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Old 2011-05-05, 12:27   Link #2021
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They're testing equipment so that the entire army will be able to fight anti-magic, they aren't just casually abandoning their weapons because they can't use them. Seriously... it's not that complicated of a thing, and it makes sense. The mainstream army is rapidly being outclassd when it comes to the anti-magic capabilities, to the point that even groups trained to deal with it have a hard time holding their own against ordinary Gadget Drones. If the villains continue to upgrade, eventually they won't be able to deal with them.
All of this is pretty interesting but i got my hands on a little more accurate translation of the CW-ADX "Raptor" and it says these bad boys are created to be able to use he Caledfwich Techniques AEC Equips efficiently. Do you see a pattern here?

CW is planning to take over the TSAB.

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Old 2011-05-05, 12:36   Link #2022
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Old 2011-05-05, 14:52   Link #2023
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Oh wow, I didn't notice that before.

That's kinda mood whiplash.

Also, is Hayate really supposed to be rivals now with someone she can't fight? I like her, but that just doesn't work. Trying to push any rivalry between S6 and the Hucks is farfetched at this point, but that's especially silly.

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Old 2011-05-05, 15:09   Link #2024
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Oh wow, I didn't notice that before.

That's kinda mood whiplash.

Also, is Hayate really supposed to be rivals now with someone she can't fight? I like her, but that just doesn't work. Trying to push any rivalry between S6 and the Hucks is farfetched at this point, but that's especially silly.
Specially between the Huckebin and the Yagami-ke, poor Yagamis are totally outclassed by the Hucks xDU
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Old 2011-05-05, 15:12   Link #2025
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Well, mostly because rivalries in Nanoha are at least partially about fight banter, and there really wasn't any of that in this battle. Compare the first battle in As, since people like doing that.
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Old 2011-05-05, 15:17   Link #2026
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Like someone on TV tropes posted, it's a bit rare to see Hayate this agressive towards someone. Back on StrikerS she didn't seems to be particulary biased towards Scaglietti even after he blows up her base and his henchmen hurted nearly all her family. But now she behaves very fiercely and determined against the Huckebein, even exchanging glares with Curren for a moment, and now this new pic. Sure Hayate got shafted as always but this time apparently the writer want to give her a bit more fiber to her "Commander" character.
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Old 2011-05-05, 15:19   Link #2027
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But it's still really dumb, since Hayate can't actually do anything to Curren beyond glaring at her. A rivalry kind of implies it's even, not one side able to instantly defeat the other.

If that happened though, it'd have more reasoning to it than say, Nanoha fighting Arnage again, or Erio against DeVille.

(If they had him almost kill Nanoha just to give Fate a motivation to fight him, well...)
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Old 2011-05-05, 15:23   Link #2028
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Well, most rivarlies start with a defeat(see Goku and Vegeta for example), and in Hayate's case is not that she can take on a powerfull melee fighter anyway, so probably their rivarly will be resolved in how well thei manage to command their respective groups to victory. So Hayate and Curren will be chessmaster rivals in a sense i guess.

At least this new "Agressive Hayate" could be possibly useful in slapping some sense back on her Knights(and some readers) once they awaken, probably a caring mother is not what they need right now so let's make space for Drill Commander Hayate.
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Old 2011-05-05, 15:26   Link #2029
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Curren's also probably gonna end up fighting on the front-lines at some point, though, and it undoubtedly will be against someone that can actually challenge her. So unless Hayate suddenly gets stronger, she's not gonna be the one to actually defeat her.

What ****ing sense do they need slapped back into them!?
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Old 2011-05-05, 15:29   Link #2030
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Yup, probably Curren will end up facing Tohma as he's the only other one with a "monstrous book" attached to him, and the only one able to deliver a bigger CurbStomp than her at the moment. Other option will be Super-Duper-Upgrade Nanoha or a team up against her.
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Old 2011-05-05, 15:39   Link #2031
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I'm explaining the reasoning behind the heroes. If there is something else going on behind the scenes, that's an entirely different situation, and really just explains why the company is doing all of this (though if they're a good company, all they really need is simply not wanting to be overrun by Huckbein or others).

