(L) The Surprise of Haruhi Suzumiya (Novels 10/11) Spoiler Discussion

[RRW]

14.598 % of novel profit will be donated to japan for 8 repeated week :P

[ultimatemegax]

I'll be honest: I'm not 100% sure on the validity of these, but they don't disagree with anything that's been proven thus far. Here are some pretty immense spoilers (if true):

Spoiler for big big big spoilers:

• Our new girl, Yasumi Watahashi, is Haruhi's subconscious made into a person in order to save Kyon and Yuki from their trouble. That divides the timelines from beta into alpha.
• Kyouko is called seriously incompetent, but from what I can tell while she couldn't use Haruhi's powers herself, she was easily able to adapt them into Sasaki. Those disappeared when Yasumi appeared in the alpha timeline.
• Fujiwara is a severe siscon. His goal is to save his older sister Mikuru from a time crime. However, Mikuru denies being an older sister. Mikuru (big) says that they may have been siblings in the past, but now (in the future?) they appear not to be.
• Koizumi appears to do something amazing to save Haruhi. A "Fumoffu gun" so-to-say. He gets really mad, but is a gentleman to Kyon.
• Kuyou backs off of contact with the ITDE but states that they will likely contact in the future.
• Kunikida is called very smart. Tsuruya is lifted to genius level. Taniguchi... is still an idiot.
• Kyon and Sasaki's relationship does not develop. It looks like Sasaki backs away from him, but there is the impression that she may pop in again.

These are from a spoiler thread on 2ch just for this book, so I ask that you keep in mind that they do have the possibility of being false. The amount of detail this poster keeps adding makes me believe that it's a good chance of being true. Edit: Eg. The poster kept adding more details that caused me to keep adding more information to this post (delayed about 15 minutes or so).

[RRW]

i definitely interesting what happend to new girl after this.

Spoiler for so basically:

sasaki power is created by kyouko ESP

[Ithekro]

I wonder if they will keep the new girl after all this.

[Yumeka]

Originally Posted by ultimatemegax

I'll be honest: I'm not 100% sure on the validity of these, but they don't disagree with anything that's been proven thus far. Here are some pretty immense spoilers (if true):

Spoiler for big big big spoilers:

• Our new girl, Yasumi Watahashi, is Haruhi's subconscious made into a person in order to save Kyon and Yuki from their trouble. That divides the timelines from beta into alpha.
• Kyouko is called seriously incompetent, but from what I can tell while she couldn't use Haruhi's powers herself, she was easily able to adapt them into Sasaki. Those disappeared when Yasumi appeared in the alpha timeline.
• Fujiwara is a severe siscon. His goal is to save his older sister Mikuru from a time crime. However, Mikuru denies being an older sister. Mikuru (big) says that they may have been siblings in the past, but now (in the future?) they appear not to be.
• Koizumi appears to do something amazing to save Haruhi. A "Fumoffu gun" so-to-say. He gets really mad, but is a gentleman to Kyon.
• Kuyou backs off of contact with the ITDE but states that they will likely contact in the future.
• Kunikida is called very smart. Tsuruya is lifted to genius level. Taniguchi... is still an idiot.
• Kyon and Sasaki's relationship does not develop. It looks like Sasaki backs away from him, but there is the impression that she may pop in again.

Thanks for the great spoilers!

Spoiler for thoughts on spoilers:

An angry Itsuki and genius Tsuruya are things I need to see!

And don't know what to say about Yasumi other than 0_o

Still kinda confused about Fujiwara/Mikuru and Kyouko/Sasaki...but alas, time will tell.

[Gamer_2k4]

Given that I have to ask, I'm not sure if this is a spoiler or not, but

Spoiler for question:

what is a "Fumoffu gun"?

[Ithekro]

This?

Spoiler for Fumoffu:

[ultimatemegax]

Originally Posted by Gamer_2k4

Given that I have to ask, I'm not sure if this is a spoiler or not, but

Spoiler for question:

what is a "Fumoffu gun"?

Spoiler for answer:

Perhaps something like this...

And some more spoilers. First regards someone who appears in the preview:

Spoiler:

Asakura's appearance is mostly in that first part.

Secondly, here's an interesting fact about the two cover girls:

Spoiler:

Haruhi and Sasaki were once in the same elementary school class. Sasaki's parents divorced and her name changed. Haruhi didn't recognize her without her long hair that she admired at that time.

[Game8910]

whoa all these spoilers...I want to believe them all...

[RRW]

so asakura just appear when she safe kyon.

haruhi and sasaki connection is bit expected. (from person how commonly going to tv trope)

also do we have to put spoiler on spoiler thread?

[ultimatemegax]

Originally Posted by RRW

so asakura just appear when she safe kyon.

haruhi and sasaki connection is bit expected. (from person how commonly going to tv trope)

also do we have to put spoiler on spoiler thread?

Only until something is released for those waiting for a translation.

For those who can read chinese, the Taiwan website has a preview up. It's the same as last year's copy in The Sneaker but with the illustrations in the proper placement.

[AmyElizzabeth]

Originally Posted by ultimatemegax

Secondly, here's an interesting fact about the two cover girls:

Spoiler:

Haruhi and Sasaki were once in the same elementary school class. Sasaki's parents divorced and her name changed. Haruhi didn't recognize her without her long hair that she admired at that time.

