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Old 2011-08-10, 06:59   Link #15621
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While Iranian President Ahmadinejad and Zimbabwean President Mugabe join the fray:


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After many joked with the idea, here it comes:

Gaddafi asks for Cameron to leave office.

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Aren't these supposed to be in the silly news thread?
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Old 2011-08-10, 07:06   Link #15622
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Aren't these supposed to be in the silly news thread?
I had some hesitation, but since these were relevant to a major News topic.
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Old 2011-08-10, 07:09   Link #15623
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I had some hesitation, but since these were relevant to a major News topic.
While I realize these guys are trolling, I have to wonder how much the people over there actually know about the UK riots, if they know at all. Quite a curious thing, either way, since they were the center of attention and we're taking the spotlight now
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Old 2011-08-10, 07:54   Link #15624
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While Iranian President Ahmadinejad and Zimbabwean President Mugabe join the fray:
I can't really say if it's irony or hypocrisi.
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Old 2011-08-10, 08:10   Link #15625
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I can't really say if it's irony or hypocrisi.
Think of it as pot and kettle calling each other black while the big red chilli hanging above laughs.
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Old 2011-08-10, 08:37   Link #15626
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Sounds like classic trolling...though they do have sort of a point.

After a decade of costly nation-building that helped fuel our current financial crises, I don't think we should commit any more lives, equipment, or money to topple Qaddafi, let alone Ahmadinejad, and neither should Europe. Do you really think God's Own Party is THAT committed to cutting spending? (Certainly not military spending-though I am glad that the recent financial bill did take some aim at the Pentagon for once.) Remember "Bomb Bomb Iran"? You can bet that as soon as President Palin or Perry takes office, the first thing they'll do is launch their well-awaited invasion of Iran-and probably bring back the draft.

PS: No, I do NOT seriously think David Cameron should step as PM. I also think the British police should bring in the water cannons and rubber bullets.
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Old 2011-08-10, 08:53   Link #15627
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Sounds like classic trolling...though they do have sort of a point.

After a decade of costly nation-building that helped fuel our current financial crises, I don't think we should commit any more lives, equipment, or money to topple Qaddafi, let alone Ahmadinejad, and neither should Europe. Do you really think God's Own Party is THAT committed to cutting spending? (Certainly not military spending-though I am glad that the recent financial bill did take some aim at the Pentagon for once.) Remember "Bomb Bomb Iran"? You can bet that as soon as President Palin or Perry takes office, the first thing they'll do is launch their well-awaited invasion of Iran-and probably bring back the draft.

PS: No, I do NOT seriously think David Cameron should step as PM. I also think the British police should bring in the water cannons and rubber bullets.
Actually I'm all for the s.o.b to step his freaking ass down, did you lot forget the last major demostration the UK (literally the UK) had against the government earlier this year regarding our tuition fees?
That also hit global media for a spell, too
Some riots broke out but for most part was a peaceful protest and what happened?
They went ahead and tripled it without so much as blinking an eye. The tories screwed us over in the 80's and 90's and have brought so much love to us all again now once again in power, I never expect the UK to improve while under them, to hell with that...

As for London (also with a Tory mayor), he in our entire history didn't rise the transportation fees by the usual 1 or 50p, he rose them literally by 3-6 for daily bus passes and other transportation tickets, forget using the tube since it turned extortionate, increased the 'congestion' zone, etc etc.
I went back home last summer and just to use the buses for a few days rinsed me out so badly of money, they're just bleeding us dry, left, right and centre...
I can sympathise Solace with those who claim that they're just too broke, I'm part of that 'too broke to live' group however, no I'd not turn sheep and loot for fun, those peeps really were part of organised gangs who have nothing better to do and have lost all hope in life, methinks many peeps will call for community education and parental discipline in a society where conscience and morals have rapidly disappeared in many poorer areas not only of London but the UK.
(And even at this stage it isn't about poverty, but just the simply uncivilised mentality of the English peeps. Think Rooney at last year's world cup and you've got England)

