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View Poll Results: Steins;Gate - Episode 23 Rating
Perfect 10 129 80.63%
9 out of 10 : Excellent 20 12.50%
8 out of 10 : Very Good 8 5.00%
7 out of 10 : Good 2 1.25%
6 out of 10 : Average 0 0%
5 out of 10 : Below Average 0 0%
4 out of 10 : Poor 0 0%
3 out of 10 : Bad 0 0%
2 out of 10 : Very Bad 0 0%
1 out of 10 : Painful 1 0.63%
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Old 2011-09-07, 02:04   Link #81
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I don't doubt that Okarin has suffered, and maybe that should be enough. I guess I'm sort of looking at it through the lens of "equivalent exchange", if you will, and it doesn't seem to measure up to that standard. But maybe that's the wrong standard.
i get what you mean.

but hey, it's science, i aint gotta explain shit
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Old 2011-09-07, 02:13   Link #82
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If Okarin is happy, Kurisu survives and she and Okarin are together
I see this ending not unlike Madoka; Okarin saves Makise but that's it - Okarin is a stranger to Makise in this timeline, and the two may go different paths.
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Old 2011-09-07, 02:15   Link #83
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I see this ending not unlike Madoka; Okarin saves Makise but that's it - Okarin is a stranger to Makise in this timeline, and the two may go different paths.
no way, after the release of emotion in 22 and the transferring of some parts of the reading steiner

they have to do something.

i'm thinking something along the lines of the AnoHana rolling credits where it hints towards a future relationship

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Old 2011-09-07, 02:23   Link #84
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no way, after the release of emotion in 22 and the transferring of some parts of the reading steiner

they have to do something.

i'm thinking something along the lines of the AnoHana rolling credits where it hints towards a future relationship

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Well, seeing how in the alpha timeline they only knew each other for a few weeks anyway, it's entirely possible they befriend again.. Assuming the Steings;Gate timeline isn't so different that Makise is a different character (maybe she wants to return to America, has a boyfriend, is traumatized by her father's attempted murder and decides to leave town, etc.)

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Old 2011-09-07, 02:31   Link #85
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10/10, Amazing episode, everything was spot on. I loved noticing all the little changes to the opening too.

I wonder how Okabe will stop his newer past self from killing Kurisu with his master plan. I'm just a little confused. Wouldn't stopping Okabe #2 with him knowing create some sort of paradox of not making present-him go the second time? (And thus erasing his memories?) So I guess he must trick both Okabes. Also, when Okabe #2 "killed" Kirisu, she was already faking it from the very beginning somehow? Maybe present Okabe switches the knife to a plastic one or something. Ahh, my brain hurts. This makes me really excited for the finale!!

Edit; By this reasoning, doesn't that mean Kurisu is actually alive during the entirety of this world line making this already the Steins Gate? (But I guess they didn't stop WW3 yet though....or did they? Why would Suzuha still be here?) This is where I get confused too. If all this isn't true, are there multiple world lines for her actual death? Sorry, I probably sound really confusing with all these questions and what-not.
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Old 2011-09-07, 02:49   Link #86
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I don't doubt that Okarin has suffered, and maybe that should be enough. I guess I'm sort of looking at it through the lens of "equivalent exchange", if you will, and it doesn't seem to measure up to that standard. But maybe that's the wrong standard.
Okabe took away all the wishes of his friends. He has had to entertain mental torment for weeks, something he'll live with for the rest of his life. The pain, the struggle, that doesn't go away.

It was not an easy struggle either.

So how can you honestly say that this is coming as cheap? I think his struggle is rendered meaningless if someone stayed dead in the end. It makes more literary sense for him to triumph.
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Old 2011-09-07, 02:51   Link #87
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Not sure if this could be considered "cheap"

I mean Okabe was cheating all along, to help save his friends and to get something he wanted. So I mean, at what cost? Well, we have to consider that the timelines do not get "undone" they still exist; they just jump from one to another.

But hey, I say, if you're gonna cheat and manipulate reality; you might as well go all the way.
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Old 2011-09-07, 03:07   Link #88
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Old 2011-09-07, 03:33   Link #89
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Amazing episode! 11/10!!!

I am so surprised on how well they have been able to tie the entire plot together. Everything makes sense and doesn't feel too far fetched. Sure some people could call that the way how Kurisu's father is the main reason for Kurisu's death is pretty cheesy and uninspired twist but I don't feel like that. In my opinion this was a perfect way to tie things together without throwing totally unknown villain at viewers at the last second. We have been given lot of information about Kurisu's father throughout the series and I am glad that we finally got a face for all that information.

