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Old 2011-03-14, 08:27   Link #8761
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really? i can access it perfectly from camp!
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Old 2011-03-14, 08:42   Link #8762
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Old 2011-03-14, 09:07   Link #8763
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Old 2011-03-14, 11:21   Link #8764
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Doubt it, if that little excerpt is to be believed, Index should be in depression mode similiar to Mikoto.
The description on Mikoto was about indiference while the one on Index was a lack of life energy as if it was drained or something like that.
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Old 2011-03-14, 15:55   Link #8765
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Hmm, thinking about it, Accel saw Index, right? Why is she in Academy City, when she was in England before?
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Old 2011-03-14, 16:43   Link #8766
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The description on Mikoto was about indiference while the one on Index was a lack of life energy as if it was drained or something like that.
So basically Index is depressed while Mikoto is still in shock. Somehow disappointing, I would have expected them to keep looking for him at least till his death was confirmed.
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Old 2011-03-14, 16:48   Link #8767
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So basically Index is depressed while Mikoto is still in shock. Somehow disappointing, I would have expected them to keep looking for him at least till his death was confirmed.
Index I figure she'll be locked up in Necessarius, I don't see Laura letting her go anything soon without an agenda.

Mikoto still have all her friends and a life to think about, it's hard to throw away everything and go on a random hunt.
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Old 2011-03-14, 17:41   Link #8768
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Don't worry, for each self righteous jerk that doesn't even understand it may be many years before he can see a formal translation, there are several of us who appreciate your efforts to share this masterpiece (even if we rarely speak up.)

So basically Index is depressed while Mikoto is still in shock. Somehow disappointing, I would have expected them to keep looking for him at least till his death was confirmed.
Well when someone crashes in a giant ship into the freezing ocean and it's crushed, you don't really think the dudes alive.


Anyway I was looking up some animal symbols for the dragon(touma) and the hawk(fiamma) it turns out fiammas hawk arm also represents evil. I was thinking it was a phoenix. But a phoenix represents Jesus. Sooo it's possible angels aren't so nice as people think of them.
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Old 2011-03-14, 17:48   Link #8769
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Well when someone crashes in a giant ship into the freezing ocean and it's crushed, you don't really think the dudes alive.


Anyway I was looking up some animal symbols for the dragon(touma) and the hawk(fiamma) it turns out fiammas hawk arm also represents evil. I was thinking it was a phoenix. But a phoenix represents Jesus. Sooo it's possible angels aren't so nice as people think of them.
I... Wouldn't put too much faith into animal symbols. Especially seeming how dolphins are considered a 'bright, bubbly, and pure person' when dolphins are much closer to humankind then we may think and will rape each other.

Besides, if we were to apply animal symbols, what kind of symbols would we use? The eastern kind, or the western kind- it varies from country to country.
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Old 2011-03-14, 18:31   Link #8770
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I... Wouldn't put too much faith into animal symbols. Especially seeming how dolphins are considered a 'bright, bubbly, and pure person' when dolphins are much closer to humankind then we may think and will rape each other.

Besides, if we were to apply animal symbols, what kind of symbols would we use? The eastern kind, or the western kind- it varies from country to country.
The christian symbolism of the hawk and dragon
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Old 2011-03-14, 19:28   Link #8771
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Index I figure she'll be locked up in Necessarius, I don't see Laura letting her go anything soon without an agenda.

Mikoto still have all her friends and a life to think about, it's hard to throw away everything and go on a random hunt.
You're right about Index, no way she can be let run free so easily. There's most likely a replace "escort" for her at Academy City in Touma's place (whatever the hell she's doing at the Academy.)

As for Mikoto... what I'm saying is that without knowing Touma is dead, or at least assuming so, she wouldn't go back to that life and friends... do you have any idea of the terror of imagining a loved one wandering around in an ice death trap? even doing a random hunt feels better than just waiting.

So clearing it a bit, what I meant is that I'm disappointed they (or at least Mikoto) assumed him dead... then again, Index would have known via Styl that Touma still was at the Star of Bethlehem...

... now that I think about it, I don't know how much time passed between then and the new novel... anyone would eventually give up and assume the worst...

...Bah, whatever, guess I simply expected more drama.
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Old 2011-03-14, 19:38   Link #8772
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You're right about Index, no way she can be let run free so easily. There's most likely a replace "escort" for her at Academy City in Touma's place (whatever the hell she's doing at the Academy.)

As for Mikoto... what I'm saying is that without knowing Touma is dead, or at least assuming so, she wouldn't go back to that life and friends... do you have any idea of the terror of imagining a loved one wandering around in an ice death trap? even doing a random hunt feels better than just waiting.

So clearing it a bit, what I meant is that I'm disappointed they (or at least Mikoto) assumed him dead... then again, Index would have known via Styl that Touma still was at the Star of Bethlehem...

... now that I think about it, I don't know how much time passed between then and the new novel... anyone would eventually give up and assume the worst...

