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Old 2011-04-16, 13:11   Link #1101
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That's terrible advice and you should be ashamed of yourself.
Eh really? I thought it was quite an interesting quote I got from [House M.D], well except the video games part- that was original.

But I meant what I've said; I was able to learn more stuff watching Discovery and History channel than I'd cared to learn about from books. And sometimes other non-educational focus shows like CSI, Numbers, Burn Notice, House, Fringe, White Collar etc

This would hold true for Aria as well; Like every healthy little boy, I like to see guns in action,and for once there's an anime to my liking that would involve guns.. lots of guns. With any luck my knowledge of the subject would increase ten folds by the end of this series
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Old 2011-04-16, 13:13   Link #1102
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That's terrible advice and you should be ashamed of yourself.
He means lighten up.......
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Old 2011-04-16, 13:14   Link #1103
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He means lighten up.......
Erm... Yeah *cough* That too... I guess...
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Old 2011-04-16, 13:14   Link #1104
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So what happens when one abnormal teenager with lots and lots of guns decides they wants to do something...not quite right...

As if that can't possible happen.
If other abnormal teenager do something bad then another abnormal teenager will stop him/her. It's not like you will send a normal to go against an abnormal. Specially if all abnormal are isolated into a place for abnormal.
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Old 2011-04-16, 13:15   Link #1105
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The problem isn't whether they can be stopped. The problem is how much damage they can do before they're stopped.
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Old 2011-04-16, 13:16   Link #1106
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So what happens when one abnormal teenager with lots and lots of guns decides they wants to do something...not quite right...

As if that can't possibly happen.
So what happens if one insane guy makes it past the army entrance test and decides they want to do something...not quite right...

In the same way, Butei High has an entrance exam to test people. There might still be the above cases, but it has the exact same chance of happening to someone in the army.

Sure, the army has much more discipline, but if you're going to take your gun out and start shooting random people you either have a grudge or are insane, and no amount of discipline is going to stop you from that.

Any more things you'd like an explanation for?
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Old 2011-04-16, 13:20   Link #1107
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You know what people think of most light novels, right? Basically, you have an unskilled, unimaginative author (who'd never get published anywhere else and knows it) throwing a bunch of otaku tropes into a blender and then dressing it up with some pretty pictures. The contents may be as appetizing as vomit to most onlookers, but a select group of people will happily eat it anyway.
Clearly from someone who has never bothered to read LN and just base his/her judgement on few of the title that get into anime form. Please don't base LN only on those that has been animated. The "heavier" light novel doesn't get animated for obvious reason, the story is heavy and not directed to younger audience. Sure, the character maybe a little cliche, but what fiction work doesn't have cliche character? They become cliche because the prototype works.

Some LN is directed to younger reader, like this one and IS, but some are directed at older audience. Please don't generalize and bash a media base on only your little knowledge of it.
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Old 2011-04-16, 13:20   Link #1108
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You know what people think of most light novels, right? Basically, you have an unskilled, unimaginative author (who'd never get published anywhere else and knows it) throwing a bunch of otaku tropes into a blender and then dressing it up with some pretty pictures.
Oh really now? Did you take a poll on what every person in Japan thinks of light novels to come to this astounding conclusion?

Gimme a break.
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Old 2011-04-16, 13:22   Link #1109
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...............What.........3 years without an anime adaptation.....and it's doing relatively well before this.

Clearly you have no idea about the LN industry...

If anything, it's anime studios looking for something new to turn into shows that go to the LN publishers. Not the other way round.
The negotiation process on most anime projects typically begins 1.5 to 2 years before broadcast (i.e. directors for Hourou Musuko and Yumekui Merry were lined up in late 2008 and early 2009, respectively). Nowadays, that's often shortly after a title has started being published.

If you've read on the relationship between the anime industry and light novel publishers, anime producers are actually asking the latter to produce content for them from the getgo. They've burned through so many of the popular sources that they can no longer afford to wait and evaluate. It's a reciprocal relationship in which publishers provide something that's fan friendly and easily adaptable, while the anime producers provide shows that advertise those sources a couple years down the road.
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Old 2011-04-16, 13:23   Link #1110
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...Apparently, most people don't think LNs are a pile of vomit. Seeing as this is a anime-dedicated forum and I assume you're talking about the target audience that would probably frequent this site Oo
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Old 2011-04-16, 13:23   Link #1111
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So what happens if one insane guy makes it past the army entrance test and decides they want to do something...not quite right...

In the same way, Butei High has an entrance exam to test people. There might still be the above cases, but it has the exact same chance of happening to someone in the army.

Sure, the army has much more discipline, but if you're going to take your gun out and start shooting random people you either have a grudge or are insane, and no amount of discipline is going to stop you from that.
Does it bollocks. There are a hell of a lot more hormonal teenagers in an Academy for teenagers than there are psychos and extremists in an army. And I'm talking about crime in general. Not just randomly going out shooting people.
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Old 2011-04-16, 13:24   Link #1112
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The problem isn't whether they can be stopped. The problem is how much damage they can do before they're stopped.
Well.... they are enrolled in a school where it's normal to have guns so they can be easily stopped if they go hay wire in the middle of it or just insane person that targets the head instead of the body.

If a butei goes wild in public where citizens are. They are more like terrorist and not butei anymore.
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Old 2011-04-16, 13:24   Link #1113
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Does it bollocks. I'm talking about crime in general. Not just randomly going out shooting people.
This is what you said.

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So what happens when one abnormal teenager with lots and lots of guns decides they wants to do something...not quite right...
The only other crimes where guns are used would be assault, theft, blah, blah, blah. Which also need some motivation to do, unless you're insane.

Once again, the entrance exam should screen out these kinds of people.

