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Old 2011-05-06, 14:13   Link #2021
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Spoiler for this time it's all negative so for the sake of it...:
If this episode did this to you, you might want to just stop watching. This is pretty standard Hidan no Aria stuff.

Kinji being aroused to enter hysteria mode was established in episode 1, I don't know why this is still a point that needs to come up. In hysteria mode he is ridiculously fast thinking. He connected the dots and realized the butei killer Riko was targeting Aria, of course he didn't know it was Riko until it was revealed though.

I feel like this has been said multiple times in the last page but Butei aren't subject to normal laws, they can carry weapons and discharge them pretty much anywhere. Though I'll give you that shooting it out on a plane isn't that smart.

Riko's plan makes sense if you think about the fact that she is just "Lupin the 4th." Holmes always had a partner so she needs to set up Aria with one. She knows about hysteria mode so she decides Kinji would work and sets the plot in motion. This is all to show that she beat a Holmes which is something her great grandfather couldn't do. And yes it was obvious in the episode but Holmes, Lupin and many other famous fictional characters were real characters in HnA universe.

Kinji isn't in hysteria mode at the point they are on the plane, he can't react as fast as Riko or Aria who for all intents and purposes are rank S. Even Riko who is only ranked A officially.
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Old 2011-05-06, 14:18   Link #2022
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Can't and Not Allowed are really 2 different things but Butei's "can't really kill" because if they kill someone. They will not be treated as butei anymore and more like murderers and be arrested or be turn into criminal.

That's the world of mercenary or butei. If the people want to catch someone be dead or alive. They will send in the police and if they want it dead they will send specialist and if they want it alive. They will send in a butei.

Just like what happen to Kinji's brother. Death is not tolerated in butei works. All the deaths will be blamed onto you so killing the enemy and death from your side are both things a butei mustn't allow.
Not really sure if you're disagreeing or agreeing with me. Can't, means something nature is preventing you from performing such an act. Like Penguins can't fly, it's not like they don't fly cause we won't allow them to. Butei's can kill, they have the ability to do so, any living creature can kill. It's just that they're not allowed to due to laws and regulations.

Emotional distraught can ring out all reason, people say and do things they don't mean all the time due to emotion distress. But something of this magnitude should have definitely throw Kinji over the edge as it would any human.
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Old 2011-05-06, 14:19   Link #2023
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Kinji being aroused to enter hysteria mode was established in episode 1, I don't know why this is still a point that needs to come up. In hysteria mode he is ridiculously fast thinking. He connected the dots and realized the butei killer Riko was targeting Aria, of course he didn't know it was Riko until it was revealed though.
Kinji has hysteria mode, but what does Aria have? Her mother mentioned something that Aria also had some kind of special power. I'm curious what kind of ability she has. My guess would be from the title "Aria the Scarlet Ammo", Whatever that scarlet ammo does.
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Old 2011-05-06, 14:20   Link #2024
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Spoiler for this time it's all negative so for the sake of it...:
I shouldn't even answer honestly but I will.

- Medias do ANYTHING to have audiences, whether they say a bunch of fucking crap that only dumb people believe, or not.
-Well yeah, that's the point maybe, people who are arrested and send into death punishement while their family believes they did nothing. You think the few meetings they have are :" hey dude, how is it here ? You have something to shave at least?"
- ... huh ? HSS is turning on by being sexually excited, you didn't understand that?
-Kinji HSS mode = can see bullet, having a better processing brain and everything is a feature of HSS, so foreseeing things that we can't because we don't see the relationships is normal.
- Kinji not HSS mode = pretty dense. But, I will agree with you on this point, instead of teasing her about pants he could have sait it.
- You forgot already that they are buteis?
-a bullet won't pierce a plane ... you know, it's not made of paper...
- Maah,who knows ? Maybe if you wait a little to see what happens next you will know.
-See previously
-Seems like, you have somebody with the power to be superman when sexually aroused, so what's the deal about making fictionnal characters real ?
-Because it's an anime. No seriously, think at his place, he just saw a loli with big boobs using her hair as medusa and firing at point blank to his partner, maybe it was a little too much for kinji in normal mode.
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Old 2011-05-06, 14:24   Link #2025
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'Tis useless to try and convince him, it's obvious that he's dead set on denouncing the show, whether anything is explained or not.

Matter of personal likes and dislikes, I guess.

Some of those questions are slightly retarded though.

Like the arousal - HSS one. And the one about guns. Because slashing around with katanas would be oh so much better. Or, in the event that the collateral damage is too huge from that, bitch slapping is always an alternative.
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Old 2011-05-06, 14:25   Link #2026
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Kinji has hysteria mode, but what does Aria have? Her mother mentioned something that Aria also had some kind of special power. I'm curious what kind of ability she has. My guess would be from the title "Aria the Scarlet Ammo", Whatever that scarlet ammo does.
When Aria's mother was telling her to get a partner, she meant that the Holmes family have a tradition where they can use their abilities to it's fullest extent if they have a partner.

