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Old 2011-06-30, 23:52   Link #101
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Well, Okarin's first time leap is optional anyway(if you phone Mayuri at that point it starts off on the one where she gets hit by a car just like the anime did)

One thing I wondered about the whole people living and dying thing

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What are you talking about? Faris Papa's death was prevented by changing world-lines with Faris' D-Mail.

Edit: Also, Faris Papa's case was easy because apparently the Point of Divergence was addresed correctly by Faris. Mayuri Death's PoD isn't addressed correctly until very much later in the game, right?
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Old 2011-07-01, 00:25   Link #102
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What? No it wasn't. The only world lines established in the game were alpha and beta, alpha being the SERN dystopia line and beta being the WW3 line. You spend the majority of the game on the alpha line without changing it. The minor .07% divergence with the d-mails aren't changing world lines. Suzuha states that divergence needs to reach at least 1% to change world lines.

Though I guess it's true that in Faris's dad's case, the 'cause' really was just as simple as 'which form of transportation he took'. And the reason why changing world lines saves Mayuri has nothing to do with jumping world lines itself, but just the fact that their 'cause' all happens to be "SERN creates a Dystopia"(or perhaps more directly, because SERN caught wind of them. Perhaps you could say that SERN catching wind of them=
SERN creating a dystopia) and that jumping world lines is the only way to stop that, so by proxy, jumping world lines is the only way to save Mayuri(and Moeko etc.)

Though it's kind of weird that everyone else's 'cause' is tied to the SERN dystopia thing and he's not. Especially since they go out of their way to state that he was the only casualty of his accidenty Just seemed to me like they were trying to imply that there was supposed to be something more to that, but I guess not. I mean, it WAS like 8 years ago before SERN caught notice of the group, even if he did own the IBN5100. Not to mention he wasn't nearly as connected to everyone else to begin with.

Makes sense, after thinking about it. World lines and deaths are technically unrelated, but most of the deaths that oocur in the game are related to SERN which would incidentally require a world line jump. That put me under the illusion that preventing death=you must jump world lines, which is obviously wrong and stupid of me!


Ok, in place of that, how about another question. How come at the end of Luca's route, they can just continue living their life happily without having to worry about SERN, without taking any further measures to stop them? Well I know I should be forgiving since it's just a little optional route ending, but that's kind of weird. Every other route at least provided an explanation.
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Old 2011-07-01, 01:40   Link #103
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Well, Okarin's first time leap is optional anyway(if you phone Mayuri at that point it starts off on the one where she gets hit by a car just like the anime did)
True enough. I thought they could have left it in for a bit more realism though.

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One thing I wondered about the whole people living and dying thing...

...how about another question. How come at the end of Luca's route, they can just continue living their life happily without having to worry about SERN, without taking any further measures to stop them? Well I know I should be forgiving since it's just a little optional route ending, but that's kind of weird. Every other route at least provided an explanation.
You're very much wondering about the same thing many other Japanese players did and these were covered in the official materials artbook Q & A.

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Q23 If the conservation of time meant Mayuri’s fate is fixed, why wasn’t Feyris’ father fixed too?

A. Due to the big " Millenium Bug" event, it is not pre-determined whether he dies or not in the branching timeline.
So in other words, this "conservation of time" rule means that all deaths and events are tied to one major event and will always occurr one way or another unless the bigger, more significant event is changed and they have shifted outside of the attractor field of one timeline.

And I can't remember what the exact answer was since I don't have the book on me but the dystopia still occurs in Ruka's ending just that they don't want to ruin a happy ending, lol...

The two of them live on with guilt knowing they could have saved Mayuri but they were also willing to spend what little time there was left together before the dystopia... Love is selfish.
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Old 2011-07-01, 02:32   Link #104
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But Faris daddy's death was evaded the first time without changing any major events, right? All she did was get him to take the train instead of a plane and boom, he lived. Now I'm even more confused. Though I forgot about the year 2000 being important to the timeline as well(and that's around when his death happened, right.)

I don't know why the 2000 bug makes it so that his death is undetermined. Maybe something similar to why Chris's death wasn't completely predetermined on July 28th? I think I remember Suzuha saying something about it also being an important moment in convergence and her dying and living being a 50/50 chance? Perhaps that's why tricking Okabe's POV was able to save her. And that if it was a normal predetermined death, she would have died regardless of tricking Okabe or not. But Okabe witnessing the death was a huge step in the world deciding upon her life or death... or something. But... no. Chris's life and death itself seems to be the big 'timeline changing event' in 2010 whereas Faris dad's death is just a death that takes place around the same time that another timeline changing event occurred so it wouldn't be comparable.

Well whatever. God damn awesome game, that's all that matters
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Old 2011-07-01, 07:35   Link #105
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Well, Feyris' dad's death is tied to the Millenium Bug but another significant event, SERN completing the time machine, occurs. This later significant event alters the past and so Feyris' dad's death is no longer completely determined by the Millenium Bug event. That's why Feyris was able to change his fate using a D-Mail.