Before the idiots decided to loot just for the hell of it, the tension and frustration which began driving the unrest was described as such:
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This is more than just about a boy getting shot the people are getting their fustration out. Just look at the system we live in 1) Taxes have gone up, 2) Housing Benefit cut down 3) no jobs 4) council tax gone up 5) cut down of youth clubs 5) job seekers cut down 5) police corruption 6) poverty no charities 7) Student fees have tripled...
Also, police have lost my respect for not hosing down the idiots, Manchester got hit up pretty bad 4 freaking days after London, how could they not have prepared for the 2nd biggest city to also get it's fair share of trouble, pffft.
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Old 2011-08-10, 09:02   Link #15628
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Ha, I remember when China bought the Varyag. It was supposed to be a floating casino, then it quickly went off radar, lol. I think everyone knew what they were doing with it.
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Old 2011-08-10, 09:13   Link #15629
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As for London (also with a Tory mayor), he in our entire history didn't rise the transportation fees by the usual 1 or 50p, he rose them literally by 3-6 for daily bus passes and other transportation tickets, forget using the tube since it turned extortionate, increased the 'congestion' zone, etc etc.
Oh God, I still remember the days when using the bus ONCE, without a ticket, only cost 1. Now, it's more than double, and this didn't happen over 6 years, but only in the last 2.5(?) years. One reason I'm glad to be in Croydon is because the monthly travelcard isn't above 200, mainly because I only need to go from zone 5 to center, whereas I had to go from Zone 6 where I was before, and I'm paying nearly as much as then after the price increase.

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I can sympathise Solace with those who claim that they're just too broke, I'm part of that 'too broke to live' group however, no I'd not turn sheep and loot for fun, those peeps really were part of organised gangs who have nothing better to do and have lost all hope in life, methinks many peeps will call for community education and parental discipline in a society where conscience and morals have rapidly disappeared in many poorer areas not only of London but the UK.
They're chavs. That's all there is to it. As you said, they don't know the concept of right and wrong and think that "right" simply means doing whatever they want to and "wrong" is anyone trying to stop them. Since that tends to be the police, they used the excuse of them killing a man to exact their brand of a revolution.
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Old 2011-08-10, 09:14   Link #15630
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Well they made a mistake last time, I am sure they are taking extreme measures this time round not to do so again.
I think they are right about downgrading the US. But lets not make it sound like it was simple error with mortgage security. The rating knew that crap was junk but gave it a AAA rating because of the fees involve and the fact that if they didn't gave it a top rating the banks would take their business elsewhere.

It was Fraud not a mistake.
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Old 2011-08-10, 10:07   Link #15631
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PS: No, I do NOT seriously think David Cameron should step as PM.
He should, up until know all his policies seems to be wishy-washy. Constant U-Turns and waiting games kind of shows that he is a weak leader. His weak persona is actually a big problem and probably reason why people are rioting now.If you have no respect for a government these things happen. It happened in egypt, tunisia and other countries. If you have a weak leader, people are more likely prepared to cause disturbance, but that is just my view.
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He should, up until know all his policies seems to be wishy-washy. Constant U-Turns and waiting games kind of shows that he is a weak leader. His weak persona is actually a big problem and probably reason why people are rioting now.If you have no respect for a government these things happen. It happened in egypt, tunisia and other countries. If you have a weak leader, people are more likely prepared to cause disturbance, but that is just my view.
It's sort of like that but different from Egypt and the middle east. The people there revolted for genuine injustice against them. In the UK, they "revolted" because the chavs realized that their leader was weak and complacent, so they felt like they could take advantage of that to do what they do best. They're not standing for any grand altruistic cause, they're just looting and burning landmarks/locations and robbing common people, which is what they always do, except on a much grander scale. The respective leaders in the two cases are responsible, but for different reasons.
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Old 2011-08-10, 11:18   Link #15633
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Remind me again how gaining two more seats for Democrats and demonstrating that even in deep red districts Democratic candidates stood a chance and put up a strong fight is a failure?

Oh I know, everyone was hoping for the best case scenario - flipping majorities. But let's not pretend that this was a total defeat for the recall movement.

At least the Wisconsin Dems did what they thought was needed to make a stand.
I'll remind you that the Democrats were saying this was going to be a sweeping victory for them and they staked the claim that this would be a referendum on the agenda of Scott Walker.