The whole Scarlet Ammo thing is something completely different.
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Old 2011-05-06, 14:26   Link #2027
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Different humans react differently. I think Kinji had as much reason to end Riko's life as he had reason not to. Someone generally without ambition won't take the initiative that easily. He can't dismiss the Riko he had believed in up to this point like that and there's also the subconscious Butei law he seems to follow (seeing how he would quote it on Aria and all). Maybe unbelievable but if I were in his shoes I wouldn't have killed her either. Probably. Actually, I wouldn't have pointed the knife at her throat, rather I would have injured her or something and then throw her over.
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Old 2011-05-06, 14:26   Link #2028
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IKinji being aroused to enter hysteria mode was established in episode 1, I don't know why this is still a point that needs to come up. In hysteria mode he is ridiculously fast thinking. He connected the dots and realized the butei killer Riko was targeting Aria, of course he didn't know it was Riko until it was revealed though.
I know it was established in episode 1. I just felt the need to point out that it's still ridiculous. And unless he has psychic powers his reasoning that Aria was in danger at the time doesn't make sense.

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I feel like this has been said multiple times in the last page but Butei aren't subject to normal laws, they can carry weapons and discharge them pretty much anywhere. Though I'll give you that shooting it out on a plane isn't that smart.
Didn't know that. Also ridiculous.

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Riko's plan makes sense if you think about the fact that she is just "Lupin the 4th." Holmes always had a partner so she needs to set up Aria with one. She knows about hysteria mode so she decides Kinji would work and sets the plot in motion. This is all to show that she beat a Holmes which is something her great grandfather couldn't do. And yes it was obvious in the episode but Holmes, Lupin and many other famous fictional characters were real characters in HnA universe.
I'm not talking about her retarded ego issues. I'm talking about how she could've possibly known Aria would be there to save Kinji from the bike incident before anyone else, that Kinji would go into Hysteria mode and that Kinji wouldn't just change the time on the clock instead of the watch. There are so many other variables not taken into account. It's really incredibly lucky that Riko's plan actually worked.

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Kinji isn't in hysteria mode at the point they are on the plane, he can't react as fast as Riko or Aria who for all intents and purposes are rank S. Even Riko who is only ranked A officially.
But he had enough time to scream Aria's name like a spastic?

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Some of those questions are slightly retarded though.

Like the arousal - HSS one. And the one about guns. Because slashing around with katanas would be oh so much better. Or, in the event that the collateral damage is too huge from that, bitch slapping is always an alternative.
So you justify something that doesn't make sense because they couldn't think of better alternatives? That's a pretty lame excuse...
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Old 2011-05-06, 14:32   Link #2029
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Btw. about shooting bullets on the plane... I was also skeptical at first but both of them are supposed to be really skilled so I don't think they would have accidently destroyed the windows. Besides, wasn't it mentioned that point blank range was needed for the bullets to actually do noticable damage? The gun fight made most sense to me compared to the alternatives (katana, barehand).
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Old 2011-05-06, 14:33   Link #2030
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I know it was established in episode 1. I just felt the need to point out that it's still ridiculous.
That's like saying it's ridiculous a caterpillar turns into a butterfly. It's pointless.



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Didn't know that. Also ridiculous.
Even in real life, law enforcement can bring guns on a plane in certain situations. In any case, Kinji just barged in.


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I'm not talking about her retarded ego issues. I'm talking about how she could've possibly known Aria would be there to save Kinji from the bike incident before anyone else, that Kinji would go into Hysteria mode and that Kinji wouldn't just change the time on the clock instead of the watch. There are so many other variables not taken into account. It's really incredibly lucky that Riko's plan actually worked.
Riko clearly said she broadcast a unique signal that let Aria know about the incident with Kinji, so that's why she was there.


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But he had enough time to scream Aria's name like a spastic?
You'd be surprised what people do.
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Old 2011-05-06, 14:40   Link #2031
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But he had enough time to scream Aria's name like a spastic?
Yeah, I guess. It's retarded that he didn't save her instead of spending his breath to scream her name in shock, but yes, I suppose he had enough time to say something, rather than move.

