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Old 2011-08-01, 01:26   Link #1021
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Poor Kotetsu. Even the fans won't give him a break, lol. I think these issues, with Kaede and Barnaby, are meant for Kotetsu to realize his worth as a hero doesn't just disappear because he loses his abilities. Emotional support is going to be a big part in getting the two through their ordeals.

I read that article about the anime panel. Just a tad bit worrying that the sponsors might have some pull on the script. But Nathan is awesome so maybe my concerns are misplaced.

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Old 2011-08-01, 01:41   Link #1022
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I'm so glad to finally see Kriem once again after the last 5 episodes (EP13) but now she's like Sinead O connor (?). I don't know why that bastard Jake kidnapped her until she become obsessed with him during that. But it won't last long after she pulls a plug & killed herself in a hospital bed.

PS - Hope they changed their next episode preview music into a darker & moody (since T&B is gonna be darker) ones instead.

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Old 2011-08-01, 02:06   Link #1023
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Two possibilities.

1. Mr. Maverick offers Kaede to be a hero.
2. Ouroboros kidnaps her.
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or

3. She discovers the power of the main bad guy.
4. Kaede gets it in her head, after all the delays, that since she now has Next powers it would be OK for her to take off to Stine Bild and make her father come back home putting her in harms way.

I have to say #3 also is something I thought about as well.

The thing that's worrying me is Tiger seems to have forgotten his powers are waning with all the problems that have cropped up with Bunny He's going to get in over his head, and fast, if he doesn't remember that issue.

Once again this show took a sharp turn and I have no idea where it's going
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Old 2011-08-01, 05:22   Link #1024
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3. She discovers the power of the main bad guy.

I'll be happy if that doesn't happen, as it seems too obvious that is what will happen.
Can you say... Lunatic?
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Old 2011-08-01, 05:49   Link #1025
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What if the killer is Mr. Legend himself?
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Old 2011-08-01, 05:59   Link #1026
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What if the killer is Mr. Legend himself?
I'd consider seeing a doctor after having brutally smashed the palm of my hand into my forehead.
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Old 2011-08-01, 07:15   Link #1027
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Kaede isn't in danger? How many times in her life is she going to have her first weeks dealing with potentially lethal powers? I don't think Kotetsu is right even if she weren't in danger - but she is in danger, IMHO.

One of the commenters on LiA suggested that Kotetsu is representing a very Japanese take on this situation - the Dad for whom work comes before family. He's a salaryman whose job just happens to be superhero.
She's in no danger. Stay home. Don't touch anyone. She has no powers otherwise.

Bunny on the other hand needs help. Kotetsu's first mistake was making such a rash decision to quit in the first place. Saying I'm coming right back without thinking was never going to work out for him. If anything she just needs to know the truth, but who knows if she would even believe such a tale. His mother saying she's not going to help him with excuses might mean she wouldn't back him up there either.

Life is full of hard choices. Kaede can just be pissed for a while and wait. Or she could come to him, which I half expect to happen.
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Old 2011-08-01, 11:27   Link #1028
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She's in no danger. Stay home. Don't touch anyone. She has no powers otherwise.

Bunny on the other hand needs help. Kotetsu's first mistake was making such a rash decision to quit in the first place. Saying I'm coming right back without thinking was never going to work out for him. If anything she just needs to know the truth, but who knows if she would even believe such a tale. His mother saying she's not going to help him with excuses might mean she wouldn't back him up there either.

Life is full of hard choices. Kaede can just be pissed for a while and wait. Or she could come to him, which I half expect to happen.
*Death Flag, Death Flag, Death Flag.

If anything, the only right decision for him was drop everything and go to Kaede.

Telling "i will return to my wife and kids right after defeating this Demon Lord!" is a sure sign things are about to get out of control.
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Old 2011-08-01, 14:23   Link #1029
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I wonder if those sleep chambers Tiger and Bunny have been using could have had anything to do with Barnaby's altered memories.

It almost seems like Barnaby had many possibilities placed inside his brain so that whoever has been manipulating them could chose one to bring to the surface and Jake just happened to prove a convenient scapegoat at the time. I still think it's Maverick (he owns those sleep chambers too) and the fact that he was so particular about sending Barnaby after Jake when before he'd never stepped out of the background makes me suspect him all the more.

We'll see though. Also Kaede apparently has the potential to be ridiculously powerful like Rogue from X-Men. Though she might even be more powerful since the powers Rogue absorbs disappear over time and we don't know if that's the case for Kaede.
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Old 2011-08-01, 16:00   Link #1030
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Both Kotetsu and Barnaby were frustating this episode! Of course, they are both dealing with their own issues so their behaviour wasnt that unusual, but it was still hard to watch. Barnaby was being stubborn and irrational given how the evidence was piling up. As he himself later admits, it wasnt even that long ago that he did not even know the face of the killer. It would be hard to accept that he didnt avenge his parents' murder afterall.

And Kotetsu - i was just waiting [wishing] that he would tell Kaede, "Well i cant come home right now because i'm a HERO, and my partner BARNABY is thinking about quitting..." tell her already! I'm hoping she's figured it out on her own and is waiting for him to tell her (another reason she is annoyed with him). I dont expect him to retire until the end of the series anyhow. As a few people have said, Kaede shuld come vidit her father, or Kotetdu needs to take Bunny to Oriental Town for a visit and a vacation.

I really hope Barnaby isnt an android. The thought crossed my mind too, given his parents' line of work. It wouldnt really make sense, though. Also, Rotwang recognized Barnaby.

