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Old 2011-07-12, 18:31   Link #32781
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Well let me put aside all the non-pc talk and be a little more concise.

I would have less of a problem with Vivio/Lutecia if they actually had some canon interaction. Shadowverse started after StrikerS and all there was was the part where Lutecia kidnaps an unconscious Vivio. As such them suddenly being a couple feels like it was pulled from the ether.

Lutecia/Agito, Lutecia/Caro, or Lutecia/any of the Numbers I would have no issues with because they've actually had conversations during the series. It might raise an eyebrow but in the end I'd just shrug it off.

You can pair characters who have never interacted. I myself have a Hayate/Yuuno fic, but as Kaijo mentioned it's important to have build up to it. You need to start from scratch and build things from the ground up since the canon doesn't do it for you.

So I don't sound like I'm only picking on yuri, Warp Obscura's Reinforce/Yuuno stories have the same problem. The first one he did had them married so it was rather confusing. I've told him a few times he needs to go back to the beginning and show just how they got to that point.

It really doesn't need to be too elaborate. For ViCia I'd buy an explanation like: a plot against Vivio is discovered so they sent her to live with Lutecia for a few months for safe keeping. During that time spent together something between them changed..."

While specifics aren't given, I can still go "Oh, so something pushed their relationship beyond friends. I just lack the imagination to figure out what it is."
Well, by now I think we can all agree that clearly most of us have different opinions on what is believeable for a pairing, and what our personal preferences are. And I continue to hold that an author should be allowed to either accept the viewpoint you are endorsing and work to make their pairing more realistic, or choose to go with the viewpoint I’m endorsing that says the writer can craft a pairing however they like, and the readers can either accept it or not.

I’m making a distinction between the author and the reader, here. Some authors like to write for their readers, and other authors like to write for themselves and if readers like it, then that’s just a bonus. And as readers, sometimes people want to be convinced of things and so want good writing to explain pairings; other readers may be happy to simply read a pairing they like and enjoy the fun. Sometimes a reader may simply just not like the story, despite good writing on an unlikely pairing.

I think that we all know what kind of authors and readers we are, and it's unlikely that anyone else's opinion is really going to change it much .

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Under certain instances "because the author said so" is perfectly fine like Nanya was saying. Something that bugs me, though, is that when I put Yuuno and Fate together in my ViCia story "because I said so", people gave me flack for it. RB herself had a problem with it. So the differential treatment doesn't exactly sit well with me =/

Anyways, as for updates, I have something I could post but at this point people are probably convinced that I'm a terrible person and won't read it *sigh*
To be clear, although I was discussing the “because I said so” point using ViCia as one example (I also used my own Hayate x Vivio stories as another example) in no way does that mean that RB endorses my point of view. For all I know, since she hadn’t chimed in for this debate at all, maybe she actually disagrees with my “because I said so” point. So please, direct the issues that bug you to the right person .

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Does Vivio really needs any pocket money? If she wanted she could practically go anywhere without any need for it.
She might be saving up for something . Or on the other hand, she could donate to charity . It's be mightily profitable for her!

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Old 2011-07-12, 18:45   Link #32782
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Anyways, as for updates, I have something I could post but at this point people are probably convinced that I'm a terrible person and won't read it *sigh*
Just post it Raiser, there are so people that want to read it. Honestly, this is the one problem I have with you. You're a great writer, one that I'm a fan of and you always keep going on and on about being horrible and that no one likes you when it's not true.

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I would read it. Post it. Post it. Post it.



More or less. Though I updated one chapter already, it got drowned in the discussion before, so I waited this time to post another. ^^




The prime interaction Vivio and Lutecia have on canon now is that Lutecia is basically a researcher and Vivio has open access to the Infinity Library. Aside from that, I don't remember much, but maybe there's more.

Why go with an AU? Why don't pair up Yuuno and Fate and use them in canon timeline to create a Vivio that's their lost daughter? I did something similar to her in Decisions. Tought, since I didn't pair anyone up in that fic, I can't say for sure if I'll get flak or not.
But Vivio's a clone of the Sankt Kaiser so she can't be their lost daughter...?
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Old 2011-07-12, 19:04   Link #32783
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But Vivio's a clone of the Sankt Kaiser so she can't be their lost daughter...?
Out of the top of my head, I can think of one or two, but, of course you'll need to bend a little of canon, or rearrange it so some parts of it that seemed unrelated to (or using them in a different context to) make it happen. It needs some suspension of disbelief to start, but after the fact is settled, it can be done.
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Old 2011-07-12, 19:36   Link #32784
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So please, direct the issues that bug you to the right person .
I meant it as a general comment, I wasn't addressing you specifically. You've been a saint in pretty much all regards

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Just post it Raiser, there are so people that want to read it. Honestly, this is the one problem I have with you. You're a great writer, one that I'm a fan of and you always keep going on and on about being horrible and that no one likes you when it's not true.
Well, I got 24 years of being reminded of how worthless I am. Not exactly something I can change over night.