The spacing in this episode was just absolutely brilliant. I didn't feel bored even for a single second and the way the tension built up towards the ending of the episode was just awesome. I am also glad for the fact that Mayushii had a vital role in this episode for being the emotional attachment for Okarin; Mayushii and the video from Okarin's future self were the main reasons why Okarin was able to pull himself back together.

Also, loved the music! Nice little touch as it is, as far as I know (haven't played the VN games) it is the opening track for the Xbox360 version of Steins;Gate VN.

Just can't praise this episode enough. The animation was great, although, could have been better but was done well enough to fit into the mood. This episode also contained, in my opinion, one the best works that Mamoru Miyano (voice actor for Okarin) has ever done.

Woah... simply amazing. This episode just put a smile on my face. Hardly any anime or any other tv show has been able to do that but this episode just did that. Okarin's video was awesome and when he did the Mayushii's hand up in the sky reaching for the sun thing I was just so pumped up!

Can't.Wait.For.Next.Week.

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ps: funny how the future Okarin was wearing the exactly same type of clothing as the current Okarin :P
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Old 2011-09-07, 03:46   Link #90
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10/10 I love this episode ^_^

From the way Makise looks at Okabe when they meet at the top of the stairs, I think, next episode, Okabe tells Makise everything, and ask her to play along. He can convince her with everything he knows about her like that fork and spoon stuff. He knows where he stabbed her so put a fake blood bag and some protection there.

But I think it will be more fun if he just kidnap her to the future like a mad scientist should. he he
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Old 2011-09-07, 03:55   Link #91
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But I think it will be more fun if he just kidnap her to the future like a mad scientist should. he he
^ This. He he.

I'm not very good with reviews, but this episode was just... woah. Everything clicked into place now, and not only that, it was just so downright depressing for the first section, but the swing at the end caused me to regain hope almost exactly like what Okabe is going through, and it's as if I can feel what he's feeling. Really intense! 10/10/
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Old 2011-09-07, 04:09   Link #92
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I don't doubt that Okarin has suffered, and maybe that should be enough. I guess I'm sort of looking at it through the lens of "equivalent exchange", if you will, and it doesn't seem to measure up to that standard. But maybe that's the wrong standard.
Even if the last episode does turn out to be a total happy ending I don't think it will feel like a cheap/clichéd one; judging by this episode alone I'd say Steins;Gate has the potential for more than just that in the finale.
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Old 2011-09-07, 04:25   Link #93
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Okabe took away all the wishes of his friends.
That's a good point.

If someone is looking for a lasting cost other than simple mental anguish during the struggle itself, then here it is, in flying colors.

So... as long as Feyris' father doesn't magically arise A-Ok come the finale, I'll be perfectly cool with it.
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Old 2011-09-07, 05:22   Link #94
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He's just going to make it look as if Kurisu is dead, that will trigger everything you've seen since episode 1.

The whole point of it is to retain all the memories of what happened in the other timelines.
This is true.

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In the original timeline, there was no need for him to save Kurisu she doesn't actually die
This isn't. Kurisu is destined to die in the Beta world line, if Okabe didn't intervene Kurisu's father would have killed her, but when he intervenes the Attractor Field made him kill Kurisu (as one possible outcome), hence why there is a need to create the Steins;Gate world line that is different to the Beta line, but to do that Okabe needed his memories and experience from the Alpha line as well as this "new" extra experience in Beta line to cause his future self to have all the understanding and skill needed to come up with the plan, that's why he can't just run in and save Kurisu, he must do so without altering *his own past* at the same time. One theory is that if he doesn't let the past self see Kurisu "dead", the moment he returns to his own time the world would be reconstructed into something entirely different, or that the current Okabe would vanish because there would be a cause and effect paradox, in essence he is actually abusing this same cause and effect paradox to force the world to construct a new world line. Preventing her death just happens to be what's needed to stop WW3 as well, so consider that as the bonus.
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Old 2011-09-07, 06:19   Link #95
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Okabe took away all the wishes of his friends. He has had to entertain mental torment for weeks, something he'll live with for the rest of his life. The pain, the struggle, that doesn't go away.

It was not an easy struggle either.

