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Old 2011-05-19, 21:41   Link #1001
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Does anyone remember Mahoraba: Heartful Days? The central heroine in that series had a substantial personality disorder the other tenants in the boarding house were just flexible about.
But anyone with a multiple personality disorder prob had a lot of trauma in the life causing the split. This show is adding a bit of realism with school reactions in it so flexiblility is not the order of the day here.
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Old 2011-05-19, 21:47   Link #1002
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Multiple Personality isn;t the same as A personality disorder
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Old 2011-05-19, 21:51   Link #1003
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Old 2011-05-19, 22:21   Link #1004
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Multiple Personality isn;t the same as A personality disorder
But the Mahoraba female MC character had a multiple personality disorder. I know the difference by the way.
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Old 2011-05-19, 22:25   Link #1005
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After ep. 6 Ryuushi needs to be dropped in a lake somewhere.

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Well, even if she said it due to jealousy, it is still true considering what we have been shown so far. Though, if Makoto ditches Erio, he can go to live in a ditch for all I care (he is in Meme's house after all ) Also there is a flash back of Erio shouts out something in the classroom, It could be hurtful to Ryuushi so I dont think we should throw judgement around yet or we may end up eating our words later

So Meme has a stalker and water is wet lol. Though, I dont think she is stress due to the stalker though.

Maekawa's parent owns a bar? where is my black bunny suit Maekawa?!

Niwa Makoto, where is your freaking teenager hormones? A sparking pretty girl wants to wrap in your futon and leaves the scent there for you to masturbate and you refuse?
Makoto in School Days must be rolling at the floor of the ocean for sharing the Makoto with you!


So the adults (Meme and Maekawa) leave the house so the children (Erio, Makoto, eand Ryuushi) can sort things out? Nice move, Miss Smooth and Silky! I hereby commence the cat girl fight! Just make sure to tear only clothes and not skins okay?
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Old 2011-05-19, 22:40   Link #1006
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Well, even if she said it due to jealousy, it is still true considering what we have been shown so far. Though, if Makoto ditches Erio, he can go to live in a ditch for all I care (he is in Meme's house after all ) Also there is a flash back of Erio shouts out something in the classroom, It could be hurtful to Ryuushi so I dont think we should throw judgement around yet or we may end up eating our words later
Even if Erio said something hurtful, blood is thicker than water. Never abandon your family. They didn't have to take him in either.

Grandma got it right. Today's friends can be tomorrow's enemies. So don't worry about having friends or not having friends or being alone. Just do what's right.
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Old 2011-05-19, 22:51   Link #1007
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Even if Erio said something hurtful, blood is thicker than water. Never abandon your family. They didn't have to take him in either.

Grandma got it right. Today's friends can be tomorrow's enemies. So don't worry about having friends or not having friends or being alone. Just do what's right.
That is why I said if he ditches Erio, he would live in a ditch. Also, it is easy to say do what is right but when you have a whole society which you have to fit in to find job, spouse and other stuff, it is not as easy as it sound anymore, especially in Asia.

And I may get off track here, I dont know if blood is thicker than water or not, I am pretty sure there isnt a shortage of betrayal or conflicts within family members IRL and when it comes to it, the only one you can trust is yourself.
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Old 2011-05-19, 23:26   Link #1008
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oh, a "male-lead" who doesn't hide his porn stash under his bed, now that's new.
but, wait a sec...

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Look for my porn collection or something!
Should I take that as a "confession"? So there actually is one... c'mon, just be honest to yourself for once.

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After ep. 6 Ryuushi needs to be dropped in a lake somewhere.

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sadly, that's how it goes IRL most of the times...

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And I may get off track here, I dont know if blood is thicker than water or not, I am pretty sure there isnt a shortage of betrayal or conflicts within family members IRL and when it comes to it, the only one you can trust is yourself.
another sad truth.

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Niwa Makoto, where is your freaking teenager hormones? A sparking pretty girl wants to wrap in your futon and leaves the scent there for you to masturbate and you refuse?
Makoto in School Days must be rolling at the floor of the ocean for sharing the Makoto with you!
if that Makoto was in this show, by now, he would've already.... oh well, guess you can easily figure out the rest.
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Old 2011-05-19, 23:39   Link #1009
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Do you guys think we're actually supposed to believe she has some sort of actual personality disorder? Originally I thought she was just a standard eccentric character but the way other characters shun her leads me to believe it might actually be the case, her actions are far far out of the normal range in this show's universe.
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But anyone with a multiple personality disorder prob had a lot of trauma in the life causing the split. This show is adding a bit of realism with school reactions in it so flexiblility is not the order of the day here.
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But the Mahoraba female MC character had a multiple personality disorder. I know the difference by the way.

