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Old 2011-05-14, 02:18   Link #13681
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http://www.gmanews.tv/story/220554/n...uino-to-marcos

This is getting ridiculous with each passing day, which means that the Church here is showing just how backward they are, as both sides are fighting over the reproductive rights of women, even to the point of calling names: if the clergy call Aquino a "Marcos", is the Church the "Taliban" or the "Inquisition"?
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Old 2011-05-14, 02:57   Link #13682
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When one or two people don't get it and the rest do... there's a different answer the forum readers might have. Especially when the repeated demonstration of it provides precise examples of Jinto's observation.
hmm...."forum readers" "one or two." I see what you did there.
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Old 2011-05-14, 07:21   Link #13683
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Old 2011-05-14, 10:02   Link #13684
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Its funny since this is not an USA only problem. We had the same thing called colloquial "Vorratsdatenspeicherungsgesetz" (in reality the name is a lot longer... "Gesetz zur Neuregelung der Telekommunikationsüberwachung und anderer verdeckter Ermittlungsmaßnahmen sowie zur Umsetzung der Richtlinie 2006/24/EG" ) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telecom...data_retention.
Anyway, our constitutional court shot it down in 2010. Tools like retention of telecomunications data should not be used in a democracy imo. Its not per se bad, but it reduces the hurdles for the conversion into a police state (corporate police state) by at least one step and is inherently dangerous for a democracy. So I am basically less conerned about higher costs actually (storage is kinda cheap these days).
Wait how do you pronounce that? Supercalifragilisticexpladio...oh, forget it. From the sound of it I bet it is something atrocious.

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hmm...."forum readers" "one or two." I see what you did there.
You might want to retract that personal attack before you get the bahnhammer.
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Old 2011-05-14, 10:46   Link #13685
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Wait how do you pronounce that? Supercalifragilisticexpladio...oh, forget it. From the sound of it I bet it is something atrocious.
You should read Mark Twain's essay called "The aweful German Language".
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Old 2011-05-14, 11:10   Link #13686
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You should read Mark Twain's essay called "The aweful German Language".
I read that one a long time ago, it is hilarious. In today's context (or maybe in the context of the time during the Weimar Republic), that essay would have been called an attempt at flammenkrieg.

Of course, there are even worse German words I can think of, like

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Nonetheless, I find that the longer terms are, or more ambiguous the combination of words used, the more likely it is going to refer to something atrocious or incredibly silly. Like "political correctness" (which form of politics is correct anyway?), "quantitative easing" (it means printing money, but I used it to refer to flat-chested girls when I am with my friends), or sometimes in the form of acronyms like COICA (it seems to be pronounced like "cocker", and the rationale behind that IS certainly dangling nuts).

What is wrong with keeping things simple (unless you are talking about it in the context of technical science and engineering, or simply want to annoy the heck for the sake of non-serious lulz)?
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Old 2011-05-14, 21:30   Link #13687
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NY police say Iinternational Money Found head Strauss-Kahn in custody.
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Old 2011-05-15, 05:29   Link #13688
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NY police say Iinternational Money Found head Strauss-Kahn in custody.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/...74D29F20110515
The funniest thing about it is that there's a good chance what the voters will have the hardest time forgiving isn't the sexual assault: it's that he was in a $3000/night suite. A few weeks ago, he rode a porsche, and we're still talking about it. (Or were, till the whole attempted rape thing...)
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Old 2011-05-15, 05:42   Link #13689
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Being a womanizer is something that doesn't matter here, we don't select our president because of his private life.

But rape is something else, if it's true, he is dead in the political way. So far, it's his voice against the maid one, I believe the cops will do their job.

Hmm, the only issue is that we all know a certain woman who will love to use that to increase in popularity.
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Old 2011-05-15, 07:16   Link #13690
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Is he running for something?
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Old 2011-05-15, 07:23   Link #13691
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Is he running for something?
He was probably going to run for president. (Well, if he could get past the primaries for the Socialist Party.)
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Old 2011-05-15, 07:32   Link #13692
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Ah I see. Staying $3000 hotel rooms doesn't really jive with the Socialist ethos does it?

The rape charge just adds insult to injury.

And he's in in charge of the IMF, which is, almost the exact opposite of Socialist in terms of the policies it encourages in reciever states.

How is this guy part of the Socialist party?
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Old 2011-05-15, 07:45   Link #13693
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Being socialist doesn't mean to redeem the liberalist way. It's just the "workers" have more right, not being used, limit in the time you can work, ackwowledge of some works being physically harder than other, university aren't private, our health system and a lot of others things, in a nutshell it would be "equal sharing of the money gained".

So you can indeed, belong to the IMF and be socialist. Same way for being "rich" and paying high class suite or riding a porsche ( though it's true it made some noise )

So far it hasn't be proved he is guilty yet.
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Old 2011-05-15, 08:34   Link #13694
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Being socialist doesn't mean to redeem the liberalist way. It's just the "workers" have more right, not being used, limit in the time you can work, ackwowledge of some works being physically harder than other, university aren't private, our health system and a lot of others things, in a nutshell it would be "equal sharing of the money gained".

So you can indeed, belong to the IMF and be socialist. Same way for being "rich" and paying high class suite or riding a porsche ( though it's true it made some noise )

So far it hasn't be proved he is guilty yet.
I don't know, all the socialists around here hate the IMF with a passion. Even before they bailed us out.

