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Old 2011-04-18, 21:13   Link #241
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@-Soconfused based on Astonishing X-men after Jean's death.

Another good episode against the U-men. Cyclopes acting like a leader here, yet he still has doubts on Emma after rescuing her and Hisako and yes lol at Logan's like driving a car knowing to break. Iam awaiting more Wolverine and Beast fight action scenes, but seems the next episode will be more talk than action.

And yes Emma Frost and Storm are hot and Hisako is so cute.
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Old 2011-04-18, 21:39   Link #242
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It's not based on Astonishing X-men at all. The team line-up is going to be the same, but in terms of story continuity the anime continuity is completely original and stand alone. It has nothing to do with the comics.
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Old 2011-04-19, 01:44   Link #243
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that's weird then, kind of a random way to start off the anime if it's not continuing another, if I'm hearing/reading this correctly. unexplained things like why the institute was shut down and storms apparent illness.
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Old 2011-04-19, 03:20   Link #244
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that's weird then, kind of a random way to start off the anime if it's not continuing another, if I'm hearing/reading this correctly. unexplained things like why the institute was shut down and storms apparent illness.
It's not really weird at all. Everything is explained in the show if you pay attention. A year ago there was a battle between the Inner Circle and the X-men, and Jean Grey was killed. After this, the team drifted apart because Cyclops was all emo and shit. After receiving the distress call from Hisako's parents, Professor X summoned the core members back for this rescue mission. Storm has no illness, it seems they're just making up lame excuses to nerf her powers.

The Dark Phoenix Saga is a very famous story arc from the comics, which has been adapted in different ways for each X-men continuity. There is a version of it in the 90s cartoon, there's another version of it for the live action movies, and now there's a new version of it for this anime series. The actual specifics of what happened a year ago are still not explained in the anime so far, other than the climax of the event seen at the start of episode 1. We'll have to keep watching to find out what was really going on behind the scenes, and no doubt Mastermind will likely be the main villain behind the U-men plot in the present day story arc as well.
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Old 2011-04-19, 07:32   Link #245
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Also killing Jean and using Inner Circle is a good way to get Emma involved as well..... Wonder where they're going to go with Emma in this series....
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Old 2011-04-19, 07:45   Link #246
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I hope they go into her pants.

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Old 2011-04-19, 08:00   Link #247
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that's weird then, kind of a random way to start off the anime if it's not continuing another, if I'm hearing/reading this correctly. unexplained things like why the institute was shut down and storms apparent illness.
Even the original X-men cartoon was in its own separate universe. A universe that was, apparently, annihilated in one of those massive apocalyptic events that happen so often in Marvel. It was so Marvel doesn't have to bring it up ever again. But it is still distressing to know that the cartoon characters are now all dead through no fault of their own.
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Old 2011-04-19, 08:44   Link #248
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Really enjoyed episode 2 and 3 so far im liking the story. Its taken me time to adjust the character designs but those i feel are pretty adequate as well. I noticed they made some slight changes to Cyclops's personality and how he and Logan interact.

Now that Emma Frost has been introduced i am very curious to see where they go from here regarding her. As a comic book reader im highly interested to see this direction.

pretty obvious who is behind certain events in the past 3 episodes. Great introduction of the U-men
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Old 2011-04-19, 10:12   Link #249
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It's not really weird at all. Everything is explained in the show if you pay attention. A year ago there was a battle between the Inner Circle and the X-men, and Jean Grey was killed. After this, the team drifted apart because Cyclops was all emo and shit. After receiving the distress call from Hisako's parents, Professor X summoned the core members back for this rescue mission. Storm has no illness, it seems they're just making up lame excuses to nerf her powers.

The Dark Phoenix Saga is a very famous story arc from the comics, which has been adapted in different ways for each X-men continuity. There is a version of it in the 90s cartoon, there's another version of it for the live action movies, and now there's a new version of it for this anime series. The actual specifics of what happened a year ago are still not explained in the anime so far, other than the climax of the event seen at the start of episode 1. We'll have to keep watching to find out what was really going on behind the scenes, and no doubt Mastermind will likely be the main villain behind the U-men plot in the present day story arc as well.
yeah, it was just kind of jarring watching the first episode, I was like "hmmm, I wasn't suppose to watch something before this was I?" But yeah, I guess they'll fill in as they go along.
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Old 2011-04-20, 11:27   Link #250
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too bad if they'll have the non-dry-wit-sarcasm version of Emma though .. you know, that 'edge' of hers .. HOT


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Old 2011-04-20, 23:30   Link #251
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It has nothing to do with the comics.
I understand what you mean to say, but that is too broad of a statement. Either way, yeah. It is actually based off a wide variety of X-Men storylines, but not the stories themselves. Some proof of this is the fact that the U-Men are from the "New X-Men" comic series. A member of the forum said that the only reference material that the anime could feasibly use and be familiar to the Japanese audience would be Claremont's run on X-Men in the early 90s. More proof of this diversity would be Emma Frost's secondary mutation occurring due to protecting Armor from that energy beam, whereas it is caused by the destruction of Genosha in the comics.

