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Old 2011-05-01, 08:53   Link #2981
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00PS! Final Chapter Chall Acustica

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-Gundam meisters came to know of the terrorist attack on HRL’s OE 2 days before the attack is to take place.

-According to aeolia’s plan, intervention will take place after the 3rd gen units are completed. Veda calculated that the attack will not affect the plan too much and it is worried that by intervening, CB’s existence will be known earlier than it should be. This would result in heavy changes to the plan.

-The terrorists plan to crash the hellions (>10 units) into the OE. After veda goes through numerous reports, it concluded that AEU is supporting the attack. There are no solid evidences linking AEU to the attack.

-Direct intervention will cause too much wreckage, making covering up difficult. The particle traces left on electrical components are almost impossible to analyse unlike traces caused by beam particles. Gundams have shielding equipment against GN particles.

-874’s role is to collect battlefield data and to recover the units during emergency. 0 gundam was ordered by veda to launch


The development report states that nadleeh is the escape mechanism for virtue, is this the 1st publication to state this?
This is the first time I've heard of the particles actually having a disturbance effect on electronics, as opposed to generally just communication/radar systems/
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Old 2011-05-01, 23:28   Link #2982
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00P File No 10 Chall Acustica

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More info regarding the chapter

-Gundam meisters came to know of the terrorist attack on HRL’s OE 2 days before the attack is to take place.

-According to aeolia’s plan, intervention will take place after the 3rd gen units are completed. Veda calculated that the attack will not affect the plan too much and it is worried that by intervening, CB’s existence will be known earlier than it should be. This would result in heavy changes to the plan.

-The terrorists plan to crash the hellions (>10 units) into the OE. After veda goes through numerous reports, it concluded that AEU is supporting the attack. There are no solid evidences linking AEU to the attack.

-Direct intervention will cause too much wreckage, making covering up difficult. The particle traces left on electrical components are almost impossible to analyse unlike traces caused by beam particles. Gundams have shielding equipment against GN particles.

-874’s role is to collect battlefield data and to recover the units during emergency. 0 gundam was ordered by veda to launch


The development report states that nadleeh is the escape mechanism for virtue, is this the 1st publication to state this?
Hmmm.........it appears that Nadleeh is the escape mechanism for Virtue. I'm having a hard time buying this argument that 00P is making, unlike Seraphim or Plutone's core Fighter which remains only a small part of the entire unit, Nadleeh by size and integration is a large part of it so I really do not see where the logic of it being an escape mechanism is coming from. IF Virtue gets heavily damaged in some paers, so will Nadleeh since Nadleeh is in essence wearing Virtue and is still large enough to be affected by most things that happen to it.

It is however, considerably mobile, so maybe if we were to think of Virtue of some sort of clunky MA-ish object Nadleeh is then its "escape mechanism" from that into a more mobile and still armed formed. It is however, not as far as I can see, not the traditional "easily escapable Core Fighter ejecting thingy when the whole frame gets badly damaged kind of form" that Plutone, GNZ, Arche and GRM have.

It does however strengthened the already strong argument of Nadleeh being just a secondary form of Virtue for certain situations. It just so happens in this case the secondary escape mechanism was completed before the primary heavy weapon design form.

00P File No 8. Joyce Moreno

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Movement of asteroids from around Jupiter and mars area to areas near earth is a difficult task. This is to gather resources for the building of OE & colonies. Vessels involve in the work are called “slave spaceship”, and the name is not far from the truth.

Robert Stad is a newly arrived worker and brings his whole family along. During marlene’s trial, the fact that an infectious disease was onboard and hopeless situation then was not considered. Union companies responsible for management of the spaceships push all the blame to her and for this reason, they treated her with the latest medical technology. Marlene originally intended to use her own life to atone for the crime. Robert’s death changes her view on life; she wanted to live on, to change the world. Not for herself, but as a tool to achieve this goal. Thus, she agreed when veda ask her to join CB.

