrees, which to me is the exact same as magic. If this weren't the case then nothing about the show would be believable.
Yeah, somewhat the espers powers depends on rules from science as a basis to somecertain degree, of course, there is only few notable exceptions in the series to show these laws are no longer aplicable, mind Accelerator.

Magic is out of the rules/laws if the world so the only thing that can be related is the form which the magicians gives to them.
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Old 2011-03-07, 17:53   Link #122
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Just like Star Trek fans, we merely accept their fictional proposals and enjoy the series for its surface value...
Hm, as a trekker, I think I have to step in and say that warp drive is theoretically possible. Take a look at Alcubierre's proposal for example.
Of course, as of now, with our current technology/knowledge it's practically "impossible" to build something like that... but, theory says it is possible.

Just like time travel, going by the principle: "what is not denied is allowed"
neither Einstein's relativity nor quantum mechanics deny the possibility, then we have to conclude time travel is actually "possible", in theory at least.

btw, I believe everyone who watches Index already knows that: entertainment >>> science. So...

PS: anyways, GJ! your work is very much appreciated.
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Old 2011-03-07, 18:21   Link #123
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To Cantelope

A list of things achieved by Astral in Hand:

1. Russia is still in daytime a second before, now it is night all fo sudden. And no damage was done to the surface of the Earth while doing this.
2. All the stars that should be shining int he sky, now all suddenly gone.
3. It is also stated it can stop planet rotation immediatly

Oh, and if you worry this'll end up like Bleach. Don't worry, there are at least 3 other characters in the same league as his, and they are not on his side. So, no, it won't become the situation that everyone will disappear with only the main and the villian. If anything, the fight against the said Archangel and a certain walking reality cheat code that summoned her has told us the cast in this show prefer to use the pwoer of team work in defeating overpowerd hax.
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Old 2011-03-07, 18:47   Link #124
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Nothing about russia please, we're not quite there yet...

I dont know where the Bleach comparison comes from, but surely after two seasons anyone can tell that the fighting formula in toaru is completely different than those of Bleach.
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Old 2011-03-07, 18:51   Link #125
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I've just been saying that if some person like Accelerator actually existed, with his magical ability to manipulate vectors, and he pulled this episode 21 stunt, he would completely destroy an entire continent, not just knock a couple of buildings over.
I had the same insane problem when I read the novel when Accelerator put that crazy stunt of borrowing the gravity's power to launch the building because it has a crazy power to shatter the planet. But before that............. Accelerator can pretty much split the worlds apart already if he wanted to. That's how powerful he is.

And the crazy thing about the building is the moment that crazy energy is put on it. It should be disintegrate because of to much energy intake. And I can't understand the explanation in the magazine too.

But aside from the crazy blast the building thing. I can understand on the windowless building.

The windowless building is in another dimension. You can see it but the same time you can't touch it. So the full force attack of accelerator just think of it that it hits nothing or it hits a space that eats up anything. More like he throws it into the space. An empty space or maybe my explanation might be wrong too. But the windowless building can't be touch or hit by an attack because it's not their to begin with.
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Old 2011-03-07, 19:13   Link #126
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Yeah, somewhat the espers powers depends on rules from science as a basis to somecertain degree, of course, there is only few notable exceptions in the series to show these laws are no longer aplicable, mind Accelerator.

Magic is out of the rules/laws if the world so the only thing that can be related is the form which the magicians gives to them.
I understand what you mean, but if you think about it I think you'd agree with me that the ESPer powers displayed so far in the show have about as much to do with actual science as the magic side does (lol).

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Hm, as a trekker, I think I have to step in and say that warp drive is theoretically possible. Take a look at Alcubierre's proposal for example.
Of course, as of now, with our current technology/knowledge it's practically "impossible" to build something like that... but, theory says it is possible.