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So you justify something that doesn't make sense because they couldn't think of better alternatives? That's a pretty lame excuse...
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Old 2011-05-06, 14:42   Link #2032
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I'm not talking about her retarded ego issues. I'm talking about how she could've possibly known Aria would be there to save Kinji from the bike incident before anyone else, that Kinji would go into Hysteria mode and that Kinji wouldn't just change the time on the clock instead of the watch. There are so many other variables not taken into account. It's really incredibly lucky that Riko's plan actually worked.
Aria is hunting the Butei Killer to help her mother. It makes absolute sense that if she had a way of tracking her which Aria did that she would be the one on the case to save Kinji.

Also about Kinji realizing Aria was in danger. He realized it because his brother was the one that he knew of targeted by the butei killer and he saw the parallel with Aria. Seriously Hysteria Mode Kinji is basically ridiculous tier mental processing.
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Old 2011-05-06, 14:50   Link #2033
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To be honest a smart enough guy wouldn't even need hysteria mode to connect the strings. I mean, the fact that Riko called him out suddenly and then acted in that confronting way was strange to begin with. Her hints were rather linear I think. And I believe if it wasn't for his hysteria mode she wouldn't have acted so erotic because normally that would distract the hell out of you.
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Old 2011-05-06, 14:54   Link #2034
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Actually, she called him for a good reason, though it wasn't said.

True it's obvious, but I think we need to think as the MC, first of all, he has no reason to doubt Riko, aside her hentai character she never has been a threat for him.
Without forgetting, there's a difference between "suspecting something is wrong" and "being sure something is wrong."
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Did the Butei Killer just attack using HAIR? How the hell does that work? My can hair move?
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Old 2011-05-06, 15:02   Link #2036
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About shooting in planes, it's not as bad as Hollywood usually shows, unless you take out both pilots, communication system and its backup

So apart from that I completely agree with Haak. But having a silly plot/concept, does not make a show completely worthless, it still has cute girls, and occasional animation... like any other action film
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Old 2011-05-06, 15:02   Link #2037
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Btw. about shooting bullets on the plane... I was also skeptical at first but both of them are supposed to be really skilled so I don't think they would have accidently destroyed the windows. Besides, wasn't it mentioned that point blank range was needed for the bullets to actually do noticable damage? The gun fight made most sense to me compared to the alternatives (katana, barehand).
Actually a sword fight would've made more sense.

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That's like saying it's ridiculous a caterpillar turns into a butterfly. It's pointless.
Oh I see. So Hysteria mode by aruosal has an amazing amount of scientific explanation behind it?

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Even in real life, law enforcement can bring guns on a plane in certain situations. In any case, Kinji just barged in.
Yes but they're not law enforcement They're juvenile mercernaries. And Aria didn't barge in.

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Riko clearly said she broadcast a unique signal that let Aria know about the incident with Kinji, so that's why she was there.
Oh right. The fan sub I got simply said "obvious signal".

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You'd be surprised what people do.
So he's just like that then? Fine, if they go down that ruote and have Kinji realise what a worthless piece of shit he is atm (which seems to be the route they're going to go anyway) then fine.

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Yeah, I guess. It's retarded that he didn't save her instead of spending his breath to scream her name in shock, but yes, I suppose he had enough time to say something, rather than move.

フィクションです〜

Translation: Fiction desu~

Supernatural fiction, to make matters worse.
The more grounded in reality a story is, the more believable it is and thus the more it can be appreciated. I'm no culture alien. I'm aware that this show isn't meant for everyone, especially not me. That doesn't mean my opinion is worthless.

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Aria is hunting the Butei Killer to help her mother. It makes absolute sense that if she had a way of tracking her which Aria did that she would be the one on the case to save Kinji.

Also about Kinji realizing Aria was in danger. He realized it because his brother was the one that he knew of targeted by the butei killer and he saw the parallel with Aria. Seriously Hysteria Mode Kinji is basically ridiculous tier mental processing.
So all he had as a basis was a parralel? I sure hope they don't use public transportation ever again, not if Riko is still on the loose.
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Old 2011-05-06, 15:09   Link #2038
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Actually a sword fight would've made more sense.
Maybe, but it's not like they had a choice, Riko was the one imposing the pace, against somebody who use gun, you won't go with a knife ... aside if you want to die.

How she uses hair you ask ? Well ... I wonder ... why does the sun rise? Why does the moon shine? How HSS works anyway? ... No really, i shouldn't say that.
Well it's a super power ... things common in fiction things, my bad if you thought it would only be gun and katana.
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Old 2011-05-06, 15:13   Link #2039
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-a bullet won't pierce a plane ... you know, it's not made of paper...
You do know why firing a gun in a plan is an extremely bad idea right? Inside an airplane, in particular those for commercial use are pressurized cabins, Airplanes are mostly made of Aluminum, bullets can and will more than likely puncture the craft. If the hole is made in the right spot it'll cause a massive vacuum that can literally tear the plane apart like a black hole.
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