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Old 2004-11-16, 02:04   Link #981
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you meant like that guy in the ghetto sub? Mariko must have gotten too "excited" ahahha but she is a 28 arms girl......
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Old 2004-11-16, 03:49   Link #982
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The sex jokes put the image into my mind of a diclonius using a vector to carress someone's face. That's a good image, damn it. They should have used it.


I'm a little late to discuss the ending, but some parts of it don't seem to make sense to me. When Kouta tells Lucy that he loves the little girl that he played with, and Nyuu as well, why should she care? She's neither of them. I don't understand why what Kouta said should get through to her.
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Old 2004-11-16, 06:58   Link #983
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Well she was that little girl at one point, and Nyuu is also a part of her. But either way, they botched the ending to finish up the anime version.

Oh and my praying mantis reference wasn't actually a joke, I could really see that being used. After all, Lucy is the one that can get pregnant and after she's done she'd have no more use for the mate now would she? Although it would seem this is not really needed any way since the virus is spreading rapidly, and somehow Lucy knows how fast it is spreading.

Seperate question: are there really only female diclonius getting born? Or are there a rare few males? The director and his son apparently were (I thought it may have been genetic tampering though), but why would Lucy kill the son then. If they are real male diclonius, then it would mean the male of the species doesn't have any vector powers. If humanity would be wiped out there should be diclonius males around in the end for the diclonius to survive aswell. Otherwise diclonius could only be considered as some sort of parasite that can't propogate without human 'hosts' (it's not a regular parasytic relationship but you get the idea).
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Old 2004-11-16, 07:22   Link #984
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A crazy idea that is brewing in my head is that the virus is a projection of Lucy's will/emotional state. Since that festival incident has changed her will/emotional state to "kill all humans", the silpelits, who are somewhere a product of the virus, carry out that will.

Of course, the big monkey wrench in my idea is Lucy's quote, "I was born to kill humans" .
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Old 2004-11-16, 07:28   Link #985
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My take on it is that small children are actually quite immoral. The trick is that they're normally not capable of doing much harm, not being capable of gross physical acts or planning great enough to harm people. Even if the diclonis develop intelligence early, they don't necessarily develop morals or wisdom that quickly.

Give them the power of the vectors- and you have a problem. Add in the messed up nature of the institute, and the need for special parenting techniques because mistakes will happen. Normal humans would become psychotic in the conditions that the diclonus were "raised" in by the institute.
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Old 2004-11-16, 18:39   Link #986
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Seperate question: are there really only female diclonius getting born? Or are there a rare few males? The director and his son apparently were (I thought it may have been genetic tampering though), but why would Lucy kill the son then. If they are real male diclonius, then it would mean the male of the species doesn't have any vector powers. If humanity would be wiped out there should be diclonius males around in the end for the diclonius to survive aswell. Otherwise diclonius could only be considered as some sort of parasite that can't propogate without human 'hosts' (it's not a regular parasytic relationship but you get the idea).
i remember in that episode the director's son was like "i'm ur ally, let's mate and create a new world together". Lucy replied with something like "not with you".

somehow i have a feeling lucy doesn't like her own kind. and in actuality, doesn't want to destroy humanity (but is forced to do so).

apparently, the director and his son lost their vectors at an early age, and thus (from what i've heard) can reproduce. So maybe all males loose their full abilities at early ages.
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Old 2004-11-16, 19:38   Link #987
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The director and his ancestors all the way back to at least several hundred years are all Diclonius mutants what what i've seen in the manga....
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Old 2004-11-16, 20:14   Link #988
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i remember in that episode the director's son was like "i'm ur ally, let's mate and create a new world together". Lucy replied with something like "not with you".

somehow i have a feeling lucy doesn't like her own kind. and in actuality, doesn't want to destroy humanity (but is forced to do so).

I think she prity much hated everyone except Kouta

Oh yes, heres some more info on the DVD

http://miao.us/archives/2004/11/07/339/
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Old 2004-11-16, 22:54   Link #989
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Although they do not longer follow the timeline of events at the end of the anime, in the manga

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Someone in a previous post said that Lucy is Lucy whether in the anime or manga version.

However, I tend to disagree. Because right now I'm reading through all the manga and managed to get to see up to volume 9.

I noticed several minor and subtle but significant differences between both versions of her, and believe me they quite made me to tell her apart from the other.

Likely the only reason that I will hate Lucy for is that she always internalized her emotions during the course of the anime. She always contained her inner rage and sadness. The anime portrayed her as a vicious, cold-blooded murderer with psychotic eyes.
I really do not like the way how the anime crew displayed her.

Not even when she apologized to Kouta in the final episode, did Lucy ever bursted in a rage of tears and frustrations crying out loud how did she suffered or whether why she hates people or ever saying, "I hate them".
We never were allowed to witness that side of her, the overly emotional.

In the manga, this is quite obviously different
And now can I understand why dreamless loves the manga version over the anime one.