I suppose I should consider myself lucky I only got 1 neg rep for last night...

Anyways, I wrote this the other day and would have posted it yesterday but considering all that was going on I felt it inappropriate...

Uses Vivio/Hayate as the base, wanted to poke at what the old Takamachi determination might lead to. Exaggerated for effect, naturally.

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Old 2011-07-12, 19:44   Link #32785
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At this rate, she may as well obtain a restraining order.
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Old 2011-07-12, 19:46   Link #32786
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Would something as flimsy as a restraining order really stop a Takamachi that wants something, though?
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Old 2011-07-12, 19:51   Link #32787
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Being a Takamachi, I find it hard that even Nanoha herself will be able to stop her little girl.
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Old 2011-07-12, 20:00   Link #32788
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If her paycheck is that large she can buy diamond earings and pearl necklaces it makes one wonder what exactly her job entails... that or her allowance is really generous. The last line made me laugh so hard, you can hear the deadpan line delivered brilliantly.
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Old 2011-07-12, 20:03   Link #32789
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I was originally going to mention a possible restraining order but I used 'desperate measures' instead.
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Old 2011-07-12, 20:13   Link #32790
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Okay. Wrote this scene on the spur of the moment now, just to illustrate my earlier point in using canon timeline, just twisting the facts to get to what you want.

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Of course, using this example, you can do much of anything with it. Heck, it can be inserted in almost any fic without messing up with the timeline.
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Old 2011-07-12, 20:15   Link #32791
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Finally got around to finishing the next chapter of my fic here it is.

Jail's Return

Chapter 1


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Old 2011-07-12, 20:19   Link #32792
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Okay. Wrote this scene on the spur of the moment now, just to illustrate my earlier point in using canon timeline, just twisting the facts to get to what you want.

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Of course, using this example, you can do much of anything with it. Heck, it can be inserted in almost any fic without messing up with the timeline.
Yeah, that's pretty much how I would have gone about it as well. Kinda like how in Jurassic park they used frog DNA to fill in the gaps.
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Old 2011-07-12, 20:28   Link #32793
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Finally got around to finishing the next chapter of my fic here it is.

Jail's Return

Chapter 1


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Spoiler for Author's Notes:
Interesting addition. Now I can imagine a few twists coming on Fate's way. FUN.

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@Raiser
I had another idea, but using that route was less trouble.

Urg. If I say that Jurassic Park didn't even crossed my mind would someone believe?
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Old 2011-07-12, 21:21   Link #32794
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Vita's capture...a partial chapter

Well, this is my first publishing of a fic in years...

Oh, and even if this was my idea...I blame Nanya for convincing me to write it out.

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Oh, and Raiser...a pear necklace....
Did the Harry and David catalog add a new item since I last looked?

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Old 2011-07-12, 21:34   Link #32795
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Oh, and Raiser...a pear necklace....
Did the Harry and David catalog add a new item since I last looked?
Yeah, it makes the perfect snack on the road.

Thanks for catching that.
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Old 2011-07-12, 22:04   Link #32796
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A new Shadowverse short, inspired by some of the recent discussion we had in the FFT. Lutecia is 14, Vivio is 10, in terms of age, mostly because I wanted to get them at an age where romance wasn't an issue for either of them.

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Old 2011-07-12, 22:18   Link #32797
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Just to get my quota for the day...

And, I told you guys, these mini-arcs aren't going to be very long.

Red

Yagami Start

Spoiler for Blood That Flows - Peek - Yagami End:
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Old 2011-07-12, 22:18   Link #32798
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Well, this is my first publishing of a fic in years...

Oh, and even if this was my idea...I blame Nanya for convincing me to write it out.

Spoiler for Vita's capture:


Oh, and Raiser...a pear necklace....
Did the Harry and David catalog add a new item since I last looked?
It might sound harsh, but this story could have been better.

'unknown scene here...' wtbbq?
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Old 2011-07-12, 22:22   Link #32799
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A new Shadowverse short, inspired by some of the recent discussion we had in the FFT. Lutecia is 14, Vivio is 10, in terms of age, mostly because I wanted to get them at an age where romance wasn't an issue for either of them.

Spoiler for Pillow Talk:


Spoiler for Author's Notes:
You set-up the entire scene of the short to get a single pillow-fight gag out?

... ... ...

I approve.
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Old 2011-07-12, 22:23   Link #32800
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Sometimes its the little things that inspire a fic... like a lesbian's training wheels.
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