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NightGale · 2011-05-20, 19:04

Spoiler for Ice Block:

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Originally Posted by Ice Block

Nevermind the fact that you don't seem to understand how science works and that theories and concepts are never lost and are merely improved upon (there's a difference between peer-reviewed papers, even those not published, and crack theories, you know -- the former go to the history books, the latter go to the dustbin. New experiments are also constantly being designed to try and challenge existing models), Index's death would only mean that Necessarius would need to create a new grimoire library. Laura already has that covered.

Let's end the debate on developmental biology, genetics, embryology, biochemistry, physics, statistics and whatnot, since as someone who has taken courses on these, I can guarantee that we will never see eye to eye the moment you said that there can be no randomness in matters of probability. Just as an example, there is even an experiment that utilizes Maxwell's demon, a concept that's based on the random movements of particles and would seem (only at first glance) to go against thermodynamics, to convert information to energy. Let's just agree to disagree or w/e.

However, I cannot let this misinformation regarding Fiamma slide. Why do you insist on creating your own version of canon? The Holy Right is a very simple existence. It is none of these things. It simply defeats. If there is no enemy, it cannot showcase its power to defeat. The same is true with the Imagine Breaker. If there is no supernatural power, it cannot showcase its ability to negate the supernatural. Index's knowledge was only used to allow Fiamma to use it indefinitely. At its base state (Volume 16), it's uses aren't limited. You are misinterpreting the text -- it just has a limit on the number of times it can be used (the difference is that your interpretation implies that there is something aside from IB it cannot defeat, or that it cannot be used to perform certain feats that are within its capability; the latter correctly states that it can do anything it is allowed to do as its description states, only that it can only be brought out a certain number of times). There is no database or whatnot. This isn't Accelerator's Reflect we're talking about here.

Let me stress the important point again: If there is no enemy, it cannot showcase its power to defeat. The enemy itself is decided by Fiamma. And another thing about the Holy Right: the enemy it recognizes and the target it is used against may differ. Due to this, it gains power from the enemy it recognizes and it can use that power to defeat another target. Say, for example, Fiamma sets the world as the enemy. The Holy Right would amass power enough to defeat the world, and Fiamma can then use that power to swat an innocent housefly. Fiamma controls the Holy Right using his own right hand. That is why Aleister Crowley first decided to blast away his entire right arm before he could react. This act resulted in Fiamma being unable to control the Holy Right, as the epilogue states:

Note the difference between this description above and the earlier one from before he was struck by Crowley:

And again, you completely misunderstand Fiamma's actions. He isn't trying to "save the world, from the enemy that must be defeated", as there is no enemy that's trying to harm the world. He's trying to save the world by defeating the enemy that must be defeated. There is a very big difference there. The first is saying that there is an enemy that threatens the world. The second says that the world can be saved through the defeat of a certain enemy, but it does not at all hint that such an enemy exists in the first place. Yes, Fiamma's problem is that such an enemy does not exist. Therefore, Fiamma made a plan that would bring out this enemy. Of course, we all know how that turned out. Why don't we go over Volume 22 again?

Spoiler for Broken_Right_Hand:

Spoiler for Rebirth_The...:

Spoiler for Star_of_Bethlehem:

Then, in the epilogue, we see the very slight difference between Fiamma and Aleister Crowley's methods:

Spoiler for Silent_to_Small_Fire:

Anyway, I may not be replying for a long time, so don't expect anything, eh?

Quite spiky as usual,xD. Well, like i said i don´t intend to continue our debate for now (animesuki forum members have a limited wall of text resistance, even my eyes would bleed if we keep at it,XD).
For now let me just correct you on one account:

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Originally Posted by Ice Block

Let's end the debate on developmental biology, genetics, embryology, biochemistry, physics, statistics and whatnot, since as someone who has taken courses on these, I can guarantee that we will never see eye to eye the moment you said that there can be no randomness in matters of probability.

We already meet eye to eye. At the very least, you have a proper awareness of my existence, enough to properly read through my comments and formulate a proper response (act to which i have to say i´m grateful, your view of pure science is without a doubt quite fun to discuss/clash with

). It´s a totally different matter that your and my view of Science are polar opposites, apparently to a point that´s way beyond salvation... which i kind of find interesting as i have never met a person with such an adherence to pure orthodox science, can´t say if it´s refreshing or plainly impressive though. Anyway, that´s all from me cya around.

Wilfriback · 2011-05-21, 08:56

Epilogue at 60%
A wild Fiamma, appears!

Kuroi Hadou · 2011-05-21, 09:03

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Originally Posted by Wilfriback

Epilogue at 60%
A wild Fiamma, appears!

If ever there was a definition of "I Shall Taunt You", it would be Fiamma taunting Carissa.