Um... I was simply saying there have been other anime with characters who had actual disorders or mental illness and used Mahoraba as an example. Just to say it was within the realm of possibility, not comparing the specific type of disorder.
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Old 2011-05-19, 23:53   Link #1010
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That is why I said if he ditches Erio, he would live in a ditch. Also, it is easy to say do what is right but when you have a whole society which you have to fit in to find job, spouse and other stuff, it is not as easy as it sound anymore, especially in Asia.

And I may get off track here, I dont know if blood is thicker than water or not, I am pretty sure there isnt a shortage of betrayal or conflicts within family members IRL and when it comes to it, the only one you can trust is yourself.
And also why you have the phrase "Bros before <bleep>."

Erio doesn't have a "whole society" against her in the title just one little town. Erio and Meme should just move to another town if Erio has problems getting back into society.

Blood is thicker than water. It's when you forget about your family that's when you really get into trouble as your family is the one that unconditionally accepts you in most circumstances. (Excluding the dysfunctional ones that are out to get you in one way or the other.)
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Old 2011-05-19, 23:54   Link #1011
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Despite her cuteness, Erio is still somewhat annoying, getting better though. Ryuushi being jealous of Erio was quite hilarious, it was like kindergarten. As for Maekawa, I don't know, she looks like having more fun observing and teasing everyone else. But yeah, best part was mochi-mochi sensei (somehow translated as miss)
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Old 2011-05-20, 00:12   Link #1012
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I love it that there is so much serious stuff lurking under the highly comic surface here. It floored me that Makoto would start seriously considering the idea that Erio is bad for his school life -- but it's something the guy who counts up "youth points" would really do, and it's perfectly reasonable, in that Japanese context.

I was also floored that Ryuushi would go so far as to try to pry Makoto away from Erio in such a low way, but that is also reasonable and likely. However, it was great to see her wrestling with her evil intent, and incapable of hiding it from Makoto.

I did say earlier that I loved the animation touches here, and I do, but now that I have seen a full-size version, I can see places where the drawing is pretty off: legs in particular. No wonder they needed four animation directors to check things over. These standard Shaft TV-version problems are, of course, a big topic of conversation in the world of 2channel, where this show still continues to limp along in about eighth place among this season's shows.

As for Maekawa, she does just get better and better. Not just her actions and personality, but the excellent work of her seiyuu, the relative unknown Fuchigami Mai. I don't know what kind of range she has, but she's just great in this role.

She did a radio show with Oogame Asuka (Erio) in 2009-10 and has had a dozen or so minor roles from 2009 to the present, including several in Sora no Manima ni. But her main named role was as Asagiri Kaname in the forgettable Ookamikakushi. She attended the well-known Yoyogi animation school, and was with a branch of the Sigma Seven agency for a while, but is now independent, it appears, which seems like a disadvantage in her career.
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As for Maekawa, now that we know where she works in the evenings, I would think a black bunny outfit highly likely.

But no matter how good she looks and acts, and how interesting Ryuuko is, Erio appears to be entirely composed of female pheromones. How could any male possibly resist her physical presence, in the long run? I expect to see Makoto with his face buried in his futon, before long.
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Old 2011-05-20, 00:44   Link #1013
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Erio doesn't have a "whole society" against her in the title just one little town. Erio and Meme should just move to another town if Erio has problems getting back into society.
It's not as easy to move to another area as some might think. It takes money to move to another area, make a down payment on the new home or apartment, water and electricity utilities, and possibly the new school. Unless the Touwa family has the extra money and connections with friends or family in another town, I highly doubt they can just move.

If they don't know anyone anywhere else, moving can be just as costly. Why should they leave a town they've been living in for a large portion of their lives to go to a new area with no one they know? When Makoto moved, he at least knew of Meme. Does Meme or Erio have any other place to live?
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Old 2011-05-20, 00:47   Link #1014
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I love it that there is so much serious stuff lurking under the highly comic surface here. It floored me that Makoto would start seriously considering the idea that Erio is bad for his school life -- but it's something the guy who counts up "youth points" would really do, and it's perfectly reasonable, in that Japanese context.