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The negotiation process on most anime projects typically begins 1.5 to 2 years before broadcast (i.e. directors for Hourou Musuko and Yumekui Merry were lined up in late 2008 and early 2009, respectively). Nowadays, that's often shortly after a title has started being published.

If you've read on the relationship between the anime industry and light novel publishers, anime producers are actually asking the latter to produce content for them from the getgo. They've burned through so many of the popular sources that they can no longer afford to wait and evaluate. It's a reciprocal relationship in which publishers provide something that's fan friendly and easily adaptable, while the anime producers provide shows that advertise those sources a couple years down the road.
This is a much more accurate representation than what you said about vomit, earlier. A symbiotic relationship with LNs having to be churned out to create material for anime is the same as an extended narrative script being written for an upcoming movie. It's not bad or good because of what it is, it's bad or good because of the author.
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Old 2011-04-16, 13:29   Link #1114
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Once again, the entrance exam should screen out these kinds of people.
That must be one incredible entrance exam.
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Old 2011-04-16, 13:29   Link #1115
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That must be one incredible entrance exam.
The same as what you'd need to get into the army, I expect ^^

(You're grasping at straws now.)
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Old 2011-04-16, 13:38   Link #1116
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Personally I think this series is mediocre.

Now I'm not going to say all light novels are bad, Nisioisin for instance is pretty good. But this show does fit the "generic light novel" mold that's been coming out from JC Staff a lot lately. And of course just because you lampshade the clichéd elements of your show doesn't make it any less clichéd.

The only thing I will say is that the Gun Porn is pretty great. But Gun Porn can't make up for what is a pretty tired plot.

How many times have I seen a Rie Kugiyama voiced loli with a prickly attitude "enslave" some snarky guy before? How many times have I seen the setting of a "combat school", particularly in a LN adaptation?

The smooth animation and decent action sequences are wasted on this.
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Old 2011-04-16, 13:39   Link #1117
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The same as what you'd need to get into the army, I expect ^^

(You're grasping at straws now.)
Like I said there are a hell of a lot more hormonal teenagers in an Academy for teenagers than there are psychos and extremists in an army. And considering we've just seen a titular character effortlessly illustrate why guns should never be given to children at the end of the very first episode, I think it's pretty obvious why simply saying "because of an extrance exam" isn't good enough. First of all, whatever it is clearly hasn't worked and second of all an entrance exam and training can't possibly filter out all the teenagers who are irresponsible with guns because then that would leave no one. On the other hand people in the army are mature adults who are far less likely to do something stupid with a gun.
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Old 2011-04-16, 13:43   Link #1118
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Like I said there are a hell of a lot more hormonal teenagers in an Academy for teenagers than there are psychos and extremists in an army. And considering we've just seen a titular character effortlessly illustrate why guns should never be given to children, I think it's pretty obvious why simply saying "because of an extrance exam" isn't good enough. An entrance exam and training can't possibly filter out all the teenagers who are irresponsible with guns because then that would leave no one. On the other hand people in the army are mature adults who are far less likely to do something stupid with a gun.
You're right.

If I gave every teenager in the world a gun, they'd have a big shoot-out because of their hormones.

Irresponsibility with guns doesn't mean they kill people. Nobody except general populace cares that they're irresponsible with guns as long as they don't kill people.

And people can be trained to be responsible with guns. Why don't child soldiers take their guns and turn on their own? Social taboo, upbringing, socialization, many things act as hindrances to Butei blasting their guns at normal people. Even those abnormal people don't want to be hated.

Even if they are trigger happy.

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Now I'm not going to say all light novels are bad, Nisioisin for instance is pretty good. But this show does fit the "generic light novel" mold that's been coming out from JC Staff a lot lately. And of course just because you lampshade the clichéd elements of your show doesn't make it any less clichéd.
Cliche doesn't make something bad. I respect your opinion on thinking this is mediocre, but cliche is something that some people like, and some people hate.


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How many times have I seen a Rie Kugiyama voiced loli with a prickly attitude "enslave" some snarky guy before? How many times have I seen the setting of a "combat school", particularly in a LN adaptation?
Let's see...a few times for Kugyuu, except I don't see the characters as the same because just because they're lolis and tsundere doesn't mean that they act the same.

I like Kinji far better than any of the other heroes, too.

As for combat school in an LN adaptation. I'm going to guess, twice.
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Old 2011-04-16, 13:46   Link #1119
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You're right.

If I gave every teenager in the world a gun, they'd have a big shoot-out because of their hormones.

Irresponsibility with guns doesn't mean they kill people. Nobody except general populace cares that they're irresponsible with guns as long as they don't kill people.

And people can be trained to be responsible with guns. Why don't child soldiers take their guns and turn on their own? Social taboo, upbringing, socialization, many things act as hindrances to Butei blasting their guns at normal people. Even those abnormal people don't want to be hated.

Even if they are trigger happy.
That's just not good enough. No where near good enough. By your logic the whole world would be crime free but it isn't. People aren't as rational as you'd think, especially teenagers.
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Old 2011-04-16, 13:48   Link #1120
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The negotiation process on most anime projects typically begins 1.5 to 2 years before broadcast (i.e. directors for Hourou Musuko and Yumekui Merry were lined up in late 2008 and early 2009, respectively). Nowadays, that's often shortly after a title has started being published.

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No...the point is that Aria has been doing well those years without an anime. So your baseless claiming of it and LNs in general as vomit don't hold water. Hell I can say a good deal of the mainstream novels I've read, both Japanese and English are crap too. What has author quality got to do with a business model? There are even authors who drop out because they cannot exercise their artistic freedom. Does that sound like something someone in for a quick buck would do?
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