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Old 2011-05-18, 20:03   Link #961
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great shows which came out in 2010 that not either moe/harem nor shonen actiony:
Durarara!, Tatami galaxy, Shiki, Kuragehime, Hourou Musuko... I can go on.
Even when last year is not a great one in terms of series that came out, we still got a fair amount of gems. The industry is not as bleak as you would think

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If you look at it as a coming of age story with great characters, it's the same type of story as Onani Master Kurosawa.
oh OMK.....
As much as I love the manga and would love to see an adaptation, i think it's impossible due to the content. Then again, I would so love a studio to give it a try, even if it's a 6 OVA series.
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Old 2011-05-18, 20:07   Link #962
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Oh I know very well how the industry works. Like most industries, it panders to the base it makes the most money from, and the money-making base happens to be the crazy obsessive otakus and the teenage boys who watch shonen action shows.

This really isn't the place for this discussion. I came in here to express frustration at the fact that apparently, things changed so drastically what was being released before is no longer now. A few years ago I used to be always following at least one show. It's not happening anymore. My tastes haven't really changed that much--if anything, they've expanded, because I can actually get some enjoyment from plotless/slice-of-life romance and comedy, and I used to hate all of it.

I really shouldn't have expected this show to be anything more than it is, but I didn't know about the LN, I only knew that the message it was sending me gave off a very intense Higurashi/Umineko vibe of "counting the minutes until mutilated corpses start showing up" and I thought I'd be into an extraterrestrial thriller/mystery.

I got the wrong idea. Sorry if that offends you so goddamned much. I'm not watching the show anymore, anyway--it's not what I'm interested in. I don't like this kind of story, and it seems that this kind of story is everywhere now. I can't escape it, and that's where the hostility and frustration comes from.

And I am not a guy--perhaps if you thought about that for a minute, you might have more easily realized why these kind of shows can be offensive to people.
You clearly didn't read anything I said. So, this discussion is over. Done.

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All right, all right, I'm just saying I don't like it, and never would have bothered if I hadn't been sold a bill of goods on what the show supposedly contained!
It doesn't really change the fact that you are attacking show in completely ridiculous ideas that does not affect the quality of the show at-all.

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Old 2011-05-18, 20:21   Link #963
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If it's not asking too much, by any chance, would anyone here still like to talk about the show?

Not what genre it is or how crap anime has become or what you think of SHAFT but, you know, the show itself? What happened this week, what we think may happen next week, that sort of thing?

Just curious...
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Old 2011-05-18, 20:26   Link #964
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If it's not asking too much, by any chance, would anyone here still like to talk about the show?

Not what genre it is or how crap anime has become or what you think of SHAFT but, you know, the show itself? What happened this week, what we think may happen next week, that sort of thing?

Just curious...
I really hoped that would be the only discussion that I would meet in this thread. Sadly, someone brought up moe issues and 'animation industry is rotten!' argument, which logical people can never buy. Otherwise, it could have been all fine.

The recent episode itself was stronger than last one, as even though there wasn't really much of development in plot itself (as usual), there were much well written dialogs by Meme, which made me smile through the entire episode. Erio and Meme is just gorgeous.

I don't think there will be any significant development in plot through this series. Erio and Makoto is probably the only characters who can develop and change in this series. However, that's what character driven show is about; interaction between eccentric people in enjoyable and interesting way.
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Old 2011-05-18, 20:48   Link #965
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This is just random guessing, but for some reason the girl in the spacesuit at the opening gives me the impression she was the one that lead to Erio's dissapearance back then and made Erio believe she was an alien. Of course that can't be true she is to be added to the harem???
You mean the grey-haired girl from the OP?



She hasn't appeared so far. What makes you think she would be responsible for Erio's disappearance?