Other things:
-Kotetsu didnt wear his mask when he and Barnaby went to visit Kriem. I dont think this is important, but odd. He made sure to put it on when he talked to Barnaby's maid tho :P
- do we know how long jake has had two powers? In Kriem's flashback, he glows orange, which we have been associating with two powers/power up
- kotetsu's SUV matches his outfit
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Old 2011-08-01, 16:08   Link #1031
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Both Kotetsu and Barnaby were frustating this episode! Of course, they are both dealing with their own issues so their behaviour wasnt that unusual, but it was still hard to watch. Barnaby was being stubborn and irrational given how the evidence was piling up. As he himself later admits, it wasnt even that long ago that he did not even know the face of the killer. It would be hard to accept that he didnt avenge his parents' murder afterall.

And Kotetsu - i was just waiting [wishing] that he would tell Kaede, "Well i cant come home right now because i'm a HERO, and my partner BARNABY is thinking about quitting..." tell her already! I'm hoping she's figured it out on her own and is waiting for him to tell her (another reason she is annoyed with him). I dont expect him to retire until the end of the series anyhow. As a few people have said, Kaede shuld come vidit her father, or Kotetdu needs to take Bunny to Oriental Town for a visit and a vacation.

I really hope Barnaby isnt an android. The thought crossed my mind too, given his parents' line of work. It wouldnt really make sense, though. Also, Rotwang recognized Barnaby.
Unless he's some kind of replacement goldfish. The maid would have to be in on it, though.
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Old 2011-08-01, 16:34   Link #1032
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Kotetsu could be developing a secondary ability and its probably Magnetism or Electricity based. When he calls back home, after a half a day to a full day after, his daughter is having stuff stick to her. We don't know if Kotetsu's mother or brother have that power. She could have absorbed Kotetsu's second power.

Kotetsu then calls back and she seems to believe her power is absorption. Big clue... are there other NEXT nearby? When did she come in contact with a NEXT with electricity or magnetic powers? I guess they called a specialist after she showed her second power and they ran a test.

Does Kaede know her father has powers? She hasn't figured it out after showing her own?

I do believe Barnaby is an android. What may be seeing is him going rampant just like the android from Sky High's episode. The female android's rampancy was caused by sort of emotional trigger which fried her circuits.

Barnaby could be going rampant because of the uncertainty of his memory. Look at how his memories changed, like an image on a monitor... with the flicker of a CRT display. Totally electronic.

Clues have already been given as to Barnaby's true origin. My guess is that Maverick was trying to create the ultimate hero, Astro Boy. He was disillusioned by the fragility of Mr. Legend and so he decided to create the perfect hero programmed for justice and entertainment. But now his positronic brain is going haywire and its getting confused, he's on the doorstep of rampancy. He may not even be a full android, he could be a cyborg clone of Mr. Legend.

Once he breaks, his 100 power will no longer be artificially limited. He'd be unstoppable.

This is when Kotetsu may discover his secondary mutation, the Magneto powers or something else.

Kotetsu vs Super Perfect Android Barnaby.

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Old 2011-08-01, 17:34   Link #1033
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Is it possible that Kaede's power isn't NEXT power Absorption, and she really does just have two powers? AKA, Hundred Power + Magnetism.
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Old 2011-08-01, 18:15   Link #1034
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Does anyone know anything about Kotetsu's dad? I have the weirdest theory, but what if he was the killer? I know it seems unlikely, but Barnaby had a memory boost when he saw Kotetsu with the tazer gun thing. I mean, we know nothing about his dad, right?

Lol my theory is just so far out.
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Old 2011-08-01, 20:16   Link #1035
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Kotetsu then calls back and she seems to believe her power is absorption. Big clue... are there other NEXT nearby? When did she come in contact with a NEXT with electricity or magnetic powers? I guess they called a specialist after she showed her second power and they ran a test.
I thought about that too, but its possible that she just happened to come in contact with a next out on a stroll, at her school, at the store, etc. The story has made it clear that Nexts in everyday life isn't an absurd thing.
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Old 2011-08-01, 21:18   Link #1036
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So we hame some theories about Kanade's power :

1. Kanade power is Ability replication, which copy abilities of other NEXTs by touching them.
2. She has only 2 power.
3. Kanade powers is copied from Kotetsu, also his magnetic power
4. Kanade powers is copied from a random guy. I doubt if she can go out in that state though...
Maybe it's her uncle's power? Since he states that Kanade's power is just ability replication, not 2 powers.
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Old 2011-08-02, 08:16   Link #1037
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Spoiler for Tiger & Bunny manga by Masakazu Katsura:
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Old 2011-08-02, 12:12   Link #1038
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It seems like a mix of American-style comic drawings and Japanese-style manga, although that should have been expected.
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Old 2011-08-02, 13:34   Link #1039
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Wow. Who knew Sky High could be this creepy. And Rock Bison, too.
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Old 2011-08-02, 15:15   Link #1040
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Ep 18

My problem with the Bunny-bot/Astro Bunny idea is that we did not know his parents were involved in robotics until recently, and we werent even aware of the possibility of advanced androids until episode 15. If it is revealed that he is some sort of robot after getting to know Barnaby after 20-some episodes, it would be a little annoying. However, this show uses plenty of clichees well and remains enjoyable. T&B could pull it off depending how they go about it.

So yes, it's not completely out of the question that Barnaby is an android or cyborg. Again, the work of his parents leads us towards that answer, along with his sketchy/programmed memory and his toy robot. The introduction of those relaxation chambers seemed odd and kinda random, so I could see them (whoever "them" is - Maverick, an unknown party?) messing with Bunny's memories whether he is human or not.
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