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View Poll Results: Code Geass R2 - Episode 25 Rating
Perfect 10 789 63.68%
9 out of 10 : Excellent 163 13.16%
8 out of 10 : Very Good 95 7.67%
7 out of 10 : Good 67 5.41%
6 out of 10 : Average 17 1.37%
5 out of 10 : Below Average 18 1.45%
4 out of 10 : Poor 7 0.56%
3 out of 10 : Bad 7 0.56%
2 out of 10 : Very Bad 4 0.32%
1 out of 10 : Painful 72 5.81%
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Old 2011-04-20, 01:45   Link #5721
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You forgot, "Unless Sunrise says otherwise."
Like it or not Sol, the fact remains that Sunrise is producing more Code Geass even after Okouchi stated in the Continue #42 interview that there wouldn't be anymore.
If you want to go into hypotheticals and what ifs, then sure, you can claim that there's some out of the blue 'possibility' that Sunrise will come out and say Lelouch is alive after all. That doesn't change the fact that what Sunrise already has said is, in official black and white, that Lelouch is dead. And as far as hypotheticals goes, there is no reason why Sunrise for some godforsaken pointless reason coming out and saying Lelouch is alive is any more likely than them sticking with the official line that has been in place and stayed consistent for, what? 2+ years since the ending now.

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He had no intensions of making a sequel, side-story, or anything else.
That's why he's not part of the new side-story, and probably why Taniguichi is the one doing the manga WITHOUT Okouchi.

Sunrise has plans for this franchise and they've already put a Char-style clone in the new Manga, what makes you so damn confident that they won't retcon Lelouch?
That quote only says that Okouchi had no plans at the time, not that it was his intention for Code Geass to have no side stories. The existence of a Lelouch clone (as well as a C.C. clone and others) was already known ages before the new manga even started, you can hardly use that as evidence for Sunrise starting to change their line on what Lelouch did with R2's ending. I don't need any 'confidence' over the future so much as to understand what is reality right now, and that reality is that Lelouch's death has been officially confirmed and reinforced/recognized ever since the end of the series, and there has been zero reason to even begin to doubt that things will stay that way.

Hell, look at the new Code Geass series. Set before Lelouch's death, and he isn't even a main character! Lelouch's story and part to play are well and truly over, and each of these expansions to the Code Geass universe are all about shedding light on other parts of the story.

Here's a question for you. Sunrise might not need Okouchi for more Code Geass, but don't you think they might need him for more Lelouch as a personality? After all, who else but the author could you really say understands Lelouch as a character. Any attempt to resurrect Lelouch without Okouchi will just end up a badly written fanfic, and that kind of halfassed act of rampant commercialism is something audiences do have the capacity to recognize. If you insist on reading that sort of motivation into any new material added to the Code Geass universe, why don't you just wait and watch for the performance of these current new sidestories then. It is clear that at least in their initial stages neither of them were started up with the intention of 'retconning' Lelouch's death in the main series. If both of them end up crashing in abject financial failure, and you think Sunrise really is serious about turning Code Geass into the sort of gigantic multimedia franchise of the kind that is Gundam, then that is when you can genuinely start hypothesizing about a real possibility for Lelouch's resurrection.
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Old 2011-04-20, 03:11   Link #5722
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Lost Cause, yeah I guess you're right about the ending, but I personally think that if they just told us he was dead or alive would've been a 100 times better for my head, lol. And thanks =)

Sol, I know that the writers said that Lelouch is dead. If you would go and look at the "dead" list that the writers posted, it doesn't say "Lelouch" is dead, no. It says "Reroush Vi Britannia". What the writers say in an interview can't really be taken seriously, because they're anime writers. All they have to do to bring him back is draw him again.

And I'm not rooting on him coming back in an upcoming part of Code Geass. Maybe they won't resurrect him and make a continuation. But that doesn't change all the hints that point toward him still being alive.

If you really want to take an "objective" point of view from what you see in the anime, then yes, he's dead. If you want to interpret all the things that were shown and explained during the show, then there are 5-6 events that hint to the fact that Lelouch is immortal. Otherwise, the whole story about Immortality with the "Two-eyed Geass" and taking the Code of someone else was utterly and completely pointless.

So basically what I'm trying to say here isn't whether Lelouch will be back in some future Code Geass, all I'm trying to get to is that maybe he is immortal, but everyone thinks he's dead, and that's why he can never come back or show his face again. He will spend immortality with C.C on some farm or whatever story you want to imagine him having afterwards.
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Old 2011-04-20, 10:17   Link #5723
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I'll continue this discussion in the general discussion thread.
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Old 2011-05-10, 09:55   Link #5724
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Spoiler for They should have remove the scene with the wagon driver:
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Old 2011-05-17, 22:18   Link #5725
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But, But! If they removed the wagon cart scene, then it wouldn't have made the fans go into such a surge with Lelouch being alive or not Leaving cliffhangers after such a good anime can always make such an impressive after effect.
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Old 2011-05-17, 22:24   Link #5726
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But, But! If they removed the wagon cart scene, then it wouldn't have made the fans go into such a surge with Lelouch being alive or not Leaving cliffhangers after such a good anime can always make such an impressive after effect.
And that was one hell of a surge

I was one of those fans, I'm proud to say. ^_^
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Old 2011-06-18, 08:44   Link #5727
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It was a great episode and it ended realistic.
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Old 2011-06-22, 14:50   Link #5728
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No, it was tantamount to this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ch1ti1VMzXU
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Old 2011-07-06, 06:47   Link #5729
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It was a great episode and it ended realistic.
I agree with you.
And episode 25 is a very very dramatic.I cried a lot.