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Edit: Sorry SHAFT, but Puella Magi Madoka Magica set a new standard for your work. Producing this... after achieving that level of excellence is just a shame.
I strongly disagree. The only standard which Madoka set is a new standard for massive trolling by the staff
That massive trolling was a real shame , which made me eventually drop the series when the trolling got too bad towards the end, with tha alien crap and such

I can only say that I enjoy Denpa Onna a huge deal more than Madoka.
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Old 2011-05-18, 20:57   Link #966
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I strongly disagree. The only standard which Madoka set is a new standard for massive trolling by the staff
Umm, I say definitely not a case. Shaft and Urobuchi's trolling 'FAILED' already when Urobuchi's name was even mentioned. In Japan, when 3rd episode was happened, there were more people who was going 'expected from Urobuchi wwwwwww' then 'OMG WE ALL TROLLED'. If they were really trolling, they should've really made Hidamari with Magic then thriller animation.
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Old 2011-05-18, 21:16   Link #967
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You mean the grey-haired girl from the OP?



She hasn't appeared so far. What makes you think she would be responsible for Erio's disappearance?
Yes that girl.

It's just my suspicion they never work out all too well and just the fact she is wearing an astronauts suit brought it up. Besides they will eventually (or probably will not?) state what happened to Erio while she disappeared, and suspecting the character that hasn't appeared yet in the anime is always how I go about things.
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Old 2011-05-18, 21:49   Link #968
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Yes that girl.

It's just my suspicion they never work out all too well and just the fact she is wearing an astronauts suit brought it up. Besides they will eventually (or probably will not?) state what happened to Erio while she disappeared, and suspecting the character that hasn't appeared yet in the anime is always how I go about things.
I see... what has become of "innocent until proven guilty"?
I wonder when they'll introduce her - but I doubt she's got anything to do with Erio's kidnapping (or whatever it was).

I'd say that spacesuit is just cosplay, just the other girl (Maekawa) who also frequently does cosplay.
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Old 2011-05-18, 21:57   Link #969
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Umm, I say definitely not a case. Shaft and Urobuchi's trolling 'FAILED' already when Urobuchi's name was even mentioned. In Japan, when 3rd episode was happened, there were more people who was going 'expected from Urobuchi wwwwwww' then 'OMG WE ALL TROLLED'. If they were really trolling, they should've really made Hidamari with Magic then thriller animation.
They did it, just search some on Niconico and the Hidamari vs ZSZ thing .
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Old 2011-05-18, 22:11   Link #970
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I see... what has become of "innocent until proven guilty"?
I wonder when they'll introduce her - but I doubt she's got anything to do with Erio's kidnapping (or whatever it was).

I'd say that spacesuit is just cosplay, just the other girl (Maekawa) who also frequently does cosplay.
It doesn't apply to me! Besides, I can't sentence them for my crazy suspicions

True, another flaw of my accusation there
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Old 2011-05-18, 22:41   Link #971
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...Besides Madoka, the last series (chronologically) that I really, truly cared about was The Daughter of Twenty Faces. That show was put out two years ago.... Why the obsession with this daily-life cute-comedy, romance and wish-fulfillment harems? Why can't I get strong female characters who aren't sexually objectified in one manner or another? Male characters who aren't loser-wimps?

If it's not moe dramedy--which, I might add, I do not hate, as I quite enjoyed Clannad--it's Naruto or Shana clones. Or it's a harem show where every girl has a serious craving for the loser-guy protagonist. Does nothing else make money? Should I just go back to reading books and screw all moving-picture media?
I kind of agree with this, except that I don't mind as much, since I enjoy this stuff, too. It's great to see someone mention Daughter of Twenty-Faces, since I enjoyed that show. It had its faults, but I liked it. And it was three years ago, lol.

I think popular literature of all kinds, written and visual, drama and anime, is rooted in wish fulfillment, so we're never going to get away from that. It's more a matter of whose wishes are being fulfilled. Maybe it has to do with who the producers are, and maybe with who makes up the bulk of the current anime audience, and maybe with the expense of making grander shows (e.g., Sunrise space opera) that can succeed.

Shiki was not that horrifying, and did not have the kind of heroine you might prefer, but I thought it was good. And there's a new Blood series show coming this summer.

