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Old 2011-05-08, 23:13   Link #10221
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But didn't Laura say at the end of 22 that she though they had killed him?
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Old 2011-05-08, 23:44   Link #10222
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Aleister didn't want him to stay alive, and by failing to kill him, that's basically his fatal mistake. He knew how dangerous to him and his plans Fiamma could be
Didn't Aleister try to kill Fiamma because he'd glimpsed "The Invisible Thing" though?
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Old 2011-05-08, 23:50   Link #10223
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But didn't Laura say at the end of 22 that she though they had killed him?
Well, Fiamma also was killed by Aleister .
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Old 2011-05-09, 00:02   Link #10224
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Wouldn't it be funny if the one to finally do Aleister in is the one guy that's never a part of his plan but always screwing with it? That's right, I say it's Hamazura Shiage that would defeat Crowley.


That aside, it would be fun to see Academy City fight with Necessarius, both of them are shown to be fairly competent, and their leaders are both masters of manipulations. I honestly don't know who will come out on top.
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Old 2011-05-09, 00:04   Link #10225
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I'd love to see Shiage be the one to do in Aleister. And it would be somewhat poetic too, especially since he's already shot Aleister's plans to all hell.
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Old 2011-05-09, 00:05   Link #10226
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Didn't Aleister try to kill Fiamma because he'd glimpsed "The Invisible Thing" though?
I'm making the point that Aleister knows about Imagine Breaker's true potential, and having someone like Fiamma know about it would be dangerous. That, and the fact Fiamma still is one of the most powerful characters in the series when he is merely in the Age of Osiris.

Fiamma now holds valueless pieces of informations: what Imagine Breaker seals and Aleister's Aeon. Again, which is why Ollerus saved him.
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That, and the fact Fiamma still is one of the most powerful characters in the series when he is merely in the Age of Osiris.
And the fact that Fiamma attained La Persona Superiore a Dio probably terrified Aleister.
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Old 2011-05-09, 00:14   Link #10228
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And the fact that Fiamma attained La Persona Superiore a Dio probably terrified Aleister.
Aleister implies (or outright claims, not sure) that he is in a position above that thanks to his Horus Age.
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Old 2011-05-09, 00:18   Link #10229
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And the fact that Fiamma attained La Persona Superiore a Dio probably terrified Aleister.
And the fact that the rest of Volume 1 was finished by js06.

3/4-joking aside, I think that Aleister just views Fiamma as more of an annoyance instead of a threat. It seems like it's the same as with Shiage, but of course Fiamma's way stronger than Shiage. Basically, we haven't really seen Aleister's plans gone to whack. That guy's planning is like 'Xanatos Gambit' + 'Xanatos Speed Chess' + 'Indy Ploy'...
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Aleister implies (or outright claims, not sure) that he is in a position above that thanks to his Horus Age.
No, I mean: If Fiamma shifted into the Age of Horus, would he surpass Aleister in power?
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Old 2011-05-09, 00:22   Link #10231
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Hypothetically, from what we can infer from Aleister's words, yes.
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Old 2011-05-09, 01:07   Link #10232
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Wouldn't it be funny if the one to finally do Aleister in is the one guy that's never a part of his plan but always screwing with it? That's right, I say it's Hamazura Shiage that would defeat Crowley.
I swear I would really love the day with Aleister going NOOOOOOOOOOOO.jpg and Shiage ending as the biggest troll ever .

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3/4-joking aside, I think that Aleister just views Fiamma as more of an annoyance instead of a threat. It seems like it's the same as with Shiage, but of course Fiamma's way stronger than Shiage. Basically, we haven't really seen Aleister's plans gone to whack. That guy's planning is like 'Xanatos Gambit' + 'Xanatos Speed Chess' + 'Indy Ploy'...
Annoyance becames threats once you fail to rid them off. And Aleister has failed to rid off them both.

Aiwass was implying since its debut that Aleister's plans are starting to fall while at same time he is checking once and once again fixing every single change on them.

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Hypothetically, from what we can infer from Aleister's words, yes.
Thus appeared himself to solve the problem but failed.


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It felt like a hymen being forcibly torn apart, with a type of indescribable pain. From all over the room, something came out from the “crack” to look at Kamijou.
Why the author did use the word "hymen" among the several words out there?
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Baka-Tsuki is down again.
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Old 2011-05-09, 02:02   Link #10234
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Aiwass said already that the power he has will no longer forever.
But it seems intent on foiling Aleister's plans for whatever reason so it still doesn't mean it will willingly hand over it's knowledge and power...

Fianma is a threat alright....he may be, even with the complete Holy Right, still below Al but you don't let such a being live if he is your enemy.....he's still alive.
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BTW....

Why the author did use the word "hymen" among the several words out there?
Assuming this isn't another case of transator flavor, the author often use some rather unconventional metaphors.

Remember how Accelerator described Kihara inputing a virus into Last Order's brain is worse than if he had shot his full load into her?
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Old 2011-05-09, 03:10   Link #10236
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Assuming this isn't another case of transator flavor, the author often use some rather unconventional metaphors.

Remember how Accelerator described Kihara inputing a virus into Last Order's brain is worse than if he had shot his full load into her?
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Old 2011-05-09, 03:13   Link #10237
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...The statement stands for itself.

But if you need a hint- not bullets.
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Old 2011-05-09, 03:14   Link #10238
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...The statement stands for itself.

But if you need a hint- not bullets.
thanks, the hint helped out a lot
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I choose to chalk all such instances up to poor translator choice.
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Old 2011-05-09, 03:35   Link #10240
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I choose to chalk all such instances up to poor translator choice.
The hymen part was in volume 1, right? I don't remember seeing that in the original (not ヒーメン and not 処女膜 ) ...

Can someone name the volume / chapters / parts of the comments? I want to look at it more calmly later (well, with Baka Tsuki down I can't look it up right now anyway).
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