I was also floored that Ryuushi would go so far as to try to pry Makoto away from Erio in such a low way, but that is also reasonable and likely. However, it was great to see her wrestling with her evil intent, and incapable of hiding it from Makoto.
I love your enthusiasm, though I confess it exceeds mine somewhat. You do indeed have those serious issues lurking under the surface - and they could be compelling ones. I do enjoy this a lot, but it seems to me that the series is a little too charming for it's own good, sometimes. The characters are gorgeously designed, a pleasure to look at. The seiyuu are spot-on. The animation is stylish and lush, the writing clever. But SHAFT isn't willing to turn down the charm, even for a minute - it's a non-stop onslaught of moe, lovable puckishness and madcap comedy. Ryuushi especially was quite edgy in this episode - some of her comments to Makkie and Erio crossed the line. That might be the beginning of a fairly tense situation - but tension just seems to melt away in the fluffiness here.

Again, just my two cents - I've decided to just accept the series as is, and enjoy it in that mindset. And there's lots to enjoy.
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Old 2011-05-20, 01:35   Link #1015
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oh, a "male-lead" who doesn't hide his porn stash under his bed, now that's new.
but, wait a sec...



Should I take that as a "confession"? So there actually is one... c'mon, just be honest to yourself for once.
After times and times of embarrassments, men have evolved to hide porn better in respond to the hostile predator known as women. Long live evolution!

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if that Makoto was in this show, by now, he would've already.... oh well, guess you can easily figure out the rest.
Kick out of the house during his first attempt by Meme? Come on, dont put Meme on the same scale as those girls in School Days.

It would be a kicker if the guy that stalks Meme is actually her husband, and he is just there to check up on Erio. I wouldnt give that pass this show lol
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Old 2011-05-20, 01:54   Link #1016
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Come on you guys give Ryushi a break, she's a girl in love.
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Old 2011-05-20, 02:33   Link #1017
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I love your enthusiasm, though I confess it exceeds mine somewhat. You do indeed have those serious issues lurking under the surface - and they could be compelling ones. I do enjoy this a lot, but it seems to me that the series is a little too charming for it's own good, sometimes. The characters are gorgeously designed, a pleasure to look at. The seiyuu are spot-on. The animation is stylish and lush, the writing clever. But SHAFT isn't willing to turn down the charm, even for a minute - it's a non-stop onslaught of moe, lovable puckishness and madcap comedy. Ryuushi especially was quite edgy in this episode - some of her comments to Makkie and Erio crossed the line. That might be the beginning of a fairly tense situation - but tension just seems to melt away in the fluffiness here.

Again, just my two cents - I've decided to just accept the series as is, and enjoy it in that mindset. And there's lots to enjoy.
From my point of view, charm and depth can coexist. Things do not have to be leaden and straightforward to convey emotional weight. Complexity of tone is part of what raises this show to a higher level for me. The tension has more effect by being contained and not breaking out into banal conflict. Of course, the delicious moe and weird comedy have lots of enjoyment value in themselves, as well.
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Old 2011-05-20, 03:37   Link #1018
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I loved how Erio tried to convince him to let her wrap herself in his futon by telling him her scent may stay on it. She knows him very well already
I'm sure he would have let her do it if Ryuuko and Maekawa hadn't been around.

This episode was very enjoyable. I'm liking Maekawa more and more. She's very assertive and doesn't care what other people think (if she did, she wouldn't even do those odd cosplays in the first place lol). On the other hand, I was a bit disappointed by Ryuushi's attitude, but I can understand it. Jealousy can be very hard to control. I hope she'll eventually overcome that jealousy as well as her fear of society's judgement and befriend Erio.

The dialogues seem to be getting better -loved the conversation between Makoto and the old lady- but there are still a few lines that are completely random and make no sense. The wordplays are pretty poor too. I know the author is a fan of Nisio, but he's nowhere near close to his level of wittiness.
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Old 2011-05-20, 03:54   Link #1019
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Haven't been watching past Episode 1 (and havent read the rest of the forum just in case I do want to pick it up again) because unless its handled with taste and sensitivity, I personally find that bad-parent characters in any medium make the show in question an uncomforable watch.

The worst part of what I seen so far, the violent abuse and cheerfully casual neglect on the mom's part is played for laughs.

Is she ever going to show ANY love, affection, kindness or even BASIC ATTENTION towards Erio, or should I just drop the series now and save myself a lot of spitting at the screen?
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Old 2011-05-20, 04:40   Link #1020
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Haven't been watching past Episode 1 (and havent read the rest of the forum just in case I do want to pick it up again) because unless its handled with taste and sensitivity, I personally find that bad-parent characters in any medium make the show in question an uncomforable watch.

The worst part of what I seen so far, the violent abuse and cheerfully casual neglect on the mom's part is played for laughs.

Is she ever going to show ANY love, affection, kindness or even BASIC ATTENTION towards Erio, or should I just drop the series now and save myself a lot of spitting at the screen?
Just watch the show, Meme is a great mother.
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