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Old 2011-03-24, 18:46   Link #1281
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Makes them less 'implacable force' and more 'someone shut these guys up, for the love of god'.
Hope that, at least, Tsuzuki is building up things until the sweet moment when we gotta see these guys receiving their well deserved punishment. It work wonder with Quattro, i don't mind repeating xD.

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Old 2011-03-24, 19:14   Link #1282
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but having the heroes shoot to kill would break character, wouldn't it?
If anything it would show how serious the situation is that would require them to do something they normally wouldn't to put a stop to things.

See Final Crisis. Darkseid was such a threat that Batman had no choice but to shoot him with a gun. That's how real shit was.
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Old 2011-03-24, 19:20   Link #1283
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See Final Crisis. Darkseid was such a threat that Batman had no choice but to shoot him with a gun. That's how real shit was.
Wonder if the Nanohaverse will grow big enough to consider RETCONS there's so much things that need to be corrected.
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Old 2011-03-24, 19:25   Link #1284
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Nah, seeing as how a single writer is in charge of anything, it's less likely the Nanohaverse will become as big a clusterfuck as the DC or Marvel universes.
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Old 2011-03-24, 19:36   Link #1285
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A lot of people were also disappointed in Batman for using a gun, since that's a trait that's really stuck ever since it was implemented, it's worth pointing out. Not that anyone in the Nanohaverse has a particular dislike of guns, but it's still a bit unpleasant, mostly because it's just Tsuzuki liking robots that led to them using these weapons.

Besides, that's giving the Huckebeins a bit TOO much credit. At that point Darkseid was causing the entire universe to die by existing, I believe. Poisoning a world or too doesn't really match up.
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Old 2011-03-24, 19:39   Link #1286
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On the other side, it will be cool to see different spin-offs based on exclusive set of characters.

The Uncanny Wolkenritter, N-Factor(Numbers), TSAB(JLA), Signum ORIGINS, Fate/Teana World's Finest, The Amazing Chrono, The Adventures of Nanoha, etc, etc...
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Old 2011-03-24, 19:42   Link #1287
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mostly because it's just Tsuzuki liking robots that led to them using these weapons.
You can't really make such a claim. Robots are more about the big beams, so taking away those beams is counter productive to that.

It's just him taking the AMF concept from StrikerS to its logical extreme. Instead of weakening magic, it out right cancels it. Nothing wrong with that concept in itself, as magic in the Nanohaverse is not an omnipotent power, but an alternate means of energy. So when faced with something that completely negates magic, a new method of offense was needed, hense all the new toys.
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Old 2011-03-24, 19:44   Link #1288
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Should have said something when everyone was making those claims, then.

Maybe he just likes designing new weapons and didn't want to add any new characters to use them. He probably should have used the same effort on making the Huckebein's weapons a bit more unique: the AEC Weapons definitely outshine them in design.
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Old 2011-03-24, 19:48   Link #1289
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Again, the problem with using new characters is that fans would cause a fuss. Hell, that's what they did when Thoma, Isis, and Lily were announced.
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Old 2011-03-24, 19:50   Link #1290
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So tell them to shove it. Like I said, we have a thread with more than 500 pages detailing merchandise from this series. You can afford to take a chance, at least - Vivid's popular, and it barely has Nanoha and Fate in it at all.
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Old 2011-03-24, 19:55   Link #1291
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Creator can't exactly tell their fans to shove it. It's bad for business.

Unless you're Tomino or Anno, I guess.

Anyways, come to think of it the main complaint was "HOW DARE THEY HAVE A MALE MAIN CHARACTER IN MY WONDERFUL YURI PARADISE!" so I guess Vivid is fine due to it's lack of penises.
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Old 2011-03-24, 19:55   Link #1292
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Again, the problem with using new characters is that fans would cause a fuss. Hell, that's what they did when Thoma, Isis, and Lily were announced.
The point is, there are existing characters much better suited to do the job. It's beyond dumb to put magic specialists to deal with foes that can right out cancel magic. The TSAB already have a handfull of Combat Cyborgs under their ranks, who are much better prepared to face these kind of threats and are much better candidates for the new toys. Their IS are non-magic abilties with very usefull effects and if that wasnt enugh they can work on improve them, geez they already did it with Subaru, the secret behind the Sword Breaker's effectiveness is that is powered by Subaru's own IS "Oscillating Breaker/Vibration Shatter". The Aces and the Wolkenritter have nothing to do here.
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Old 2011-03-24, 20:09   Link #1293
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I meant it metaphorically. Just don't do listen to them.

If you don't have Nanoha in the series for a little while, it'll make them buy stuff featuring her all the more when it does come up.
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so I guess Vivid is fine due to it's lack of penises.
Cries of "Useless characters or too many characters" make that statement wrong

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I meant it metaphorically. Just don't do listen to them.

If you don't have Nanoha in the series for a little while, it'll make them buy stuff featuring her all the more when it does come up.
Or quit the franchise altogether. Fans are stupid like that.
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Old 2011-03-24, 21:13   Link #1295
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If they like Nanoha and the old characters that much, no way they'd boycott say, posters and such featuring them. I'm not one of those fans, but Seven Arcs does cater to the more deviant crowd, and they're pretty good at it.
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People have dropped series and such for much less. The Kannagi incident comes to mind.
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Old 2011-03-24, 21:24   Link #1297
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I tend to like series that have problems. A good quality series (like say Shangri La) leaves me little to write for.
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Old 2011-03-24, 21:28   Link #1298
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but Seven Arcs does cater to the more deviant crowd, and they're pretty good at it.
Since when was oggling women deviant? It's a perfectly normal function of a healthy sex drive!

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I tend to like series that have problems. A good quality series (like say Shangri La) leaves me little to write for.
To this day the only series I have been unable to find any problems with is Gunbuster.
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Old 2011-03-24, 21:30   Link #1299
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When some of them have underage girls on them, it gets a little sketchy.

And I'm not familiar with Kannagi, but what I basically meant was that dropping the manga doesn't necessarily mean they'd drop things they still like about the series. Like Fate's ass.
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Depends on how you look at it, I suppose. Some people think that as soon as a girl has her period it means she's viable for the reproductive process.

With Kannagi, it was revealed that 'everyone's waifu' Nagi had a boyfriend in the past. People jumped to conclusions and thought that meant she wasn't a virgin. Shit storm ensued. So in that case they did drop the thing they liked about the series. Nagi went from pure lovable waifu to a horrible slut who can't keep her legs closed.

Yes, it is incredibly fucking stupid.

... Hakua is superior anyways.
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