Tch. Stupid Touma. Always showing up when I never want him too.

And it looks like Carissa isn't much of anything without Curtana.

Wilfriback · 2011-05-21, 09:12

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“I have a message from a certain mercenary. He said it is something that must be told to you, Lady Villian, and to no one else.”
“What is it…?”
“He said: ‘One day, when this war is over and the world is at peace, I will return to England. I hope that, when I do, I will be able to hang my escutcheon in the corridor in Buckingham Palace where it was supposed to have been hung. I hope that I have the strength to protect my sword and the coat of arms on it and that you have the strength to overcome all the difficulties and obstacles you will face repairing Buckingham Palace’. …I suppose asking you to become a princess who is worthy of making such a vow to is that mercenary’s version of a proposal.”
“…”
Third Princess Villian’s eyes opened wide in shock, but Knight Leader had actually added in some words that William Orwell had not originally said.
(…Well, that man uses too few words. If I passed it on verbatim, it would be a little too blunt.)
Only that man who had directly received the message knew how much was the original and how much had been embellishment. Knight Leader merely stuck his tongue out slightly so Villian couldn’t see and thought.
(You know my personality well and yet you still gave me a message like that. You knew how I would pass it on, didn’t you, William?)

So, Acqua was aware of the consequences, eh?

Kuroi Hadou · 2011-05-21, 09:13

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Originally Posted by Wilfriback

So, Acqua was aware of the consequences, eh?

Being aware of the consequences and being prepared to face them are two very different things.

Wilfriback · 2011-05-21, 09:18

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Originally Posted by Kuroi Hadou

Being aware of the consequences and being prepared to face them are two very different things.

Well, hope his merecenary experience will help him some day.

Btw, I love how Carrisa gets trolled

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Chaos2Frozen · 2011-05-21, 09:24

Iyaaa.... The more I see Fiamma's performance, the more I'm convinced that he should have the same trollish voice as Izaya...

Wilfriback · 2011-05-21, 10:10

But will the same seiyuu fit the character?

Teh_Ping · 2011-05-21, 10:59

Well, I just want Fiamma to be voiced by Kain Highwind, though considering my 'luck' in nominating seiyuus for this series, most probably not.

Sumeragi · 2011-05-21, 11:01

I really want to see Mikoto's reaction when Touma reappears publicly. It would be some show :P

BTW, are there any three size fact sheets of the characters? I know Mikoto's, but haven't come across other's stats.

NightGale · 2011-05-21, 13:36

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Originally Posted by Sumeragi

I really want to see Mikoto's reaction when Touma reappears publicly. It would be some show :P

BTW, are there any three size fact sheets of the characters? I know Mikoto's, but haven't come across other's stats.

I doubt he went through the trouble of crashing and "killing" Touma with the Star of Bethlehem if he wasn´t trying to exploit the drama so i´m looking forward to it,xD.
PS: What fact sheet? can you give me a link plz?

Mr.Kyon · 2011-05-21, 13:45

Lol, Fiamma trolled everybody so harddd.

Sumeragi · 2011-05-21, 13:47

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Originally Posted by NightGale

PS: What fact sheet? can you give me a link plz?

Well, I have the following:

The measures fit what I had in mind, and I figured there might be more.

Wilfriback · 2011-05-21, 16:14

Volume 18 is complete!

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There are multiple types of beast maid outfits in this world.

-Kamachi Kazuma

What?

Ashaman · 2011-05-21, 17:03

Proof that this guy is awesome

ellifeedn · 2011-05-21, 18:26

I'm betting there's a devil bondage maid (or something to that effect) somewhere down the line, and, as we all know, Touma is one of the biggest masochists there is.

Chaos2Frozen · 2011-05-21, 18:32

So Lessar doesn't join Touma in this volume? Hmmm, I was under the impression that she would at the end... Oh well.

Mr.Kyon · 2011-05-21, 18:47

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Originally Posted by ellifeedn

I'm betting there's a devil bondage maid (or something to that effect) somewhere down the line, and, as we all know, Touma is one of the biggest masochists there is.

I just got an idea.

Misaka Worst in an Ero Devil Maid outfit.

HNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNG!!!

Shadow5YA · 2011-05-21, 18:48

I'd like to clarify a debate that was going on a few pages back: "survival of the fittest" is not a part Charles Darwin's theory of evolution. It's a term coined by social philospher Herbert Spencer to justify the prosperity of the spoilsmen or the big businessmen of the Gilded Age in American history. It's an interpretation, not an actual part of Darwin's theory of evolution, and it should not be assumed that they are synonymous.

orangejuicetang · 2011-05-22, 01:59

hehehe

Vento talking to Sasha about how her clothing standing out too much

*giggles some more*

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