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Old 2011-05-27, 20:59   Link #321
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I doubt Lily would be playable. Why would she be? She's a non combatant. How could they make a move set for her? I think those are just promotional art drawn by the manga-kas. Since Vivid has 2 characters in the game, they needed to even it up for the Force picture and decided to put in Lily.

Granted from now until December they could announce more characters.
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Old 2011-05-27, 21:13   Link #322
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We... really have no clue if she has any combat value. It's way too soon to say she can't fight, at least on par with, you know, Yuuno and Arf? Could just be a more defensive specialist.

And if Vivid did get a third character... I don't know who I'd want in. Probably not Nove though, but that's just me.
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Old 2011-05-27, 21:17   Link #323
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Yuuno and Arf have done fighting in the animes, so there's stuff to base their moves off of. Lily has never been in combat in Force and given her current state, she won't be anytime soon.
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Old 2011-05-27, 21:20   Link #324
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Well... this game isn't coming out until later this years. That's still 6 months or so to show us something, and that's assuming they want to show us something. I'm not saying Lily will be playable, but I'm not going to dismiss it either. Force is missing a second character, and 5/6 characters in those posters are confirmed as in the game and playable.
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Old 2011-05-27, 21:25   Link #325
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Yuuno and Arf have done fighting in the animes, so there's stuff to base their moves off of. Lily has never been in combat in Force and given her current state, she won't be anytime soon.
doesn't mean they can't give her any moves...hell they could probably give her moves similar to Reinforce since they use similar devices.
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Old 2011-05-27, 22:19   Link #326
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I can see her being in the game as a support character, maybe being in unison with Thoma, but not as her own fighter. There are other Force characters that are more suitable.
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Old 2011-05-28, 00:23   Link #327
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And that's... well, currently. Besides, the only Unison devices we know of our perfectly capable fighters on their own. Reinforce Zwei is an AAA+ rank make, which is Vita's level, so I don't see why Lily couldn't be in this game. Sure, she'd probably be more helpful for Thoma as an Unison Device, but I still don't see why she can't be in as her own fighter.

Again, difference between saying she could be and saying she will be. I'm not saying the latter, but I'm not going to rule out the chance of her being playable.
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Old 2011-05-28, 00:23   Link #328
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I wonder if Raptors will make their way into the game, probabloy not as selectable characters, but can be filler mooks on a special stage or something xD.
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Old 2011-05-28, 01:55   Link #329
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Story-wise putting in some of the Force villains (or even one of the ViVid rivals) would be a good idea, unless it's just gonna be the Dark Materials over and over and over for every character. If the two OCs are time police or whatever, why should all the future cases be cooperative?
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Old 2011-05-28, 03:36   Link #330
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I doubt Lily would be playable. Why would she be? She's a non combatant. How could they make a move set for her?
The same argument was made for Shamal back when the first game was discussed. The answer is "they improvise."
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Old 2011-05-28, 07:15   Link #331
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If they're going to add another Force character, and I can't believe that we forgot about this, but...

What about Isis?
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Old 2011-05-28, 09:49   Link #332
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but I still don't see why she can't be in as her own fighter.
Because she doesn't fight? Yes, Shamal and Yuuno being playable were surprises but we see them in the anime taking part in battle. They are capable of taking part in battle. Lily is not. Giving her any moves would be 100% ass pull. Still possible, but not likely.
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Old 2011-05-28, 10:14   Link #333
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The keyword we're missing here is "yet." The manga hasn't ended, so saying that Lily can't fight ever is rather premature. Or did you think that Force Next of her was just for show?
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Old 2011-05-28, 10:48   Link #334
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All Force Nexts are for show.

Remember that the game is already far into development at this point, so it's too late for them to add elements from future Force chapters.
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Old 2011-05-28, 11:19   Link #335
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Except, you know, if they planned this in advance. Which is something that's very likely in a multi-media franchise.

Professional authors generally don't write stories on the fly like most fanfiction authors do. They'll have planned the basic framework of the story long before they start actually writing the story itself. Which means the story of Force is already planned out and the notes and sketches given to the crew far in advance. Case in point: the Tron game. A prequel to the movies that couldn't possibly have been released when it was if they started on it after the movie was finished (not even counting the fact that it was released 10 days before the movie premiered). Also, the inclusion of Thoma, Vivio and Einhart are clear evidence of this happening in this game as well.

And considering every single Force Next so far has been canon (Even Lily's is starting to appear in official media), calling them 'for show' is really making me wonder what on earth you base that on.
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Old 2011-05-28, 11:26   Link #336
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All Force Nexts are for show.
Plus, Lily's "Engage Suit" NEXT design didn't mention anything directly related to independent combat capability, the text focused entirely on her function as the main balance between the Book of the Silver Cross and it's user(also giving hints that the Eclipse virus is exclusive spreaded trough the Strosek series). I'm more inclined to think Lily will appear on the game as a support for Tohma, appearing by his side on various of his attacks(probably during Tohma's Limit Break).

As much as i would love to play with Nove i really doubt she will manage to appear in the game xD. One crazy(and somewhat unplausible) theory is that the entire Wolkenritter will be taken out from the game and in their place there will be Miura Rinaldi with a set of moves that mimicks iconic attacks and spells from all four of them.
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Old 2011-05-28, 12:12   Link #337
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And considering every single Force Next so far has been canon (Even Lily's is starting to appear in official media), calling them 'for show' is really making me wonder what on earth you base that on.
How are they not for show? Their purpose is to show off the designs of various devices and equipment. Lily's Force Next showed off her Engage Dress. That's no proof that she's combat capable.
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Old 2011-05-28, 12:23   Link #338
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By "not for show" I meant "they are canon."

Now granted, Aki's summary doesn't paint her as a front-line fighter, but neither was Shamal. She never got into a fight The only moves we've ever seen her do were teleporting, healing and grabbing a linker core, that last one even being explicitly noted to only be able to do when the targets defenses are down. The exact same "100% asspull" argument applies there, and if they did it before, they can do it again.

Me, I'd rather see Isis, but I can certainly imagine them putting in Lily.
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Old 2011-05-28, 12:33   Link #339
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No, with Shamal it was more of a 60% asspull. Like I've said, at least we've seen her taking part in battles. Putting Lily into combat makes no sense.

If that promo image is really suggesting she'd be a playable character, then why didn't they just outright anounce it?
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Old 2011-05-28, 12:46   Link #340
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No, with Shamal it was more of a 60% asspull. Like I've said, at least we've seen her taking part in battles. Putting Lily into combat makes no sense.

If that promo image is really suggesting she'd be a playable character, then why didn't they just outright anounce it?
Which fight did Shamal take part in, exactly? Last I checked, she stood on the side of every single one of them. She did no actual fighting in any one of them. Even Yuuno engaged the enemy head-on more than Shamal did.

I agree that the promo image proves nothing, but it does suggest her presence in the game by... well, her mere presence. Why else would she be in the promotional art? If it is just to show of the Force heroes, where is Isis?
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