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Old 2011-10-02, 09:48   Link #1
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Fate/Zero - Fate/Stay Night: connecting the dots

Fate/Zero and Fate/Stay night are 2 series closely connected together as the former is the prequel of the latter.
As such, many points from a certain series may be answered with the other one.

In order to avoid way too many spoilers and questions in the Fate/Zero thread, this thread shall serve for those who are little to not used to a specific chapter of the franchise or those who require a little memory refresh.
For instance, things like "Why the summoning process are so different in Zero and Stay Night?" or "What is "Heaven's feel" can be answered here without any problem.
In short, the sole purpose of this thread is to explain the many connections between Zero and Stay night which were not really clear for some people. This is of course leading to spoilers and whatnot.
However, this is not supposed to be a wiki/full spoiler thread, where "anything and everything" is explained (that is basically the spoiler game thread).

This is basically a very niche and specific thread. A very quick Q&A for anything bridging both franchise. It is -not- supposed to clarify the whole fateverse/nasuverse at all.

It has to be noted that due to the nature of the topic, this will severely spoil you for either Fate/Zero and/or Fate/Stay Night. So please use your own discretion if you want to learn more about the various connections (recurrent characters, events, details, noble phantasm etc) between the 2 franchise.
Therefore, Spoiler rules are -not- applied here, but please only stay ontopic: answer precisely the inquiry posted and avoid extending the answers with needless details.

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Old 2011-10-02, 09:48   Link #2
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Fate/Zero - Fate/Stay Night: connecting the dots

It was about 2 years since I watched Fate/Stay Night so I might not remeber details but... I don't remember masters knowing about each other there. All of the masters in Stay Night seemed to be suprised in one or another way when they discovered each other while here they know almost everyone.

And also weren't servants chosen by luck in Fate Night? Their summons seemed to by chance. At least Shirou got Saber by pure luck what begs a question... why no one else tried to summon her back then?

While here they summon them knowingly... and what if servants' masters tried to summon same servant at the same time? What then?
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Old 2011-10-02, 09:48   Link #3
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And also weren't servants chosen by luck in Fate Night? Their summons seemed to by chance. At least Shirou got Saber by pure luck what begs a question... why no one else tried to summon her back then?

While here they summon them knowingly... and what if servants' masters tried to summon same servant at the same time? What then?
I think Deen's F/SN did a pretty bad job about depicting this, but if you watch closely, the summons weren't random at all, meaning all the masters had a relic connecting them to their servants (of the ones shown, at least). What I believe is that if you don't have a specific relic, the hero that you summon is random. Also, it is very hard to find a relic of the heros of the past, so it is very unlikely that two masters would each have a different relic that one hero possessed. And the 7 class system is probably there to stop this as well, though this is just my guess.
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Old 2011-10-02, 10:02   Link #4
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And also weren't servants chosen by luck in Fate Night? Their summons seemed to by chance. At least Shirou got Saber by pure luck what begs a question... why no one else tried to summon her back then?

While here they summon them knowingly... and what if servants' masters tried to summon same servant at the same time? What then?
shirou didnt get saber by luck... i believe
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Old 2011-10-02, 10:05   Link #5
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Well let's take Rin for example, from what I remeber she did have a relic but I seriously doubt that she meant to summon the archer she had... I don't think she even knew herself who archer really was.

Or is my memory deceiving me and she didn't have a relic?
She did have a relic.

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Old 2011-10-02, 10:20   Link #6
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And also weren't servants chosen by luck in Fate Night? Their summons seemed to by chance. At least Shirou got Saber by pure luck what begs a question... why no one else tried to summon her back then?

While here they summon them knowingly... and what if servants' masters tried to summon same servant at the same time? What then?
In F/SN, Rin was disappointed she drew Archer, and there were a couple times when she asked him to do something and he responded, "Uh, Archers don't have that ability," so she probably had a relic but someone else had already drawn the class she wanted.

The dialogue (or at least the subs) for F/Z did mess up by stating that a relic is necessary for the drawing, while in the novel it's said to be merely an option.

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Old 2011-10-02, 10:30   Link #7
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It was about 2 years since I watched Fate/Stay Night so I might not remeber details but... I don't remember masters knowing about each other there. All of the masters in Stay Night seemed to be suprised in one or another way when they discovered each other while here they know almost everyone.

And also weren't servants chosen by luck in Fate Night? Their summons seemed to by chance. At least Shirou got Saber by pure luck what begs a question... why no one else tried to summon her back then?

While here they summon them knowingly... and what if servants' masters tried to summon same servant at the same time? What then?
Shirou did have a relic to summon Saber with. He just wasn't aware he had one.

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Old 2011-10-02, 10:45   Link #8
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In F/SN, Rin was disappointed she drew Archer, and there were a couple times when she asked him to do something and he responded, "Uh, Archers don't have that ability," so she probably had a relic but someone else had already drawn the class she wanted.
No she didn't have a relic. She was hoping to boost her summoning by using the jewel and force the Saber class servant to become hers, but since all the clocks in her house were one hour fast she didn't do it in the time when her magic power would be at it's highest (1AM I think, or was it midnight?).

But since she had a "relic" if you could call it that, she would probably have gotten archer even if she hadn't screwed up her summoning. He probably would just have appeared normally in front of her like the others instead of him falling through the roof
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Old 2011-10-02, 15:26   Link #9
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So since Iilya is Kiritsugus daughter did she know about Shirou and Kiritsugu? Or does she not know Kiritsugu is her father?
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So since Iilya is Kiritsugus daughter did she know about Shirou and Kiritsugu? Or does she not know Kiritsugu is her father?
She does know. It's an important plot point in the Heaven's Feel arc of the visual novel.
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Old 2011-10-02, 15:36   Link #11
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The servants weren't chosen at random at all.

Shirou had many connections to Saber. The most directly applicable one was that
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Rin had a very important connection to archer too. She had a relic as well.
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But yes, a relic isn't absolutely necessary for a summon and the grail chooses masters that didn't have a relic (or any connection to the war at all) once the war is near and if it doesn't have 7 proper masters and servants already. It still chooses servants that share a connection with the masters though.
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It still chooses servants that share a connection with the masters though.
So it's not possible to choose your own Servant by choosing a certian Relic or am I understanding wrong?
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So it's not possible to choose your own Servent by choosing a certian Relic or am I understanding wrong?
The Grail only chooses if you don't have a relic. If you do, it'll summon that Servant.
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Relics can be linked to more than one hero, though....
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Relics can be linked to more than one hero, though....
Oh, can you explain that?
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Old 2011-10-02, 16:04   Link #16
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Well, suppose you had a piece of the Round Table. There are about 30 heroes who that could potentially link to. In such a case, you would get the hero who was best matched to your personality out of that list.
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That makes sense then. Thanks.
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Can someone explain to me why different heroes are summoned for each class at different times?

Eg. Why Berserker is a different person in each series?

I understand there are more ancient personas than the ones seen in the first series, but does each class (no matter the character) possess the same abilities?
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There are many heroes, many magi, many relics. If they were always the same, they wouldn't be termed after the class, but rather the hero.
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Is it possible for two Masters to summon a Servant of the same class or is it one Master per class?
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