Just like time travel, going by the principle: "what is not denied is allowed"
neither Einstein's relativity nor quantum mechanics deny the possibility, then we have to conclude time travel is actually "possible", in theory at least.

btw, I believe everyone who watches Index already knows that: entertainment >>> science. So...

PS: anyways, GJ! your work is very much appreciated.
I'm fully aware of very talented physicist fans working out ways to make Star Trek physics possible, several of my professors included, but we all agree that there's just no fixing it when the captain commands: "Cut power to all engines" and then the space ship suddenly stops ROFL.

I'm of the opinion that a good show is at least 90% realistic, and 10% magic. Tastes vary of course. Anyways, glad you enjoyed it; number crunching for these types of ridiculous fictional scenarios are always fun.

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I had the same insane problem when I read the novel when Accelerator put that crazy stunt of borrowing the gravity's power to launch the building because it has a crazy power to shatter the planet. But before that............. Accelerator can pretty much split the worlds apart already if he wanted to. That's how powerful he is.

And the crazy thing about the building is the moment that crazy energy is put on it. It should be disintegrate because of to much energy intake. And I can't understand the explanation in the magazine too.

But aside from the crazy blast the building thing. I can understand on the windowless building.

The windowless building is in another dimension. You can see it but the same time you can't touch it. So the full force attack of accelerator just think of it that it hits nothing or it hits a space that eats up anything. More like he throws it into the space. An empty space or maybe my explanation might be wrong too. But the windowless building can't be touch or hit by an attack because it's not their to begin with.
The basic gist of how it would go down is that a portion of the angular momentum of Earth would be transferred into the momentum of the slab/building. I calculated a few of the consequences of this already in my post, but since it's purely fictional I decided to leave out many things, such as conservation of momentum and how many people around the world would die due to an instantaneous change in momentum (hugely destructive tidal activity, earthquakes of unheard magnitudes, stronger than hurricane force winds, etc. etc.). I'm not sure what the magazine article explains, but this is what I speculate would actually happen.

In any case, I'd also pick a bone with the whole 11th dimension junk that the series loves to throw around, but my string theory isn't strong enough to pick it apart in the specifics. Nonetheless, as far as what little reading I've done on the subject I'm certain that dimensions do not work in the manner that everyone believes it does though (as if each dimension is a different plane of existence).

In any case I'm just pondering what I'd personally do with the energy of 20.141 billion nuclear bombs, hmmm...not pay electric bills for the rest of Earth's lifespan?
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Old 2011-03-07, 19:42   Link #127
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Wow I think Accelerator has been my favorite character over the past few episodes. This arc is truly that of epicness.
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Old 2011-03-07, 23:00   Link #128
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I'm aware of this, but I'm a firm supporter of appropriate power scaling in a series (otherwise we end up with crap like Bleach where there's only two people, Ichigo and the main villain, and then everyone else is a million power levels behind).
well, this series was kinda like that from the beginning though...i mean, just in volume 1 we get to see Index(and Kaori), then Accelerator in volume 3, then MISHA(also knows as the freaking Archangel Gabriel) and at the same time we got actual confirmation of the existence of GODin volume 4, and then Aleister Crowley and Aiwass and then God's Right Seat...


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Saying that Aleister Crowley is some sort of existence that is immune to the immense forces that a black hole exerts on things is exactly synonymous to saying that he's a being that is more majestic and powerful than the things that hold entire galaxies together. Am I the only one who thinks it's ridiculous for an author to expect me to accept that a single person is so significant, our 100,000 light year wide galaxy revolves around a single upside-down man that's 1/20,000,000,000,000,000th the size of a single light year? It's about believable scaling, scaling damnit! Is that too much to ask for?!
The universe in toaruverse was created by God. Other dimensions, with completely different laws exist. Magicians basically show the laws of physics the middle finger everytime they use magic. So we know for sure that magic/powers >>>> the existing laws of physics

so no, it's not at all ridiculous for someone with adequate power to be far above black holes

