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Old 2011-07-10, 13:50   Link #28881
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Essentially, before ViVid came out and introduced Rio, if any of us had made an OC with the same abilities as Rio, we'd be decried for making a Mary Sue.
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Old 2011-07-10, 13:53   Link #28882
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I really doubt it, at least if they were using the correct definition. Just having a power that's something new doesn't make someone a sue.

If you don't like her, that's fine: I'm fairly neutral toward her myself.
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Old 2011-07-10, 13:57   Link #28883
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I really doubt it, at least if they were using the correct definition. Just having a power that's something new doesn't make someone a sue.

If you don't like her, that's fine: I'm fairly neutral toward her myself.
The same here, i can't bring myself to seeing Rio as nothig more than "an inferior ripoff of Arisa with special powers" xDU.
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Old 2011-07-10, 13:58   Link #28884
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Only Rio is nothing like Alisa at all.

And if "If I made a character like that she'd be considered a sue!" was a legitimate reason to not like some one (it's not), then everyone would hate Nanoha and pretty much every other character.
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Old 2011-07-10, 14:07   Link #28885
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I really doubt it, at least if they were using the correct definition. Just having a power that's something new doesn't make someone a sue.
There's Teana and Corona with new abilities (StrikerS and ViVid) and I didn't call either of THEM sues.

No, the problem with Rio is this...

1: Created own I.D. (seen in Season 1 with Linith, fine)
2: Adult Mode (basically shape changing magic seen with Yuuno, Arf, Zafira, Einhart and Vivio and Vita mentions she can do it too)
3: Vivio's friend (change Vivio to main character for the comparison here)
4: Seemingly better than Vivio in terms of power (as the school grades her. Again, change Vivio to main character here)
5: Using her device to activate her barrier jacket remotely (which allows for her adult mode), Uh... What? (The problem with THIS point is, that's never, EVER been done before)
6: Dual Elemental affinity (wait, what?! Even among those that can use ONE affinity, it's rare, so TWO?!) Also, don't give me the line "she trained hard". We don't know. From what I've seen, she's a perfectly normal (for Mid-Childa) girl. Compare to Einhart, who's entire goal is to get stronger, and we've seen her training room. And, even if Rio *DID* do some intensive training to learn two elements, she would have had to have given up a social life for that and she'd probably be awkward around people. I don't see that with her.

So, if you take out one or two of those, it's fine. The PROBLEM with Rio here is...

It happened ALL at the same time (or within a short amount of time from her introduction to just before the training match).

Really, it's points 5 and 6 that really push Rio over the edge here. If those things came up LATER than when they did, it wouldn't have been so bad.

Just my opinion of course.
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Old 2011-07-10, 14:08   Link #28886
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Only Rio is nothing like Alisa at all.
I agree, Rio and Arisa have notorious differences, it's just that the position and drawstyle at the beginning of Vivid strongly resembled Arisa's spot as one of "those two girls"(Corona's resemblance of Suzuka didn't help either xDU).

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And if "If I made a character like that she'd be considered a sue!" was a legitimate reason to not like some one (it's not), then everyone would hate Nanoha and pretty much every other character.
Well, i DO get annoyed by Nanoha sometimes. Don't get me wrong, i love her but sometimes she act's too prepotent over others with a "i demand you to surrender and explain your reasons to find why you're wrong and i'm right" kind of attitude. Or when she "acts" her messaiah role(it's fine when it feels natural there are times when it feels maked up like in her battle with Tohma). Other than that she's a very likable and cool character.
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Old 2011-07-10, 14:17   Link #28887
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Well she kinda-sorta is like Alisa if you squint a lot, but yeah, not a direct expy.

And eh, you have a point, Nanya, but where would they have put that information otherwise?
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Old 2011-07-10, 16:53   Link #28888
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The only thing that really sticks out like a sore thumb is the dual elemental affinity. The other things are really easy to explain (by the way Nanya, Rio has the lowest grades out of the three. It's Corona who pwns both in grades).

But even there, translations are conflicting. While one early translation used affinity, later translations don't. It might simply be regular magic, which is still pretty damn impressive, but less mind-breaking.

Mayhap this image could shed more light on the situation?



All in all, mere talents alone aren't really enough to label her as a Sue for me. After all, she lacks the one defining quality of any Sue ever created: Hogging every percentage of screentime not nailed down.
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Old 2011-07-10, 19:12   Link #28889
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If anything, she's the member of the group we know the least about.
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Old 2011-07-10, 19:19   Link #28890
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Her adult form looks cool, at least.
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Mayhap this image could shed more light on the situation?

TL here: http://danbooru.donmai.us/post/show/734848
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Old 2011-07-10, 20:34   Link #28892
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So her magical skills are top of her class, and she's the best in sports and magic. >.>
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So her magical skills are top of her class, and she's the best in sports and magic. >.>
Not to mention self-trained to get to this point. =/
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Still not as bad as she could be, all things considered. :X
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Old 2011-07-10, 21:41   Link #28895
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Old 2011-07-10, 21:44   Link #28896
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So her magical skills are top of her class, and she's the best in sports and magic. >.>
Besides Vivio and Corona she probably doesn't have any actual competition in her class when it comes to magic skill, and Vivio is probably the only competition she has in sports.
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Old 2011-07-10, 21:45   Link #28897
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Besides Vivio and Corona she probably doesn't have any actual competition in her class when it comes to magic skill, and Vivio is probably the only competition she has in sports.
Might as well test it. Give her a volleyball and tell her to hit Fate with it.
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Old 2011-07-11, 00:32   Link #28898
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Guys, don't you think this discussion were better off in the ViVid thread? I don't mind, personally, but inb4 modrage...
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Old 2011-07-11, 00:36   Link #28899
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So her magical skills are top of her class, and she's the best in sports and magic. >.>
At her age, Nanoha and Fate were flying around firing huge beams at each other. Can she do that?
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Please leave the Vivid discussion in the Vivid thread. I avoid that thread for a reason...and don't want to have to listen to it here as well.

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