The story isn't bad, although plenty of it remains to be seen! I am pleased so far to say the very least.
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Old 2011-04-21, 01:44   Link #252
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I understand what you mean to say, but that is too broad of a statement. Either way, yeah. It is actually based off a wide variety of X-Men storylines, but not the stories themselves. Some proof of this is the fact that the U-Men are from the "New X-Men" comic series. A member of the forum said that the only reference material that the anime could feasibly use and be familiar to the Japanese audience would be Claremont's run on X-Men in the early 90s. More proof of this diversity would be Emma Frost's secondary mutation occurring due to protecting Armor from that energy beam, whereas it is caused by the destruction of Genosha in the comics.

The story isn't bad, although plenty of it remains to be seen! I am pleased so far to say the very least.
Oh come on, you know what the statement meant. The anime continuity is not in any way related to, or connected to any comic storyline. Saying that the anime is based on Astonishing X-Men is incorrect, because it's not. Instead it's simply based on various elements of the X-men universe from many different series, put together in an original continuity that is completely unrelated to the comic-verse.

For example, in the Iron Man anime, the main storyline used both Zodiac and Yinsen as major plot points. But it is clear that the continuity is not set in any existing comic continuity of Iron Man, nor is it set in the movie universe. The nature of Zodiac, and the origin story, are handled differently from any existing continuity.

In the same way, the U-men in the X-men anime are obviously of a very different nature from what the organization is in the comics. Jake and Todd are completely original characters, and in the comics the U-men never had any affiliation with the Hellfire Club or Mastermind. The true nature behind the Dark Phoenix storyline in the anime is also up in the air, and it is very likely that when they eventually reveal the truth of what happened, that it will contradict the events of the comics significantly.

It would be a mistake to watch the anime expecting that knowledge of the comics can serve as accurate information filling the blanks, when in reality it won't. The anime storyline should be taken on its own, and enjoyed for what it is as a stand alone continuity. That's what I'm trying to say.
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Old 2011-04-21, 03:58   Link #253
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Do I smell yuri in this scene? O_o

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too bad if they'll have the non-dry-wit-sarcasm version of Emma though .. you know, that 'edge' of hers .. HOT
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Old 2011-04-21, 05:15   Link #255
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Yes, there's a massive amount of Emma x Hisako shipping going on in ep3. Hopefully it continues!
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Old 2011-04-21, 07:57   Link #256
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Oh come on, you know what the statement meant.


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Instead it's simply based on various elements of the X-men universe from many different series, put together in an original continuity that is completely unrelated to the comic-verse.
Yep, I believe I said that in my previous reply to this thread.

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Either way, yeah. It is actually based off a wide variety of X-Men storylines, but not the stories themselves.
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It would be a mistake to watch the anime expecting that knowledge of the comics can serve as accurate information filling the blanks, when in reality it won't. The anime storyline should be taken on its own, and enjoyed for what it is as a stand alone continuity. That's what I'm trying to say.
It certainly would be a mistake! Everyone who is a comic fan knows not to take things they see as canon right off the bat. I've also said the anime storyline is going to be separate from the mainstream Marvel universe. I hope you will assume in the future that those talking about characters or events from the mainstream Marvel universe know that this anime is standalone storyline and not a direct adaption of any single story as I've been noting in this thread since the first episode aired.

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Yep, I believe I said that in my previous reply to this thread.





It certainly would be a mistake! Everyone who is a comic fan knows not to take things they see as canon right off the bat. I've also said the anime storyline is going to be separate from the mainstream Marvel universe. I hope you will assume in the future that those talking about characters or events from the mainstream Marvel universe know that this anime is standalone storyline and not a direct adaption of any single story as I've been noting in this thread since the first episode aired.

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Don't be so quick to dismiss the anime as non-canon.

Remember that the original X-men cartoon was given its own Earth in the Marvel multi-verse, that of Earth-92131:
http://marvel.wikia.com/Earth-92131
So for all intent and purposes the anime X-men can be canon too. They would just be separate characters to the comic X-men.
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Don't be so quick to dismiss the anime as non-canon.

Remember that the original X-men cartoon was given its own Earth in the Marvel multi-verse, that of Earth-92131:
http://marvel.wikia.com/Earth-92131
So for all intent and purposes the anime X-men can be canon too. They would just be separate characters to the comic X-men.
Non-canon to the mainstream Marvel Universe. that being Earth-616, lololololol. You can also assume people are referring to the primary universe in which most Marvel comic titles are written into. In the case of this anime, it wouldn't and shouldn't be considered canon to the Earth-616(Mainstream universe, most of the comics you read by Marvel are in the 616 universe).
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Non-canon to the mainstream Marvel Universe. that being Earth-616, lololololol. You can also assume people are referring to the primary universe in which most Marvel comic titles are written into. In the case of this anime, it wouldn't and shouldn't be considered canon to the Earth-616(Mainstream universe, most of the comics you read by Marvel are in the 616 universe).
There is nothing to argue anyway. I don't think the 616 Earth was ever used anywhere BUT the comics. Marvel was never in the habit of treating the animated shows as anything more than extra revenue streams. Trying to make the animated shows canon to the current comic stories is too much work.

Not least because the Western cartoons are always kiddified. They couldn't make cartoons canon to Earth 616 without losing the G rating.
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Don't be so quick to dismiss the anime as non-canon.

Remember that the original X-men cartoon was given its own Earth in the Marvel multi-verse, that of Earth-92131:
http://marvel.wikia.com/Earth-92131
So for all intent and purposes the anime X-men can be canon too. They would just be separate characters to the comic X-men.
wasn't that universe subsequently foobared afterwards?
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