I could kind of tell they had some connection, because they do live in the same neighborhood.
This is interesting.
Thank you for this

[TheHaruhiIncarnate]

Originally Posted by ultimatemegax

Spoiler for big big big spoilers:

• Our new girl, Yasumi Watahashi, is Haruhi's subconscious made into a person in order to save Kyon and Yuki from their trouble. That divides the timelines from beta into alpha.
• Kyouko is called seriously incompetent, but from what I can tell while she couldn't use Haruhi's powers herself, she was easily able to adapt them into Sasaki. Those disappeared when Yasumi appeared in the alpha timeline.
• Fujiwara is a severe siscon. His goal is to save his older sister Mikuru from a time crime. However, Mikuru denies being an older sister. Mikuru (big) says that they may have been siblings in the past, but now (in the future?) they appear not to be.
• Koizumi appears to do something amazing to save Haruhi. A "Fumoffu gun" so-to-say. He gets really mad, but is a gentleman to Kyon.
• Kuyou backs off of contact with the ITDE but states that they will likely contact in the future.
• Kunikida is called very smart. Tsuruya is lifted to genius level. Taniguchi... is still an idiot.
• Kyon and Sasaki's relationship does not develop. It looks like Sasaki backs away from him, but there is the impression that she may pop in again.

Spoiler for reponse:

Are these spoliers from the 1st half of Surprise? If so, HOW THE HELL IS FUJIWARA MIKURU'S BROTHER BUT ALSO NOT HER BROTHER? I would really like to see this explained b/c its confusing as fuck.

[ultimatemegax]

Originally Posted by TheHaruhiIncarnate

Spoiler for reponse:

Are these spoliers from the 1st half of Surprise? If so, HOW THE HELL IS FUJIWARA MIKURU'S BROTHER BUT ALSO NOT HER BROTHER? I would really like to see this explained b/c its confusing as fuck.

Spoiler for reply:

Basically: Fujiwara calls Mikuru his sister. Mikuru (big) appears and says that she doesn't have a brother. This is likely the image shown where Fujiwara is yelling at Mikuru (big).

Something may have been done to alter the timeline such that Fujiwara doesn't exist in the future. We're also taking Mikuru (big) at her word, which may not be true.

[TheHaruhiIncarnate]

Originally Posted by ultimatemegax

Something may have been done to alter the timeline such that Fujiwara doesn't exist in the future. We're also taking Mikuru (big) at her word, which may not be true. [/spoiler]

Spoiler for response:

That's what I figured. Though, it's hard to believe Mikuru (big) would lie to Kyon. (It's expected. Not what I like, but it's expected) As for the theory that the timeplane was disrupted so that in her future she doesnt have a brother, what event would cause Fujiwara to cease to exist in Mikuru's (big) timeline?

[ultimatemegax]

So I need to somewhat apologize: I left out something in the BIG spoilers earlier because I didn't have enough confidence to put it. Now, with something else I can elaborate.

Spoiler for New/elaboration:

Fujiwara's goal is to use Haruhi's power in the future to alter the space-time continuum. He's the one who gets attacked by Koizumi (Fumoffu!) when he's attacking Haruhi. Koizumi is said to be quite perceptive when it comes to time travelers.

[virox]

Spoiler for Kyouko, Sasaki, Haruhi:

Kyouko is called seriously incompetent, but from what I can tell while she couldn't use Haruhi's powers herself, she was easily able to adapt them into Sasaki. Those disappeared when Yasumi appeared in the alpha timeline.

Haruhi and Sasaki were once in the same elementary school class. Sasaki's parents divorced and her name changed. Haruhi didn't recognize her without her long hair that she admired at that time.

Spoiler for question about that:

Does that mean Kyon assisted her to give her Haruhi's power to Sasaki, or did she take them forcefully?

Also, regarding the second spoiler: I just remembered that when Kyon dreamed about that one day with Sasaki is school, she said that Love is a mental illness, and that she heard that from someone. When Kyon wakes up, he remembers that he just heard an important line, but he forgot. So THAT's why! They were classmates.
Although Sasaki didn't seem to treat Haruhi like an old friend in the 9th volume. I wonder why that is?

[ultimatemegax]

Originally Posted by virox

Spoiler for question about that:

Does that mean Kyon assisted her to give her Haruhi's power to Sasaki, or did she take them forcefully?

Also, regarding the second spoiler: I just remembered that when Kyon dreamed about that one day with Sasaki is school, she said that Love is a mental illness, and that she heard that from someone. When Kyon wakes up, he remembers that he just heard an important line, but he forgot. So THAT's why! They were classmates.
Although Sasaki didn't seem to treat Haruhi like an old friend in the 9th volume. I wonder why that is?

Replies:

Spoiler:

Kyouko has taken some of them forcefully and has used them to create closed space with Sasaki.

Sasaki treated Haruhi respectfully in the 9th novel. I haven't seen how close they were when they were classmates, but that may be how their relationship was.

[AmyElizzabeth]

Originally Posted by ultimatemegax

So I need to somewhat apologize: I left out something in the BIG spoilers earlier because I didn't have enough confidence to put it. Now, with something else I can elaborate.

Spoiler for New/elaboration:

Fujiwara's goal is to use Haruhi's power in the future to alter the space-time continuum. He's the one who gets attacked by Koizumi (Fumoffu!) when he's attacking Haruhi. Koizumi is said to be quite perceptive when it comes to time travelers.

Well this makes me 50 times even more interested

Also,

Spoiler for regarding Haruhi and Sasaki:

Wouldn't they at least recognize each other? I mean, I understand Haruhi not recognizing her because of the last name change, but wouldn't Sasaki recognize Haruhi when she "met" her in vol. 9?

[Rice_slayer]

Any idea when we will get to see the English versions of these? It's been sooo long since I read the translation for book 9, good thing I found this post, just saw a post on /a/ that the 10/11th books were out.