In Kurisu's case, her life and death is important but it isn't the big significant event. Her death is actually tied to the survival of the time travel documents.

To save her, Okabe had to do two things.

First, trick himself and Nakabachi into thinking Kurisu was dead. This would have just temporarily saved Kurisu and she would have ended up dying in other ways like Mayuri but, this is crucial so that Okabe ends up having the strong will to help complete the time machine and in turn, allow him to carry this and the next step out.

The next step was to make sure the time travel documents were burned so that they are never exposed to the world - the significant event Kurisu's death is tied to. By making sure the documents were burned, she is saved for certain in the new "Steins Gate" timeline.

You could probably think of it this way - each significant event are the ripples caused by throwing a stone into the water and things that happen to people are the results of these ripples. Each wave can push, say a leave, further out.

When a second set of ripples is made, the waves interact with the last set so they alter how objects were supposed to have been affected previously.

And quick correction to Ruka's future with Okabe now that I can look back at the book... Dystopia occurs but that doesn't mean it's an unhappy future. When Okabe decided to abandon saving Mayuri, he also gave up on the development of the time machine and therefore, was no longer under the surveillance of SERN or considered a threat. He still dies in 2025 for one reason or another because, his death is still tied to the event when SERN completes the time machine thanks to their research progress.
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Old 2011-07-01, 15:27   Link #106
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Does that mean theoretically that Mayuri's death could have been avoided if another event important to the time line occurred later after her death, and then they sent d-mail after that event occurred, back to before she dies?

Though unfortunately, according to Suzuha, 2010 was the last time that happened. And there weren't any events like that even up until 2036(and if SERN's absolute control lasts a while, there probably wouldn't be another opportunity for a long, long time after 2036 at that), in which Okabe would already be dead, so it's only theoretical and impossible to put into practice.

Well, things make sense now anyway.
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Old 2011-07-01, 17:36   Link #107
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The 2010 event is exactly the one Mayuri's death is tied to, i.e. SERN discovering how to complete their time machine thanks to Okabe and Kurisu.

Even if Okarin managed to live until the dystopia event, D-Mail is too unpredictable for them to rely on. The best bet was for what happened - Suzuha using an actual time machine to retrieve the IBN5100 and erase traces of their accidental discovery.
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Old 2011-07-01, 18:34   Link #108
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What? No it wasn't. The only world lines established in the game were alpha and beta, alpha being the SERN dystopia line and beta being the WW3 line. You spend the majority of the game on the alpha line without changing it. The minor .07% divergence with the d-mails aren't changing world lines. Suzuha states that divergence needs to reach at least 1% to change world lines.
My understanding is that every time Okabe activates his reading Steiner, a world line shifts. The major world line alpha and beta and the last one is special, but every small changes in the divergence meter is actually shifting world lines, though it may still within the realm of a bigger group of world-lines (like those alpha and beta world lines).
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Old 2011-07-07, 10:25   Link #109
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Finally got my fandisc and started running through it.
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EDIT: Time to go over my review of the fandisc...
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Old 2011-07-19, 23:14   Link #110
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Old 2011-07-22, 14:47   Link #111
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More screenshots of the 8 bit version of the game on Famitsu:

http://www.famitsu.com/news/201107/21047028.html

Back to the NES days... When digital art like Huke's can't be expressed fully ^^;
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Old 2011-07-24, 20:31   Link #112
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So the 8-bit copy of S;G will have a new story instead of being a port of the normal VN.
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Old 2011-07-25, 00:03   Link #113
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even though the two are guys in the fandisc timeline.
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Old 2011-07-28, 09:36   Link #114
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Just want to ask........will anime really able to go for true end in 24 eps?

There seems to be a lot of content to include with just 7 eps left. (unless they speed up story progression a bit)

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Old 2011-07-28, 13:17   Link #115
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They are probably gonna cut down Ruka's chapter to also one episode, which would leave 6 episodes, and I believe that should be enough to animate the rest of S;G. Two episodes for Moeka's chapter, one episode for chapter 10, and two episodes for the true end seems most likely and should be able to do the job.
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Old 2011-07-28, 23:27   Link #116
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They most likely are going to cut Ruka's chapter to one ep, like they have with Suzuha's and Feris's chp's so far. Seeing as the anime is taking the true end, there really isn't a need to spend more than an ep per character route.

There's plenty of time to finish the series with a fairly good pace seeing as they've been good so far about it.
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Old 2011-08-01, 13:10   Link #117
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They could end it with the Mayurii ending instead of 'True Ending' and put that on the last disc?
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They could end it with the Mayurii ending instead of 'True Ending' and put that on the last disc?
Why would they do that?
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Why would they do that?
Take make money of course
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Old 2011-08-06, 01:39   Link #120
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the vn seems so perfect to be converted into anime. But airing a Mayushi ending seems impossible. Episode 19 will be for Moeka, 20 and 21 for FB's appearance and back story. What else can be added into the remaining episodes? Or they will make a lot of omakes like Toaru Majutsu. Worst will be the studio waste the last episode for flash-backs like in Clannad.
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