The mission was to monitor the hellions. It was marlene that attack the hellion squad first. She blocked a kamikaze attack on the guerilla village by one of the hellion. The hellion exploded and marlene was injuried.
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Nadleeh as an escape mechanism worked against the HRL XD

Also, from what I remember, Plutone's escape mechanism fills the whole torso
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Nadleeh as an escape mechanism worked against the HRL XD

Also, from what I remember, Plutone's escape mechanism fills the whole torso
At least Plutone'd Core Fighter can easily detaches itself, not Nadleeh though.
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Plutone Accident disagrees ><
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Old 2011-05-02, 16:58   Link #2986
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Well, in theory that's what its suppose to do..........>__> Nadleeh by contrast is PART of said armor, so the concept is not even to the same extent, hence why I think its unsuitable to call it an "escape mechanism". Seraphim rules both in that department by far though, so they eventually got it at least.
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TBH, thinking about the development from core fighter to Nadleeh made me think of tadpoles growing legs. hahaha.

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00P File No 12 Grave Violentino

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-Termination of gundam artemie’s development was first mention here. When the gundam is optically camouflaged, even radar cannot detect it. GN particles produce when the gundam is active has an adverse effect on the camouflaged, thus the machine has to stop first before it can be used (some info from chapter 13).

-Even with veda’s info gathering ability, it is not able to gather much info about the special forces chasing E-57.
Seems to mention that the camo is directly affected when GN Particles are actively used. Probably means actively the MS uses a lot of particles externally so it disrupts the camo hence why it cannot be used while being active. This is probably related to the mention of why Rasiel's camo will collapse in high velocities, probably because a lot of particles are used.

Still, Arios and Ptolemaios 2 can still cover camo their tops while still moving at a certain velocity so improved technology in S2 plus a half/half (half camo, less velocity/performance) compromise by then. Still, only those two are known to have that ability so it may not apply to the other Gundams.

Hmmm..............The Celestial Being mothership was still able to fire the GN Laser 18M while camo though, maybe thats why it had to drop it because the firing already disrupted the camofield?
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Still, Arios and Ptolemaios 2 can still cover camo their tops while still moving at a certain velocity so improved technology in S2 plus a half/half (half camo, less velocity/performance) compromise by then. Still, only those two are known to have that ability so it may not apply to the other Gundams.
When was Arios confirmed to have optical camo?

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Hmmm..............The Celestial Being mothership was still able to fire the GN Laser 18M while camo though, maybe thats why it had to drop it because the firing already disrupted the camofield?
Dropping the camo was probably Ribbons' saying "Come and get me".
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Yeah, I think the reason Ribbons dropped the camouflage was because by firing the GN-Laser, he'd already given his position away and hiding had become completely unnecessary.
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When was Arios confirmed to have optical camo?
Well, Optic camo in all the S2 Gundams is almost a given even if not directly stated, since all of the S1 Gundams had it and were seen to use it (except Kyrios, cannot remember an instance where I seen it used it). So it almost seems like a general equipment thing. Artemie and Rasiel as 3rd Gen units had it as well.

But in Arios' case specifically, it was mentioned in the 00V Senki Silent Attacker chapter. Arios uses a technique similar to the Ptolemaios 2 in which case it camo the top in order to avoid detection as well as flying low. I posted the chapter summary in the previous page, here.
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Bunch if info from 00N

Chapters 1-3

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Now, for 00N...

1

-Global warming has stopped worsening/spreading due to major improvement in technology used in countering it. This is under the condition that no large amount of greenhouse gases is further released.

-The tragedy that results from the destruction of nuclear facilities during the war in Middle East is the reason why nuclear power is abandon.

-AEU leads the pack in the area of ‘Buddy Craft’, Agrissa is one example. As AEU completes its new solar energy receiver network in 2307, it decides to launch its newest MS. One reason for this is that Union has just launched its latest MS, Flag. Similarities between the 2 MS can be attributed to the fact that both have similar basic structure to allow transformation and similar development concepts. If the launch is push back, people may view Enact as a ‘copy’. Robert notes that despite the earlier launch, enact is still viewed as a ‘copy’

-Technicians managed to gather quite an amount of info about beam weapon from the damaged enact. The info is used in the development of anti-beam coating armour.

-Production Notes. The ‘N’ in 00N can stand for ‘news’ or ‘new view of 00’s world’. Due to how the fuel for enact’s battery is stored, it is not explosive. The fuel for propulsion is different and is very flammable. This fuel is stored at the back.

2

-Purpose of aero flag is to enter enemy’s territory and gather info. It fulfils the need of combat capable recon aircraft at the frontlines. Aero Cowl increase the unit’s mobility, extends its travel distance and allow high speed flying. The North Shield uses a longer aero cowl than regular units.

