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Old 2011-08-20, 06:42   Link #15941
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Yeah, even if they do have an open border with the Sinai Desert, 4 years of only being able to bring in material through underground tunnels takes it's toll.

I mean they weren't even able to obtain concrete.

Also the Egyptian border may be open, but only to people, not goods. And even then Men aged 18-40 are still not allowed past.

Egypt has some blame in all of this, but it's not Egyptian boats patrolling the waters around Gaza
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Old 2011-08-20, 08:35   Link #15942
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Iran convicts U.S. "hikers" as spies, 8 years jail
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Old 2011-08-20, 12:11   Link #15943
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The 'heart attack-proof diet'
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Dr. Caldwell Esselstyn Jr. didn't become a doctor to change the way America eats. He was a general surgeon

But researching cancer, he stumbled on a fact that changed his career: Certain cultures around the world do not suffer from heart disease, the No. 1 killer in the Western world.

Esselstyn's practice took a dramatic turn -- from performing surgery to promoting nutrition. For more than 20 years, the Cleveland Clinic doctor has tried to get Americans to eat like the Papua New Guinea highlanders, rural Chinese, central Africans and the Tarahumara Indians of Mexico.

Follow his dietary prescription, the 77-year-old Esselstyn says, and you will be "heart attack proof" -- regardless of your family history.

"It's a foodborne illness, and we're never going to end the epidemic with stents, with bypasses, with the drugs, because none of it is treating causation of the illness," Esselstyn says.

The Esselstyn diet is tough for most Americans to swallow: no meat, no eggs, no dairy, no added oils.
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Old 2011-08-20, 12:17   Link #15944
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OK, so what do they die of?
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Old 2011-08-20, 12:21   Link #15945
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OK, so what do they die of?
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The Esselstyn diet is tough for most Americans to swallow: no meat, no eggs, no dairy, no added oils.
for American's? suicide if they have to follow that diet.
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Old 2011-08-20, 12:27   Link #15946
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A life without Meat is a life not worth living. Food is a joy I cannot do without.

Veganism sucks, 5 more years as a crippled old man ain't worth it if it means I have to live the rest of my life eating glorified rabbit food.

Anyway, southern Europeans have very long life spans and they eat all that stuff in spades.

Think about it:

No Meat: Obviously no meat, but also no Meat stock in soups...
No Dairy: no Cheese, no cake, no yoghurt, no milk in your coffee...
No Eggs: Severely restricted pastries.
No Oil: No fried food.

What would we have left? Just salad...

EDIT: Ever been to a vegan restaurant? Nasty...
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Old 2011-08-20, 12:58   Link #15947
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if being a vegan is so good why did our ancestor ever got off the trees?
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Old 2011-08-20, 13:00   Link #15948
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Quite so. And from an ethical standpoint, well, Animals have no compunctions against eating other animals, why should we place ourselves above them?
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Old 2011-08-20, 14:29   Link #15949
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Gaza needs to be taken care of. It cannot function in its present state as a country and it is realistically divided from the West Bank. It should either be part of Egypt, Israel, or Palastine needs a way to effectively control both regions as a country, both socially and politically. It is too small to function on its own without some real form of economy.

Given political relations with Israel, there is almost no recourse but violence. I am surprized that Israel didn't just evict the whole lot of them 40 years ago, and repopulated the place entirely while they had the Siani Pennisula as well as buffer zone.
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Old 2011-08-20, 14:38   Link #15950
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Rocket strikes continue in Israel
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Hamas militants in Gaza claimed responsibility for a volley of rockets that struck the southern Israeli town of Ofakim on Saturday. It's the latest in the ongoing tit-for-tat violence between Israel and Gaza militants over the past three days.

Two children and a man were injured when one of the rockets directly hit a building in Ofakim, according to Eli Bin, an emergency official in the region. Rockets also struck near the Israeli city of Beer Sheva, about 25 kilometers east of Ofakim, with two directly hitting a house and a car, Bin said.

Hamas' armed wing, the Izzedine al Qassam Brigades, said it fired four long-range Grad rockets at Ofakim. The strike was one of more than two dozen rocket and mortar attacks fired from Gaza into Israel Saturday, including a long-range missile that struck the Israeli port city of Ashdod, injuring three people, authorities said.
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Old 2011-08-20, 15:05   Link #15951
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This whole thing is just a massive game of who can be the biggest dick, isn't it?
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Old 2011-08-20, 20:03   Link #15952
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Seiyuu Arrested for Killing 3-Year-Old Girl

"A female seiyuu has been arrested for killing a 3-year-old girl she was in the process
of adopting."

"The seiyuu in question was not named in the initial reports, prompting intense
speculation as to her identity:"

See:

http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2011/0...year-old-girl/
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Old 2011-08-20, 22:43   Link #15953
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"Zero hour" for Gaddafi as besieged Tripoli rises up
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/...77A2Y920110821
After 6 month, and much outside help...
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Old 2011-08-20, 23:48   Link #15954
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Maybe this will end soon (at least for NATO).
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Old 2011-08-21, 00:43   Link #15955
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Quite so. And from an ethical standpoint, well, Animals have no compunctions against eating other animals, why should we place ourselves above them?
A lot of people either choose to believe or forget that we are animals.

And yeah, look at the animal kingdom, and you'll see that the animals that eat meat are often the most intelligent animals. Straight herbivores are often dumb as a sack of hammers.
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Old 2011-08-21, 03:02   Link #15956
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Also you do find "haves and have nots" in nature. That is pretty much the rule for carnivores. In a pack there is always an Aplha. The alpha gets to eat first, gets to mate first. Those that are not alpha sometimes get to eat, but it maybe les than survival level. And if you are not alpha you might not mate at all.