Obviously in the manga, Lucy is quite up to be an Evil Goddess of carnage and violence. She goes totally postal in such mischievous and brutal ways. Takes advantage of everything or tries to make a winning advantage for her with the most despicable ways.
However, the most important point that I will give her thumbs up than the anime counterpart is that manga Lucy totally let loose of her emotions through her despicable and devilish slaughters and tortures.
In the manga, she's more disturbed and that allows her to freely express her inner disdain and hatred by making all other people surrounding her to feel miserable and then in hell. She's treating people the same way people treated her during her childhood quite obviously 1000 times worse since she has the vectors; she's reliving the scars marked on her from those painful times.
These twisted and devilish nature to the 'nth' power of hers has made me to understand that in her deep, core inside she's totally vulnerable and emotional fragile.

A theory that I conjured up as to why Lucy's totally devilish in the manga whereas in the anime she's cold-blooded is:

1. The other Lucy inside her psyche, the one you meant by the vector personality, merged and/or joined with the weak-willed, little Lucy. Anime version.

2. The vector personality totally engulfed and absorbed little Lucy personality that the only thing remaining of the original Lucy are her feelings for Kouta. Manga version.

And I can prove this with the following:
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If you ask me, I think in the manga, the vector personality is practically under control after switching from Nyu. Whereas in the anime, Lucy contains the vector personality but that does not stops her from killing out cold, however, she just kills right away without torturing her captors and neither she sights or enjoys upon other's suffering.

Another curious detail I could appreciate through observation is that the manga Lucy has two pair of evil eyes. The cold-blooded, psycho eyes (the ones that anime Lucy always shows) and the vengeful, dreaded, devilish eyes (manga version only)
If you're reading the manga, you just have to pay close attention to her face and be slightly scrutinous to tell those eyes.
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Old 2004-11-17, 00:04   Link #990
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Very nice analysis Guido, thumbs up

Seriously, i can't wait til the conclusion of the story. My prediction for Lucy's end is that Kouta will carry out a childhood promise made on the bus. That's just a speculation, because i don't see any possible endings for her except for that. However, happier endings are possible if and onlyif she can somehow come to terms with Kouta, her friends, humanity as a whole, and herself. Who really is Nyu/Lucy? Is she the cute and adorable girl? Or is she a demoness murderer who enjoys watching other people suffer?

And of course, the Director's a pretty interesting character as well. First of all, i have no clue what the hell he did to his daughter. And second, what the hell is he really. Is he intentionally turning Diclonius against humans so that any chances of coexistence are reased? Or is humanity really destinied to be replaced by the Diclonius? Is there anything standing between humanity and the Director's mad plan?

Just an extra thought, i think the anime in a way slaughtered the commando dude's character as well (i forgot his name). In the anime, he is portrayed as a cold-blooded hot head who only cares for himself. In the manga, it shows that he has a soft side just like everyone else, and deep down beneath he is an altruistic hero.
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Old 2004-11-19, 20:55   Link #991
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can someone give me a site where i can get some not very sexual or hentaish wallpapers for elfen lied.. or perhaps make me one? haha thx pm me if you guys have something
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Old 2004-11-19, 22:07   Link #992
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can someone give me a site where i can get some not very sexual or hentaish wallpapers for elfen lied.. or perhaps make me one? haha thx pm me if you guys have something

LMAO!!! I dunno....
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Old 2004-11-19, 23:48   Link #993
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LMAO!!! I dunno....

hhahaha i watched the anime and all but when my dad sees desktop O_O .......... i smell trouble
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Old 2004-11-20, 00:35   Link #994
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It's kinda hard to fulfill your request Slayer Well err, you know, the creator seems to draw his female characters nude or almost nude every chance he gets
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Old 2004-11-20, 00:51   Link #995
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It's kinda hard to fulfill your request Slayer Well err, you know, the creator seems to draw his female characters nude or almost nude every chance he gets
ahh no sweat but if u come across some pm me plz

well im not really saying it shouldnt be completely unsexual or hentaish im saying like no random boob poping out of nowhere ahahahah
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Old 2004-11-20, 01:00   Link #996
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ahh no sweat but if u come across some pm me plz

well im not really saying it shouldnt be completely unsexual or hentaish im saying like no random boob poping out of nowhere ahahahah

I have a picture from the OST Thingy that is not Hentish... Which can be made into a Desktop
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Old 2004-11-20, 01:05   Link #997
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email it to me would you plz...

my email is in my profile
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Old 2004-11-20, 01:57   Link #998
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Well so far I managed to see the first five episodes . Pretty good anime actually , but it has really only gone deep with one of the characters so far and the rest are at mediocre . Im hoping that answers will come later on right now ...
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Old 2004-11-20, 02:05   Link #999
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email it to me would you plz...

my email is in my profile
Better yet, upload it to http://www.imagehost.org/ and post the link here. That way we can all enjoy this non-nude Elfen Lied scan.

Please!
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Old 2004-11-20, 02:13   Link #1000
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Just an extra thought, i think the anime in a way slaughtered the commando dude's character as well (i forgot his name). In the anime, he is portrayed as a cold-blooded hot head who only cares for himself. In the manga, it shows that he has a soft side just like everyone else, and deep down beneath he is an altruistic hero.
Well, he was slightly nice to Mayu, and he did clean up that beach.


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Well so far I managed to see the first five episodes . Pretty good anime actually , but it has really only gone deep with one of the characters so far and the rest are at mediocre . Im hoping that answers will come later on right now ...
I think you said that solely to het the 1000th post.
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