It wasn't, and they have not swept the Wisconcin senate.
They only won two seats by the skin of their teeth, using "conservative" Democrat candidates, that's hardly a victory in a state that used to be solid "Blue."

Since the Dems made such a stink about Walker's desire to end public-union collective bargaining, and went so far as to run away to other states instead of fighting against it in the WI senate, they deserve to be labeled as cry-babies.

It doesn't matter if they had voted and lost, at least by staying and fighting they wouldn't look like spoiled brats using a recall to try and get their way.
That's not how democracy works in a Republic.
It's not like Walker is making the better argument.
The WI Dems had a good argument against Walker and they stole defeat from the jaws of victory via their shenanigans.
Not only that, they made Walker and the WI GOP look brave standing against Union thuggery.
That was a very stupid move politically on the part of the Unions.
Americans want leaders not bullies in charge of government.

I used to be a Democrat.
Back when they'd actually stand and fight against the GOP rather than play the victim card every chance they got.
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Old 2011-08-10, 12:15   Link #15634
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I'll remind you that the Democrats were saying this was going to be a sweeping victory for them and they staked the claim that this would be a referendum on the agenda of Scott Walker.
Of course they're going to say that. Was it realistic? Clearly not, but that morale and energy did net them two more seats.


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Since the Dems made such a stink about Walker's desire to end public-union collective bargaining, and went so far as to run away to other states instead of fighting against it in the WI senate, they deserve to be labeled as cry-babies.
They ran because they couldn't fight it in the Senate. The entire reason they fled the state, and not just the town or region, is because the Republicans were going to push the measure through with no input from Democrats, as fast as they could. Because it was a budget bill, the law required that both sides be physically present.

Once the collective bargaining parts where taken out of the budget bill, they could be voted on without the Democrats there, which they did, in one of the most disgusting displays of "democracy" I've seen. Keep in mind the entire debate was that collective bargaining was a budget issue.

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It doesn't matter if they had voted and lost, at least by staying and fighting they wouldn't look like spoiled brats using a recall to try and get their way.
That's just it though, they couldn't fight it by simply staying. The Republicans had the ability to push it through (thanks to their majority), and they were going to do it regardless of protests from Democrats. The only thing the Democrats could do to put a temporary halt to the vote and let people know what the legislature was attempting to do was to leave the state.

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That's not how democracy works in a Republic.
Being so against something that you are willing to risk losing your job by leaving the state just to halt a vote is more than I could ever say for many political figures. You call things like that spoiled and cry babies. I call it Democracy when people fight for what they believe in, and are willing to take great risk in doing so. There's a chance the Dems could have lost the recall efforts entirely, in fact that possibility still exists (two Dems are up for recall). But people are making their voices heard, even if the political process has the taint of interests and money.

You can't say a month of civil protests and an unprecedented number of recalls in one state isn't Democracy.

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It's not like Walker is making the better argument.
The WI Dems had a good argument against Walker and they stole defeat from the jaws of victory via their shenanigans.
Not only that, they made Walker and the WI GOP look brave standing against Union thuggery.
That was a very stupid move politically on the part of the Unions.
I can agree with your first comment about Walker, but the rest....we'll just have to agree to disagree.

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Americans want leaders not bullies in charge of government.
Then maybe the GOP should stop acting like bullies and maybe the Dems should learn to stand up for something more often.

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I used to be a Democrat.
Back when they'd actually stand and fight against the GOP rather than play the victim card every chance they got.
I can understand the sentiment, but let's not kid ourselves - the GOP is equally at fault for the unhappiness of Americans too.
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Old 2011-08-10, 12:39   Link #15635
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I'll remind you that the Democrats were saying this was going to be a sweeping victory for them and they staked the claim that this would be a referendum on the agenda of Scott Walker.

It wasn't, and they have not swept the Wisconcin senate.
They only won two seats by the skin of their teeth, using "conservative" Democrat candidates, that's hardly a victory in a state that used to be solid "Blue."

Since the Dems made such a stink about Walker's desire to end public-union collective bargaining, and went so far as to run away to other states instead of fighting against it in the WI senate, they deserve to be labeled as cry-babies.