And... Hayate can very likely damage Curren. She was kind of jumped, and wasn't expecting Curren to even show up most likely, nor do they know much about her. So I wouldn't say Hayate can't be a rival for Curren.
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Old 2011-05-05, 15:46   Link #2032
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And... Hayate can very likely damage Curren. She was kind of jumped, and wasn't expecting Curren to even show up most likely, nor do they know much about her. So I wouldn't say Hayate can't be a rival for Curren.
Well, considering that Hayate self-admitedly sucks at close combat and Curren have enough power/skill to curbstomp the powerful melee Knights that are supossedly meant to protect her, i think is safe to assume that a direct confrontation between Hayate and Curren will be unfavorable for the former. The best Hayate can do is to target Curren from the distance and launch one of her tricky Eclipse-avoiding spells, with enough luck she will be abel to shoot her down. This, or course, is still debatable as we didn't know how good Curren is at long range yet(she seems to be unholy effective at close range, tough).
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So then both of them would be trying to fight to their strengths. Long-range vs. short-range has gone either way in the past, and I'm doubtful on Curren's long-range capabilities. They certainly aren't as good as Hayate's, so I think it's entirely plausible as far as rivalries go. I do think it's more likely Thoma would be her rival, due to the parallel's, but it could go either way.

And nearly everyone who participated in the battle got their butt's kicked, so I wouldn't say it's really a sign of the Yagami family sucking, it's... just they happen to represent a large part of the cast. Even Nanoha was pretty much torn apart, and she's the main hero.
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Old 2011-05-05, 16:44   Link #2034
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Well, if Curren is smart (which she seems to actually be), then Hayate wouldn't get more than one attack off on her if she was alone, and two-on-one fights have never really been featured in the series. She's pretty fast, too.
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Pretty sure we'll see more than one on one fights. I mean... we have way more than seven combatants overall in the series, even discounting the Combat Cyborgs. Nanoha, Fate, Hayate, Vita, Signum, Subaru, Erio, Caro, and Teana... huh, thought we had more. I guess it isn't way more then, though there is also Isis and Thoma now.

And Hayate has the potential to display smart tactics as well. Maybe she'll actually work on her lower-scale attacks, and thus actually be able to do better. Of course, I think Hayate and Stella fighting would be a bit more logical, as then it's warship vs. essentially warship. But that's just me.
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Old 2011-05-05, 17:48   Link #2036
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All of this is pretty interesting but i got my hands on a little more accurate translation of the CW-ADX "Raptor" and it says these bad boys are created to be able to use the Caledfwich Techniques AEC Equips efficiently. Do you see a pattern here?

CW is planning to take over the TSAB.
So much for "testing AEC armaments for grunts" theory. Btw Aki, does the translation confirms them as "androids" instead of "cyborgs" or "power armor"? If there's a good moment to confirm the term and avoid popularizing the wrong one, it would be now(before the term become firmly etched into our minds)

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Well, mostly because rivalries in Nanoha are at least partially about fight banter, and there really wasn't any of that in this battle. Compare the first battle in As, since people like doing that.
Rivals? Nah, if anything Karen's words are probably something like "don't worry, our latest encounter with the TSAB proves that not even their primadonna squad is a match for us. What could possibly go wrong?"...at which General Murphy would be obliged to side with the protagonists
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Old 2011-05-05, 18:47   Link #2037
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So much for "testing AEC armaments for grunts" theory. Btw Aki, does the translation confirms them as "androids" instead of "cyborgs" or "power armor"? If there's a good moment to confirm the term and avoid popularizing the wrong one, it would be now(before the term become firmly etched into our minds)
According to the info the Raptor are "Humanoid Terminal Units" artificially created using "living material" for their bodies(which bring some troubles with TSAB's regulations at the beginning), similar to combat cyborgs but devoid of any individual traits or personality, they function as a mechanic terminal with automatic operation and that can be remote controlled and are(as i said before) optimized to use the AEC equipment efficiently. They are currently on the end stages of the testing phase and CW plans on manufature and release this product to the security market.

So yeah, they're basically human and fleshy lookin Gadget Drones or, if you prefer, soulless numbers.
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Old 2011-05-05, 19:42   Link #2038
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Yeah, that's pretty much what I was saying. If the same people fight next time, it'll pretty much be because of coincidence.

And if the Raptors are made to use the AEC equipment, well, that could be cool, if there's one who ends up becoming a good guy. Maybe like a full armor mode?
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Old 2011-05-05, 23:56   Link #2039
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All of this is pretty interesting but i got my hands on a little more accurate translation of the CW-ADX "Raptor" and it says these bad boys are created to be able to use he Caledfwich Techniques AEC Equips efficiently. Do you see a pattern here?

CW is planning to take over the TSAB.
You know, it still hasn't been identified just who the Evil Scientists (tm) who were behind the experiments with Lily and the destruction of the village, etc., etc. actually were. For all we know, they could actually work for Caledfwich.
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Old 2011-05-06, 00:50   Link #2040
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Yup, that actually could explain how CW have the technology to make "Anti-Eclipse" weponary when the data about Eclipse itself is pretty misterious and inaccurate. As someone posted before, probably the orchested the whole thing from the shadows, maybe Curren discover their relationship with the events?
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