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Old 2011-07-06, 07:52   Link #5730
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I agree with you.
And episode 25 is a very very dramatic.I cried a lot.

Spoiler for photoshop pic? or....:


is this photoshopped.... I thought Suzu's not allowed to take his mask off...
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Old 2011-07-06, 09:55   Link #5731
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I know.This picture is a significant.I therefore showed.(I to true sentence?)
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Old 2011-07-06, 17:47   Link #5732
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It's either fan or official artwork, it isn't meant to be taken literally.
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Old 2011-07-07, 02:32   Link #5733
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No, it was tantamount to this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ch1ti1VMzXU
I'll second that with this horrible ending that ranks right up there with the end of R2.

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Old 2011-07-07, 10:45   Link #5734
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And I'll admit that's amusing, even if I certainly don't agree with the underlying suggestion.

It's not the ending I would have originally wanted to see, no doubt, but I don't really mind.

All of the specific positives and negatives involved have already been discussed endless times, so I will simply state that it's far easier to appreciate from a romantic (idealistic and subjective) as opposed to rationalist (cynical and objective) perspective. In this post-modern age, both of those are equally valid ways to experience and enjoy fictional entertainment.
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Old 2011-07-09, 11:07   Link #5735
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Well, there is a easy way to settle it : what happened to lelouch's body ? If it's still in a grave, then he's dead without a doubt.
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Old 2011-07-09, 22:30   Link #5736
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It wasn't about whether or not Lelouch was dead at the end so much as it was about him getting the short end of the stick.
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Old 2011-07-09, 22:39   Link #5737
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It wasn't about whether or not Lelouch was dead at the end so much as it was about him getting the short end of the stick.
He didn't get the short end of the stick. He volunteered.
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He didn't get the short end of the stick. He volunteered.
I don't mean in that sense. I'm talking about getting a raw deal.
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Old 2011-07-10, 06:28   Link #5739
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Just random thoughts again...

He's dead where is his body?

3(2???) years ago I was one of the people who thought Lelouch was in here....
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why i think of it.... beoz of the episode when CC ask Lelouch how he'll deal with V.V.
Lelouch said..

"I will use 'that' method."

and becoz of this thing

Spoiler for poem...:


so I still think till this day that he is alive, I think he is just sleeping...

yeah I know about the interview and the R2 official guide statements but those things really doenst make sense to me...

and I know about CC monologue on R2 zero requiem, but people are just using deep literary phrases... you really never know...
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For me Lelouch is not a boy anymore..

considering CC's doubled meaning words...(if he really has code he'll die before using it???)

and Lelouch make it clear when he was with Charles in the world of C, that he'll choose reality (meaning more lies ahead)...


unless they make an anime about it an OVA... coz thats the only thing ...
that will clarify everything... I cant wait to see the side story....


Its better if Sunrise will do/show it rather than say it...

Coz by saying you can lie many times, but when you do(show) it theres no doubt about it...
They should show us definetly that he is dead...

I want a show not a say....

still my thoughts about if he is dead or alive 60-40..
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Old 2011-07-10, 09:48   Link #5740
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He's dead where is his body?

3(2???) years ago I was one of the people who thought Lelouch was in here....
Spoiler for pic:


why i think of it.... beoz of the episode when CC ask Lelouch how he'll deal with V.V.
Lelouch said..

"I will use 'that' method."

and becoz of this thing

Spoiler for poem...:


so I still think till this day that he is alive, I think he is just sleeping...

yeah I know about the interview and the R2 official guide statements but those things really doenst make sense to me...

and I know about CC monologue on R2 zero requiem, but people are just using deep literary phrases... you really never know...
Spoiler:

For me Lelouch is not a boy anymore..

considering CC's doubled meaning words...(if he really has code he'll die before using it???)

and Lelouch make it clear when he was with Charles in the world of C, that he'll choose reality (meaning more lies ahead)...


unless they make an anime about it an OVA... coz thats the only thing ...
that will clarify everything... I cant wait to see the side story....


Its better if Sunrise will do/show it rather than say it...

Coz by saying you can lie many times, but when you do(show) it theres no doubt about it...
They should show us definetly that he is dead...

I want a show not a say....

still my thoughts about if he is dead or alive 60-40..
Both of them-- serve only one answer. No.

Lelouch is still a boy.
Look at how fragile he is-- and how his emotion affect his decision even to the limit called Zero Requiem.
C.C. always make a comment about how he chose his act, and she clearly stated Lelouch is a childish through her act towards him.

Look at the words carefully.
Your journey is over. You're released from this world.
Released ? If he's still alive-- why the word is released ?

Lelouch choose reality.
Is implying how he view the world.
This is also implied in the opening.

Charles - Schniezel - Zero.
Charles is looking for his past dreams, people without lies.
Schniezel is looking for a world with stability.
Lelouch is looking for the future, the explanation comes in R2 Turn 24.
It doesn't mean he's lying to be dead.

Lelouch is already died.
There's a lot of official statement about this.
Even Ookuchi already planned the Zero Requiem from the very beginning.

If you asked, where's Lelouch body.
Watch Kiseki no Tanjoubi Picture Drama.
Even if it's a "crack" Picture Drama, at the end, Suzaku will gave you the easiest clue to discover where's Lelouch graveyard.

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He's died : 100 - 0

If he's alive, it'll ruined everything-- seriously
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