...Bah, whatever, guess I simply expected more drama.

Well it's not like Touma was kidnapped or lost in the Mountains, where would you even begin to look in the vast ocean? If not even the big organizations with their resources and manpower could find him, realistically speaking there's not alot that one girl could do.

But don't worry, there's no shortage of drama to milk from this scenario
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Old 2011-03-14, 19:47   Link #8773
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Well it's not like Touma was kidnapped or lost in the Mountains, where would you even begin to look in the vast ocean? If not even the big organizations with their resources and manpower could find him, realistically speaking there's not alot that one girl could do.

But don't worry, there's no shortage of drama to milk from this scenario
Oh, that's good to hear.

Anyway... maybe not one girl... but what about nearly 10000?
Jk, it's not like Aleister would allow his carefully placed network to condensate at Russia.

Btw... Js06 finished SS2
Here's the Last Chapter of SS2
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Old 2011-03-14, 19:51   Link #8774
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Oh, that's good to hear.
It's not like I'm the Author.

But if I were I could tell you there's still potential to produce drama out of this, and God knows we need more drama for Touma's side of the story.

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Anyway... maybe not one girl... but what about nearly 10000?
Jk, it's not like Aleister would allow his carefully placed network to condensate at Russia.
Again, even if you have the manpower, you'll still need the reasources.

Boats and salvaging rescue equipment aren't cheap.
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Old 2011-03-14, 19:53   Link #8775
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Baka tsuki finished up Volume SS2 by posting the chapter 22 and the afterword.
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Old 2011-03-14, 20:12   Link #8776
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Oh, I thought you were talking about something from the new novel...
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Again, even if you have the manpower, you'll still need the reasources.

Boats and salvaging rescue equipment aren't cheap.
Those girls are quite resourceful, I wouldn't put it past them improvising as necessary... But it's rather pointless speculating further, since seems it has been revealed already who was it that reached him.

... Changing the subject, I'm new on the forum so dunno if it has been talked about before, but could the "new testament" have anything to do with that other "testament" used on the Misakas?
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Old 2011-03-14, 20:19   Link #8777
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Oh, I thought you were talking about something from the new novel...

Those girls are quite resourceful, I wouldn't put it past them improvising as necessary... But it's rather pointless speculating further, since seems it has been revealed already who was it that reached him.

... Changing the subject, I'm new on the forum so dunno if it has been talked about before, but could the "new testament" have anything to do with that other "testament" used on the Misakas?
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well anyway New Testament might mean that but so far its thought as A new start like in the Bible, u know the Old Testament and New testament.
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Old 2011-03-14, 20:28   Link #8778
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The christian symbolism of the hawk and dragon
Well what if the symbolism doesn't have to do with Christianity? Alistair told Fiamma that he used the outdated Osiris methods, while Alistair used Horus. What if this has to do with Egyptian symbolism, because Horus' symbol was also a hawk, and a hawk does represent evil (after all Alistair is called the most evil magician). There is also the legend of when Horus attempted to overthrow god, and the Egyptians were known as a highly scientific empire back then, much like Academy City might seem to be. As for the dragon, it is was common for dragons to be heavenly beings, gods in some cultures.
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Old 2011-03-14, 20:33   Link #8779
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Much thanks goes to everyone who had worked on this volume. You guys are really awesome.

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It was a nice volume overall, but I thought that the whole random events that relate to the main incident made it lose focus at times. I did like the chapter when the Sisters started growing individual interests and persona's though.
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BUT, it would be interesting to have Ollerus do a quick exchange with Aleister in one of those 'risk my life to buy more time' scenarios. Both of them uses mysterious unexplain powers.
Ollerus vs Aleister would be interesting to see, though considering that since they are among the most hax characters in the series I doubt we'll see them fight even if they did clash

By the way, on the nature of Ollerus power, I got a different impression than I initially had. It seems that the unusual thing about is that the way he's using the spell was in a way it's not supposed to be used in to produce an effect that was undocumented before (so his power is really turning defensive spells in to offensive ones?) so instead of being unexplainable phenomena, it's really the way he's using the power thats supposed to be unexplained.

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Well what if the symbolism doesn't have to do with Christianity? Alistair told Fiamma that he used the outdated Osiris methods, while Alistair used Horus. What if this has to do with Egyptian symbolism, because Horus' symbol was also a hawk, and a hawk does represent evil (after all Alistair is called the most evil magician). There is also the legend of when Horus attempted to overthrow god, and the Egyptians were known as a highly scientific empire back then, much like Academy City might seem to be. As for the dragon, it is was common for dragons to be heavenly beings, gods in some cultures.
I was thinking that. Actually the thing about horus you said helps. It says the hawk was evil cuz it killed birds like itself. So maybe Micheal was really the traitor and Satan was framed.

Micheal was jealous that Satan was gods favorite even though Micheal was made first.
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