It doesn't matter if they had voted and lost, at least by staying and fighting they wouldn't look like spoiled brats using a recall to try and get their way.
That's not how democracy works in a Republic.
It's not like Walker is making the better argument.
The WI Dems had a good argument against Walker and they stole defeat from the jaws of victory via their shenanigans.
Not only that, they made Walker and the WI GOP look brave standing against Union thuggery.
That was a very stupid move politically on the part of the Unions.
Americans want leaders not bullies in charge of government.
Memory is fleeting. Let's go refresh our memory as to why the Democrats chose to flee. Really, your bullies in Wisconsin are GOP while your thuggish role is being played by Mr. Walker. The disturbing part here is that the bully and the thug aren't even trying to hide.

The only reason I can think of as to why the Democrats don't have more seat is because the idiots lost the real reason for the recall election in the midst of this hoola-hoopla. The state was in uproar at one point when the news broke what Walker was upto. Instead of using that to inspire people why the recall election was taking place they were more busy at pushing through all of their other agendas as issues for why people need to vote Democrats. It pretty much gave the public the option of choosing idiots over bullies. Anyway, we will see if Walker can survive also come next as he is up for a recall too.


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I used to be a Democrat.
Back when they'd actually stand and fight against the GOP rather than play the victim card every chance they got.
I can tell that you never were a Democrat. I however agree Democrats do like to cry the "victim" a lot more these days.
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Old 2011-08-10, 13:37   Link #15636
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Calling the Gop bullies and thugs in Wisconsin, yet ignoring what Democrats did with Obamacare in 2009-2010... excuse me while i laugh my ass off. Funniest shit I have ever read on here.
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Old 2011-08-10, 13:45   Link #15637
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Calling the Gop bullies and thugs in Wisconsin, yet ignoring what Democrats did with Obamacare in 2009-2010... excuse me while i laugh my ass off. Funniest shit I have ever read on here.
Yeah, because the Dems didn't gut the "Obamacare" into the POS it is now to get some Republican votes at all...
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They werent going to get any significant republican votes for good reason. It is not what the republican voter wanted. Wisconsin will finally start seeing signs of responsible spending now that the public unions arent choking the economy. I just hope that California someday follows suit.
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Old 2011-08-10, 13:58   Link #15639
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Yeah, because the Dems didn't gut the "Obamacare" into the POS it is now to get some Republican votes at all...
Aye, anyone PAYING ATTENTION would realize the end package was the result of intensive lobbying by the health insurance industry which (thanks to DEM spinelessness) all but eviscerated what was initially some pretty good ideas to reduce healthcare costs, share the risk across a large population, and take the load off of small business by removing the need to provide employees benefits.
What we got did help *some* (allowed parents to keep their children on a plan til 26yrs - since individual policies are unaffordable and worthless, fix some of the disaster with things like Part D, prevented insurance companies from dropping people who actually used the service, stopped them from denying insurance to people who had any condition at all, etc)... it also had the potential of making the health insurance industry irreplaceable by requiring everyone to buy insurance from them (permanent extraction of wealth from the system to a few pockets at the expense of the whole).

There's no illusion: both sides of the aisle are in the pockets of these extractive "moneychangers". It will take a Teddy Roosevelt tactic of populism to achieve any course correction here.
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Old 2011-08-10, 14:21   Link #15640
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I however agree Democrats do like to cry the "victim" a lot more these days.
To be fair, Republicans have an entire super-popular network (and supporting industry) that works tirelessly to always portray Republicans/Conservatives as the constant victim of some nefarious Democrat/Liberal plot. It's all confusing, annoying, and just plain stupid. They've all done ti so often that, frankly, I really don't know if either side can do anything but play a victim any longer.

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Calling the Gop bullies and thugs in Wisconsin, yet ignoring what Democrats did with Obamacare in 2009-2010... excuse me while i laugh my ass off. Funniest shit I have ever read on here.
Nothing Solace or even Monir wrote indicated that it was okay for the Democrats to push through bills based on a majority vote. A Thug is a Thug no matter their party, and as so long as this constant one-upmanship exists nothing will ever get done in the U.S. as each party and their constituents constantly does worse and worse while always hiding behind the belief that the other side is just as bad.

That being said, you really need to visit other portions of this forum if this is the "Funniest shit" you've ever read .

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