As for going back to reading books, I'm doing some of that myself. There is a wider range of good stories there. But I still like this show and Steins;Gate, among others this season. (It's hard to say whether it's the guy or one of the girls there that has the harem, lol.) I do think Denpa is one show whose protagonist is not a "loser-wimp." Not a traditional active "hero," either, though.

Anyway, I'm looking forward to another episode of Denpa Onna tomorrow. How will Erio change? Will grandma be "cattle-mutilated?" Will space-suit girl show up? Is it really Maekawa-san's father who is unemployed and setting off bottle-rockets? Why was Meme depressed?
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Old 2011-05-19, 00:52   Link #972
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Anyway, I'm looking forward to another episode of Denpa Onna tomorrow. How will Erio change? Will grandma be "cattle-mutilated?" Will space-suit girl show up? Is it really Maekawa-san's father who is unemployed and setting off bottle-rockets? Why was Meme depressed?
Exactly, this thread has derailed quite a bit and since people have already expressed their stances (not going to change on both sides), I'd like everybody to sit down for a moment and relax. In a few hours a new episode of Denpa Onna will be here for us to rejoice and providing ground for fresh discussions.
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Old 2011-05-19, 07:48   Link #973
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All right, all right, I'm just saying I don't like it, and never would have bothered if I hadn't been sold a bill of goods on what the show supposedly contained!
Just out of curiosity, who the hell sold you that bill of goods? Certainly not Shaft, so I don't know why you're blaming them. A quick glance at the synopsis and the promo images was enough to tell what kind of show it was going to be. Even if you went into it completely blind, the first episode should have been enough for you to notice it wasn't what you wanted it to be. Even though it was still a bit unclear whether Erio was an alien or a nutcase, the tone had already been set.

Eh, this is reminding of the whole Hanasaku debate. It's funny (and interesting) how differently people can interpret -or misinterpret- a first episode.

Anyway, to get back on topic. I predict The astronaut girl will just be some sort of space otaku, and will become good friends with Erio ( first friend, probably) since they share similar interests. She may even be the granddaughter of the old lady from last episode.
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Old 2011-05-19, 10:50   Link #974
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so who's the one shooting the rockets again?
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Old 2011-05-19, 11:34   Link #975
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so who's the one shooting the rockets again?
May be that space girl in the OP?
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Old 2011-05-19, 11:51   Link #976
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so who's the one shooting the rockets again?
I thought it was mentioned that it was "a middle aged man"....
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Old 2011-05-19, 12:27   Link #977
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It isn't a Shaft anime unless we have a twintail braid hair girl.
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Old 2011-05-19, 12:36   Link #978
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I thought it was mentioned that it was "a middle aged man"....
Ahh... Yes Maekawa said that. Gosh, reading discussion from various forum makes my memory fuzzy.
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Old 2011-05-19, 13:29   Link #979
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Ryuuko episode!
WOw, Shaft animators really knows how to pull out suggestive scenes where should be seen as normal with other studios.
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Old 2011-05-19, 14:01   Link #980
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Decided to catch up with this. It's one I was interested in giving a look at since the start of the season but I ended up not doing so. Can't really say why.

Anyway, to begin I have to say this is probably the most "normal" series from Shaft I've ever watched, though it's still easy to see their own style perks. Like weird "camera" positions, focus on things that don't need to be focused on, and incredibly awkward zoom-ins/close-ups on the characters.

As for the content itself, there's not a whole lot to it. Just about a young man named Makoto and his efforts at assisting his cousin to become a person who can contribute to society again after being a shut-in for so long.

But while there's really no plot presented, there IS a mystery, and that's Erio's case of amnesia. I can honestly say that I'm curious about that and hope the details will be revealed by the time this is over.

When it comes to the humour of the show, it's not really laugh-out-loud funny, but some jokes do manage to get me to smile or stifle a "HA!" every now and then. Good enough for me.~

So yeah, I'm gonna follow this one now. I don't know what part of me wanted to stall doing so, but I'm glad I watched it now anyway.~
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