NOTE: i'm not actually saying that Aleister is that powerful, since we haven't seen him do something like that yet, i am merely using him to make a point

this series isn't science fiction, it's urban fantasy, and the fantasy part, especially the religious theology, plays the biggest role...
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Old 2011-03-07, 23:34   Link #129
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this series isn't science fiction, it's urban fantasy, and the fantasy part, especially the religious theology, plays the biggest role...
Makes sense, I think I've realized this now. However, I still feel righteously irked when there are ridiculous references to physics that are no where near realistic yet try to appear to be so.
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However, I still feel righteously irked when there are ridiculous references to physics that are no where near realistic yet try to appear to be so.
I bet you say that to all the girls
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Old 2011-03-08, 01:13   Link #131
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I had the same insane problem when I read the novel when Accelerator put that crazy stunt of borrowing the gravity's power to launch the building because it has a crazy power to shatter the planet. But before that............. Accelerator can pretty much split the worlds apart already if he wanted to. That's how powerful he is.

And the crazy thing about the building is the moment that crazy energy is put on it. It should be disintegrate because of to much energy intake. And I can't understand the explanation in the magazine too.

But aside from the crazy blast the building thing. I can understand on the windowless building.

The windowless building is in another dimension. You can see it but the same time you can't touch it. So the full force attack of accelerator just think of it that it hits nothing or it hits a space that eats up anything. More like he throws it into the space. An empty space or maybe my explanation might be wrong too. But the windowless building can't be touch or hit by an attack because it's not their to begin with.
For the record, when Accel chucked the building at Aleister's place a huge chunk of the 7th district was destroyed along the path where the building flew at Aleister's base... it just didn't show in the anime >.>

And on the topic of Aleister messing with the laws of the universe... Later events show him being able to do just that, I'll keep it vague enough to not get hammered by the mods. Go over to the novel thread and ask for details there if interested.
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Old 2011-03-08, 07:16   Link #132
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For Aleister, he probably sports a few 1HKO functions besides Fight, Magic, Item, etc
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For Aleister, he probably sports a few 1HKO functions besides Fight, Magic, Item, etc
He has a "Just as planned!" function
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Old 2011-03-08, 10:50   Link #134
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it's Vengeance..

Misaka have an entire series^^
Dont misunderstand

i meant in To aru majutsu, not To aru kagaku
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Old 2011-03-09, 05:10   Link #135
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Dont misunderstand

i meant in To aru majutsu, not To aru kagaku
what sephiroth mean is that misaka already has her own anime, so her getting little screentime in Index doesn't matter (right, Sephiroth? )
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Old 2011-03-09, 15:04   Link #136
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Dont misunderstand

i meant in To aru majutsu, not To aru kagaku
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what sephiroth mean is that misaka already has her own anime, so her getting little screentime in Index doesn't matter (right, Sephiroth? )
Yesssss^^

It's obviously a Joke.

I mean that J.C. staff punish Misaka becouse she oblige the author to make a personal series.

Something like

Misaka: Make me a persona series or....biribiribiribiribiri...(railgun)
Staff: FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

Then that's the punishment...minor parts in majutsu no index XD
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Yesssss^^

It's obviously a Joke.

I mean that J.C. staff punish Misaka becouse she oblige the author to make a personal series.

Something like

Misaka: Make me a persona series or....biribiribiribiribiri...(railgun)
Staff: FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

Then that's the punishment...minor parts in majutsu no index XD
Ill apologize for not getting your point

but i do not doubt many of us still wants her to have more screen time in TAMNI .
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Old 2011-03-10, 04:56   Link #138
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she will have MUCH LESS screen time next season...
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Old 2011-03-10, 05:17   Link #139
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They could try railgun season 2 or OVA

while Touma goes on with his illusion killing episodes in next season for Index.
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Old 2011-03-10, 06:52   Link #140
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she will have MUCH LESS screen time next season...
lol if you do a head count, you'll find that she appears as often as she's has always has been, you doomsayers always so dramatic.

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