IMF usually forces their receivers to cut public services like healthcare, which doesn't go down well with most of the socialists I know. My impression of French Socialists is that they're much the same, if not more leftist.
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Old 2011-05-15, 08:38   Link #13695
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Old 2011-05-15, 08:49   Link #13696
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Syria and Lebanon are just throwing strawmen to divert attention from domestic revolutions back at home. I bet those rioters at the borders are paid by their government.
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Old 2011-05-15, 08:52   Link #13697
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Syria and Lebanon are just throwing strawmen to divert attention from domestic revolutions back at home. I bet those rioters at the borders are paid by their government.
they aren't paying them, these are the decedents of Palestinian refugees that are still denied Lebanese and Syria citizenship for decades, and they are bringing them to the border by the bus load.

in one case, at the Syrian border, they actually managed to break into Israeli territory, and are now in the process of being rounded up and returned.

sadly, several deaths are involved.
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Old 2011-05-15, 09:44   Link #13698
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I read that one a long time ago, it is hilarious. In today's context (or maybe in the context of the time during the Weimar Republic), that essay would have been called an attempt at flammenkrieg.
As hilarious as it is, it shows how complicated the language is. When I was reading the direct translation of the fishwife tale I realized how nonsensical the usage of articles is - for a non-native speaker (more often than not articles seem to be chosen to flow with the phonetics of the noun rather than its' meaning or because of other aspects, like e.g. diferentation between "das Mädchen" the girl (singular) and "die Mädchen" the girls (plural)).

By the way, the direct translation of flame war doesn't work (lets say I've never heard it yet). Dict.cc translates it into "unsachliche Auseinandersetzung mit persönlichen Beleidigungen" which basically describes whats happening. In fact there is a word in german that describes this sufficiently: Verbalattacke.

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Of course, there are even worse German words I can think of, like

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Which is the reason why there exists many substitutes for it. I'ld even take a bet on it and claim that "Nippel" (germanized nipple - but also has another meaning fitting/union) is at least 2 times more often used than "Brustwarze" in the literature... and in spoken german anyway.

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Nonetheless, I find that the longer terms are, or more ambiguous the combination of words used, the more likely it is going to refer to something atrocious or incredibly silly. Like "political correctness" (which form of politics is correct anyway?), "quantitative easing" (it means printing money, but I used it to refer to flat-chested girls when I am with my friends), or sometimes in the form of acronyms like COICA (it seems to be pronounced like "cocker", and the rationale behind that IS certainly dangling nuts).

What is wrong with keeping things simple (unless you are talking about it in the context of technical science and engineering, or simply want to annoy the heck for the sake of non-serious lulz)?
I wouldn't say political correctness. Its more like elitism. Even for the average german native speaker these terms are a nuisance, because they are hard to read and even hard to understand.
Now I am not saying impossible to understand or very hard to understand (as single word)... but consider this:

You are reading a law, and every 4th or 5th word is such a construction. When you start to decipher the last word of the sentence, you've basically already forgotten how it started. And the overall length of these sentences (1 paragraph) and the structuring doesn't help either. So, many people (that includes me) have to read these sentences 3 or more times to actually understand them in its entirety.

Such constructs do not speak a language of understanding. Which is especially unnerving since they are used allover in laws and contracts. Something everyone should be able to understand.
Now, most german lawyers will tell you that this is a necessity, because otherwise the correctness, completeness and precission of what is said cannot be guaranteed.
I say, that is a bullshit excuse for elitism. I have yet to stumble over such a monstrosity that I cannot transform in a simpler, easier to understand form without loosing information of the original or adding information to it.
It just takes a lot of my time to restructure it - probably the same time the author needed to encode that monster.
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Old 2011-05-15, 09:57   Link #13699
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You should read Mark Twain's essay called "The aweful German Language".
German is an evil language. It's a language based entirely around the fact that it's easy to sound like you want to murder someone when talking. You observe this kind of thing in the dubs of certain Disney musicals. Certain songs just come off better in certain languages, based on the composition of those languages. German really suits itself well to conveying the dark and vile.



This is like 1.75X creepier/more intimidating than the original english version. All because it's in the German language.
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Old 2011-05-15, 10:23   Link #13700
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German is an evil language. It's a language based entirely around the fact that it's easy to sound like you want to murder someone when talking. You observe this kind of thing in the dubs of certain Disney musicals. Certain songs just come off better in certain languages, based on the composition of those languages. German really suits itself well to conveying the dark and vile.
While I have to admit that there is some truth in what you say (there are examples like Rammstein, or this classic 01:25 into the clip ), on that particular point Mark Twain was of a completely different opinion.

He wrote: "I think that a description of any loud, stirring, tumultuous episode must be tamer in German than in English. Our descriptive words of this character have such a deep, strong, resonant sound, while their German equivalents do seem so thin and mild and energyless. Boom, burst, crash, roar, storm, bellow, blow, thunder, explosion; howl, cry, shout, yell, groan; battle, hell. These are magnificent words; the have a force and magnitude of sound befitting the things which they describe. But their German equivalents would be ever so nice to sing the children to sleep with..."
Which indicates, that he knows german in a written rather than spoken form.
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