It gets worse outside the pack where you have to fight for your own territory, fight over the right to hunt or even live in an area of land. Fight over a mate.

While herbivors might not have quite that bad, sevral still fight over mating rights. And they are in danger of being eaten as prey.

Omnivors tend to be more intelligent since they can adapt to about whatever to eat, but have to figure out ways to avoid being eaten while also trying to find food. They are not immune to having a leader (aslpha) of a group, nor are thry above fighting over mates.

Our "unnatural" society is designed to keep us from our more base animal instincts. It isn't money that changed us, it was civilization which starts with simple forms of aggriculture and the invention of tools. Even hunter_gatherers have some forms of both those things. They may not plant farms, but they do purposely replant things they use about were they got them, and they make and use tools.

If anything could be blammed for our stranger behaviors versed animals it would be because of religion. Probably more so the monotheistic Judeac religions based on Jewish tradition, leading to various forms of Christianity and Islam. These have set many of our modern behaviors.
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Old 2011-08-21, 03:53   Link #15957
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"Zero hour" for Gaddafi as besieged Tripoli rises up
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/...77A2Y920110821
After 6 month, and much outside help...
I have absolutely no sympathy for Gaddafi, and may this end with a deserving fate for the madman.

However, the much more important question is the aftermath.
Will they be able to adapt a working democracy in the country? Will this lead to simply being replaced by another authoritarian tyrant?

Is NATO & UN simply going to close the case, and not get involved in helping develop a better government for them?
You know the proverb about giving fish or teaching how to fish.
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Old 2011-08-21, 04:00   Link #15958
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I have absolutely no sympathy for Gaddafi, and may this end with a deserving fate for the madman.

However, the much more important question is the aftermath.
Will they be able to adapt a working democracy in the country? Will this lead to simply being replaced by another authoritarian tyrant?

Is NATO & UN simply going to close the case, and not get involved in helping develop a better government for them?
You know the proverb about giving fish or teaching how to fish.
Given how their conservative leader is shot by Islamists, it might degenerate into a civil war - namely Mogadishu.
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Old 2011-08-21, 06:16   Link #15959
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Also you do find "haves and have nots" in nature. That is pretty much the rule for carnivores. In a pack there is always an Aplha. The alpha gets to eat first, gets to mate first. Those that are not alpha sometimes get to eat, but it maybe les than survival level. And if you are not alpha you might not mate at all.

It gets worse outside the pack where you have to fight for your own territory, fight over the right to hunt or even live in an area of land. Fight over a mate.

While herbivors might not have quite that bad, sevral still fight over mating rights. And they are in danger of being eaten as prey.

Omnivors tend to be more intelligent since they can adapt to about whatever to eat, but have to figure out ways to avoid being eaten while also trying to find food. They are not immune to having a leader (aslpha) of a group, nor are thry above fighting over mates.

Our "unnatural" society is designed to keep us from our more base animal instincts. It isn't money that changed us, it was civilization which starts with simple forms of aggriculture and the invention of tools. Even hunter_gatherers have some forms of both those things. They may not plant farms, but they do purposely replant things they use about were they got them, and they make and use tools.

If anything could be blammed for our stranger behaviors versed animals it would be because of religion. Probably more so the monotheistic Judeac religions based on Jewish tradition, leading to various forms of Christianity and Islam. These have set many of our modern behaviors.
Sound like Civilization and it's Discontents .

But regarding Omnivores, I think most of them tend to be near the top of the food chain and not need to worry overly about predation. The two most obvious examples being Bears and Wolves, of course they'd still eat meat sooner then plants.

I think a lot of people have an overly romanticised view of nature (Disneyfied perhaps...). The Irony is that when we set up anything that anthropomorphises animals, we tend to make the prey animals the "heroes" and the predators into "bullies". The really big Irony is that we ourselves are predators (perhaps the most effective ones of all!), and our favourite pets are also predators, namely Cats and Dogs. We're rather schizophrenic about the whole thing. I wonder how a vegan feels when he sees his cat brutally slowly kill and then play with a small rodent. And then the cat quite joyously devours the whole thing...

I think the problem is that a lot of vegetarians live in cities and don't come into contact with animals frequently, so it's easier for them to anthropomorphise animals they rarely if ever see.

Not only that, but if we stopped eating/hunting a lot of these animals, their populations would grow out of control! We're part of the ecosystem too! Obviously we need to keep ourselves a little in check (nature did too good a job with us), but if we stopped killing animals altogether...
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Old 2011-08-21, 09:38   Link #15960
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Sound like Civilization and it's Discontents .

But regarding Omnivores, I think most of them tend to be near the top of the food chain and not need to worry overly about predation. The two most obvious examples being Bears and Wolves, of course they'd still eat meat sooner then plants.

I think a lot of people have an overly romanticised view of nature (Disneyfied perhaps...). The Irony is that when we set up anything that anthropomorphises animals, we tend to make the prey animals the "heroes" and the predators into "bullies". The really big Irony is that we ourselves are predators (perhaps the most effective ones of all!), and our favourite pets are also predators, namely Cats and Dogs. We're rather schizophrenic about the whole thing. I wonder how a vegan feels when he sees his cat brutally slowly kill and then play with a small rodent. And then the cat quite joyously devours the whole thing...

I think the problem is that a lot of vegetarians live in cities and don't come into contact with animals frequently, so it's easier for them to anthropomorphise animals they rarely if ever see.

Not only that, but if we stopped eating/hunting a lot of these animals, their populations would grow out of control! We're part of the ecosystem too! Obviously we need to keep ourselves a little in check (nature did too good a job with us), but if we stopped killing animals altogether...
some vegan refer to other big apes and how they don't eat meat. conveniently forgetting that chimps routinely band together to hunt monkeys. Sometimes they don't even wait till the monkey is dead before the chimps start eating.
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