-Construction of Flag custom 2 allows the Union reseachers to know more about how GN particles move in the machine and other related info. One reason why Union is not selected for the development of new GN machine (referring to Ahead) is that Billy left the team and is unable to transfer the info collected during the war to the team. Prof. Eifman is close to explaining how the GN particle system works when he is killed. Using his notes, billy and his team started developing their version of Trans-Am. The machine that was changed to masurao was created to test the Trans-Am system.

-Production notes. Camo pattern on aero flag is changed according to the recon area. The aero cowl comes in various length. Regnant’s wreckage was discovered during repair work in the debris region. Its cockpit block containing battle data was never found. Its development roots can be trace back to alvatorre. Appearance of Gadelaza is also hinted.

3

-Tieren’s heavy armour causes the opening of jammed cockpit door difficult. Technicians make the hinges of the door extremely durable.

-OE’s maintenance work requires the participation of UN’s monitoring agent to record down the process.

-Origin of MS and OE shares a brotherly relationship. As construction of OE spans different environment, there is a need to develop a machine that can work in these environments. Thus, work loader was born and to improve its usability, a humanoid form is adapted. To be more precise it is the adaptation of ‘arms’ and ‘legs’.

-OE’s completion is due to the presence of work loaders. It can be said that once the decision to construct OE was made, the birth of work loader is inevitable. OE becomes a terrorist target during its construction. Solar wars help in the evolution of weapons. As protection of OE requires a machine to be able to work in different environment, work loader thus evolves into a weapon and such weapon with a humanoid form is called MS.

-Many military weapons were discarded in favour of MS as it has high performance in many environments, although there are exceptions, eg.aerial recon, naval activities, etc.

-Fanton uses fossil fuels, there is no space variant and test type space use MA is limited and given to ace pilots. To solve this gap, MAJ-S08 Xiaoshou is adapted for protection of OE. As the use of 2 different types of machines in land and space shows a gap in HRL technology, they rushed to create an all-terrain machine.

-After Xiaoshou is replaced at the frontlines, it is used in OE maintenance and space related development. Due to its small size, high mobility, able to carry out fine and precise work with its hands, high performance and low usage cost, it is popular with the operators. Units sold to civilians and units made by licensed manufacturers for civilian use shows the popularity of this unit. Xiaoshou changes from MA to work loader.

-If Chall, one of the past top students in this school, managed to use xiaoshou then, she may have won the fighting competition.

-Production Notes. MAs used in maintenance of military use cable on the OE operates in group of 3, with 2 on guard. In the earlier stage of space warfare, xiaoshou is often team up with other space use MS. Due to improvement in space use MS; xiaoshou is relegated to support related duties.
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Actually, they are chapter numbers. Each chapter consist of 2 stories that may or may not be related.

The fuel at the back may not be explosive but still dangerous.

Another round.

4

-Very little about GN-X is revealed to the public, most people know it as the next gen MS developed by UN army and it uses a newer version of gundam releated system. The reason for this lack of info is that the UN army feels there is a need to strictly managed relevant GN-X info.

-In 2311, UN is transformed into EF. Currently, member nations are disintegrating their armed forces with the aim of forming EF army a year later. To allow the populace to know more about GN-X, a newly manufactured unit is shown to the media.
-Photos taken outside the permitted area are banned from publishing.

-The following info is from a report on the web. UN seems to have hidden a lot of info regarding GN-X. Alejandro Corner manufacturers the GN-X parts in multiple factories as work loader parts. UN never admitted the relationship between GN-X and gundams, they wish to preserve the impression that the machine that defeated gundam is their creation. If the truth is revealed to the media, it would show that UN is just being used in CB’s internal war.

-UN replied that the mass production of GN-X took so long as large amount of time is used in getting parliamentary approval. The real reason may be that they spent 3 years to understand GN-drive equipped unit and to prepare production system. Unit 1 is assembled in a factory inside OE; it originally belongs to Lagna, thus the GN-X production facility may originally belong to CB’s traitor. As unit 1 is publicly launched, its successor is also revealed. GN-XII and Ahead’s designs are finished and a year after the peace keeping army is formed, a newer unit will be used.