So how can you honestly say that this is coming as cheap? I think his struggle is rendered meaningless if someone stayed dead in the end. It makes more literary sense for him to triumph.
I think this is the general prejudice against time travel stories in general. Many sees in them easy reset button stories. But we have a tendency to forget the heavy cost that comes with them. Mentally, a time traveller drift away further from his/her friends, not only mentally but also socially, he have gained experiences that makes him even more of a stranger to them.

Even if said traveller thinks it would be a good idea to drop by any of the World Wars, and somehow manages to survive, and gets back in his time machine, he would never be able to erase the horrors he have witnessed and lived in those timeframes.

Back to The Future movies were actually light when it comes to the consequences on the time travellers, one have to watch movies like The Butterfly Effect to witness the horrors and the sorrows that comes with trying to Set Right What Went Wrong.

And people, remember that Samuel Beckett NEVER made it back home. So would we please drop some of those prejudices against time travel stories, especially the Easy Reset Button one?
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Old 2011-09-07, 06:24   Link #96
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great promising episode..
After the failed attempt, Okarin gets some courage from himself 15 years in the future. there are 2 easy objectives but to deceive himself (for me, that is the hardest task that he will do.)

btw, what's the title of that ending song even before the credits fall?
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Old 2011-09-07, 06:29   Link #97
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10/10, Amazing episode, everything was spot on. I loved noticing all the little changes to the opening too.

I wonder how Okabe will stop his newer past self from killing Kurisu with his master plan. I'm just a little confused. Wouldn't stopping Okabe #2 with him knowing create some sort of paradox of not making present-him go the second time? (And thus erasing his memories?) So I guess he must trick both Okabes. Also, when Okabe #2 "killed" Kirisu, she was already faking it from the very beginning somehow? Maybe present Okabe switches the knife to a plastic one or something. Ahh, my brain hurts. This makes me really excited for the finale!!
I think there will only be one other Okabe when he arrives a second time. Remember, he went back physically with Suzuha's time machine (as evidenced with him still having Kurisu's blood on his lab coat), as opposed to all the other time traveling he's done so far, where he only transfered his memories into an already existing body in an alternate timeline. So, I think his very existence in that specific time period will be erased by the time he redoes his trip again, leaving only Past Okabe and an alive Kurisu.

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Edit; By this reasoning, doesn't that mean Kurisu is actually alive during the entirety of this world line making this already the Steins Gate? (But I guess they didn't stop WW3 yet though....or did they? Why would Suzuha still be here?) This is where I get confused too. If all this isn't true, are there multiple world lines for her actual death? Sorry, I probably sound really confusing with all these questions and what-not.
Kurisu only dies in the beta timeline, the one Okabe's currently in. Maybe she also dies in the Alpha timeline (the one where Mayuri kept dying), but it's also possible that she merely gets abducted and forced to work for SERN, but we don't actually see this, so we can only speculate.

Anyway, WWIII happens when she dies (and her father makes it to Russia with her papers in hand), so if Okabe can keep her alive in this timeline AND prevent her father from taking Kurisu's papers with him, he'll succeed and enter the Steins Gate timeline, where WWIII doesn't happen, SERN remains unaware of Okabe's existence, Kurisu (and probably Mayuri) will stay alive and he'll be the one creating the first true time machine over the course of years (unless he changes his mind later and stops working on it).
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Old 2011-09-07, 06:38   Link #99
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great promising episode..
After the failed attempt, Okarin gets some courage from himself 15 years in the future. there are 2 easy objectives but to deceive himself (for me, that is the hardest task that he will do.)

btw, what's the title of that ending song even before the credits fall?
The ending song title is "Sky Clad Observer" (or Sky Clad no Kansokusha). It is also the opening song of the XBox 360 Visual Novel version (the source material) a few years ago, hence this song is considered the main song for Steins:Gate.
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Old 2011-09-07, 06:58   Link #100
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Wow, that was an awesome episode. This episode just did so many things right. I really love how Okabe didn't coincidently find a way to save Kurisu but he actually worked on it and suffered for 15 years before finding a way and then telling it to his past self.
Though I do wonder why he didn't come back himself and change the past.

As for the plan itself, how exactly does deceiving Okabe into thinking Kurisu died saves her when she is still alive? Does this mean that world only tries to stay true to the past according to the memories of the one attempting to change it? Since Okabe remembers Kurisu(and Mayuri in alpha timeline) dying, the attractor field recreates the future according to the past he remembers just to arrive at the same outcome?
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