-GN-X production facilities will be built around the world. EF officials stressed that this is done to maintain world peace. Before the report on GN-X unit 1 can be published, they are vetted by EF officials. The new colours are to preserve the impression that it is for maintaining world peace and to show a new side of it. It later becomes the colour of EF forces. The video footage released has additional treatment done to prevent analysis of the video.

-Production Notes. Overflag is used as it is decided that only it can keep up with GN-X during its aerial combat test.

5

-The realdo in the pic is Japan’s 1st independently completed MS. It is designed by the americans. Its armaments are also independently developed by the Japanese manufacturer. The unit is unpainted. Stealth field effect in the pic lasted for about 1 min. The existence of new gundams is leaked from within the army. All the messages are later deleted.

-Production Notes. The defence rod and rifle have been adjusted for environmental differences.

6
-MS height range from 15 – 20m, this is the suitable range for moving within and around the OE. Its size allows it to use the thick E-carbon armour as it is able to withstand the weight. To destroy such armour requires very destructive weapons and this result in upsizing of weapons. The result is only MS can use such weapons, thus the unwritten rule that only MS can defeat MS is born.

-As large GN-drive equipped unit cannot use current storage and preparation facilities, their numbers are limited. High cost also prevents the upsizing of current MS.

-In poor areas like Africa and middle east, youths fighting against MS often appears in the news. The uses of youths or child soldiers have 2 effects.

1-As the news always reports about war/fighting, a scene whereby the child soldiers are fighting MS serve to shows the sadness of war. No matter how the MS using side portrays itself as the righteous party, as long as 1 such pic appears in the news, it will cause much negativity. Even if it points out that it is inhumane of the enemy to use child soldiers, the public will also think they are just finding excuses. No matter how strong the country is, as long as it does not have the citizen’s support, the fighting cannot continue.

2-Normally, people have a hard time killing each other, but if the situation is change to a MS fight plus the packaging known as war, the feeling of killing someone by your own hands may decrease. If the enemy is change to child soldiers, the fact that pressing the trigger results in their bloody body causes a large psychological burden on the soldiers. Treating the affected soldiers and the fact that some may leave the army, considering the high cost involve in training them, is a large burden on the army.

-In terms of cost, child soldiers are cheaper than MS and maybe the only thing that can surpass MS. To combat child soldiers, info control and automatons are used.

-The ‘E’ and ‘R’ in anf’s model no. stands for ‘exports’ and ‘rental’ respectively. As it uses fossil fuel, its targeted market is the fossil fuel using Middle East(ME). Its name also shows that it is aimed at ME. From there, its export spreads to the whole African region and they share a common point, poverty.

-As a MS, anf has a very low price, thus suitable for poor regions. It can also be said that there are no other choices. Low breakdown rate and easy repair of faults also make it very popular.

-The joke “In middle east, firing a rocket will hit an anf” shows how common they are. Satisfied by the sale results, HRL increases its production, resulting in lower cost per unit and more demands follows. HRL also produce anf with engines that uses chemical reaction fuel as fossil fuel is not easy obtain outside ME. High number of newly produce anf uses such engine. In areas where anf are used for fighting, the opponent will also use an anf.

-Trading companies are also involved in selling anf. There are cases whereby areas banned from arms import receive work only anf that are later converted to fighting machines by the supplier. This is an open secret. Some companies even made minor adjustment to fanton retired by the army and sell them as newly made units.

-In HRL, many modified fantons are used in the military, especially in the north where fighting are sparse. In Union, the anf has part of its function limited. South America has many anf before it joins Union and they are still in use. In Australia’s construction industry, anf is more popular than Union made MS due to its durability. Australia only has a small no. of fight capable anf to support OE protection during emergency. AEU’s situation is similar to Australia. Anf is still the most common MS after the birth of EF.
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Can someone tranlate this?

What is it?
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I cannot translate it but it looks familiar. It seems like the upcoming 00N compilation book, it also has the G-R00MS online interviews included as well. That picture of the MS there is of ELS Qan(T).

We got a few interesting info from 00N lately (as posted in my previous post) but I'm too lazy to cross-post the rest here since nobody seems to care.
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We got a lot of interesting info from 00N lately (as posted in my previous post) but I'm too lazy to cross-post the rest here since nobody seems to care.
Uh... what gave you that impression?

BTW, I saw an pretty lengthy discussion on Gundam Wiki regarding the Astraea Type F; what's up with that?
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Uh... what gave you that impression?

BTW, I saw an pretty lengthy discussion on Gundam Wiki regarding the Astraea Type F; what's up with that?
Well, I have been posting the information as you can see on the last page but nobody seems to have replied much to it. I guess I don't want to try and break the double posting rule too often. There's alot of small 00P stuff (thanks to E08's translations) as well that I have been lagging behind as well. I think they are some 00N chapters I have not cross-posted but I'm not too sure.

Ah regarding the Wikia Type F thing, some of us were suggesting whether we should re-label the Astraea Type F as a heavy weapons suit because of the way Fon uses his Tau version in 00I (IE by equipping all the addon weapons at once in a crazy manner). The problem arises from the fact that the article also includes the Original Astraea F, which never had the option. Most of Fon's add-on were his own personally additions. Since this one article covers both these different unit, we were discussing whether we should re-label it.

And as fate would have it, one of the development chart labels Fon's 00I Astraea F as a Astraea Type F Heavy Weapons Type (I had to ask a friend to translate it), so we now have a reason to separate the two Astraea Type Fs into two different article on the bases on how different they are (and now have at least a source to back it up, however insignificant). This would also solve our labeling issues since we can easily label the Original Type F as general purpose (which it should be since its just the normal Astraea equipment set anyways) and the Fon's Astraea Type F into "heavy weaponry" in its own article, we seem to be on the momentum towards splitting it at the moment. To put it simply, we're wondering whether we should treat Fon's Tau Astraea as a "variant" of sorts, and variants usually get their own seperate articles in Gundam Wikia, if they are different enough to merit one.

I'm personally hoping the 00N compilation book gives us a colored lineart of ELS Qan(T).
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Well Sonic one would think that Fon's heavy weapons Astraea Type F would qualify for a seperate page one it has a bunch more weapons and 2 it has a tau drive so limited run time and no trans-am. Heck they gave the 00 Seven Sword G and the 00 Seven Sword/G Inspection each there own page and the only difference between those 2 that I can tell is the color.
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Well Sonic one would think that Fon's heavy weapons Astraea Type F would qualify for a seperate page one it has a bunch more weapons and 2 it has a tau drive so limited run time and no trans-am. Heck they gave the 00 Seven Sword G and the 00 Seven Sword/G Inspection each there own page and the only difference between those 2 that I can tell is the color.
Yeah, I agree. That's why I suggested it.

The Inspection has a 15% increase in performance than the regular 007S/G at the time. Its just a model in a simulator that Sherilyn made, the red being to differentiate Inspection's performance than the regular (and during that time, "current") 007S/G.

00 Raiser Condenser likely far surpassed both with its Twin Condenser System installed, which is probably why it can even use Trans-Am Burst in the first place. The first 007S/G with two Large Condensers involved could only go Trans-Am for 0.03 seconds.
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The way I see it, that wasn't the actual Trans-AM Burst being used in the movie, but a field of GN-Particles focused into its shape using an uncontrolled Raiser System--after all, the Haro was exclaiming "Raiser System start!" rather than anything relating to Trans-AM Burst. Setsuna even said as much. "I'll use the Raiser System to create a telepathic field with high-density GN-Particles."

That being said, it's still Trans-AM in use, which is significant, but that's likely because there's no one GN-Drive equipped when there's supposed to be two synched together.
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The way I see it, that wasn't the actual Trans-AM Burst being used in the movie, but a field of GN-Particles focused into its shape using an uncontrolled Raiser System--after all, the Haro was exclaiming "Raiser System start!" rather than anything relating to Trans-AM Burst. Setsuna even said as much. "I'll use the Raiser System to create a telepathic field with high-density GN-Particles."

That being said, it's still Trans-AM in use, which is significant, but that's likely because there's no one GN-Drive equipped when there's supposed to be two synched together.
Its not the exact same system, but the word "Trans-Am Burst" is still pasted on the UI screen so its definitely done in the same manner or pattern. The Raiser System is likely vital for it as well though. Its also possible that no GN Drive synch is needed is why it can be done without a second pilot this time around. Especially if fully synchronizing two Large Condensers is more manageable for the AI (and the Raiser System is mainly about synchronizing the two powerplant components to create one powerful burst effect).
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