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View Poll Results: Fate/Zero - Episode 1 Rating
Perfect 10 107 48.86%
9 out of 10 : Excellent 65 29.68%
8 out of 10 : Very Good 25 11.42%
7 out of 10 : Good 13 5.94%
6 out of 10 : Average 5 2.28%
5 out of 10 : Below Average 1 0.46%
4 out of 10 : Poor 2 0.91%
3 out of 10 : Bad 1 0.46%
2 out of 10 : Very Bad 0 0%
1 out of 10 : Painful 0 0%
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Old 2011-10-04, 05:03   Link #281
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The OP song's in my HEAD!
It could be worse. Poor Kariya has worms inside his head.
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Old 2011-10-04, 09:01   Link #282
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The OP song's in my HEAD!

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It could be worse. Poor Kariya has worms inside his head.
lol XD both made me laugh... not sarcastic.

Fortunately, I'll blast him to bits in my dream. (crap I mean zouken)

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That's really what the berserker class do. Powers up the melee abilities of the servant in exchange of its sanity. Would you cast the berserker class over caster for example ?. Its possible but a terrible idea if you ask me .
I'd use it on Lancer (he's crazily fast anyway)... if I use it on Assassin, his AGI will go to EX.

I guess there will never be a 100% satisfaction rating for this anime (in a few more days, the 'bad' ratings would increase).
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Old 2011-10-04, 13:00   Link #283
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lol XD both made me laugh... not sarcastic.

Fortunately, I'll blast him to bits in my dream. (crap I mean zouken)



I'd use it on Lancer (he's crazily fast anyway)... if I use it on Assassin, his AGI will go to EX.

I guess there will never be a 100% satisfaction rating for this anime (in a few more days, the 'bad' ratings would increase).
If you wanted to summon a Lancer type hero like
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in the Berserk class wouldn't his agility drop? The Berserker class is the only on that can use The Mad Enhancement.
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Old 2011-10-04, 13:40   Link #284
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If you wanted to summon a Lancer type hero like
Spoiler for Fate Stay/Night:
in the Berserk class wouldn't his agility drop? The Berserker class is the only on that can use The Mad Enhancement.
The mad enhancement its a spell you can cast over berserker class. Rank's up all parameters except Luck and Mana. Also the mental capabilities like talk or independent thinking of the servant depends on his/her natural disposition/resistance to madness.

So the lancer from FSN would end like this if that heroic spirit is summoned in berserker class instead of lancer.

As we see him in the FSN game status screen as lancer
Strength B
Endurance C
Agility A
Mana C
Luck E
Noble phantasm B

As a berserker
Strength A
Endurance B
Agility A+
Mana B
Luck D
Noble phantasm A

Its a really fast killing machine so bhl88 made a good choice.

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Old 2011-10-04, 15:19   Link #285
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OP was amazing. The episode was amazing. First time seeing Kariya without the ugly face. As expected little Rin is cute.
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Old 2011-10-04, 16:19   Link #286
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The mad enhancement its a spell you can cast over berserker class. Rank's up all parameters except Luck and Mana. Also the mental capabilities like talk or independent thinking of the servant depends on his/her natural disposition/resistance to madness.

So the lancer from FSN would end like this if that heroic spirit is summoned in berserker class instead of lancer.

As we see him in the FSN game status screen as lancer
Strength B
Endurance C
Agility A
Mana C
Luck E
Noble phantasm B

As a berserker
Strength A
Endurance B
Agility A+
Mana B
Luck D
Noble phantasm A

If you cast mad enhancement
Strenght A+
Endurance A
Agility A++
Mana B
Luck D
Noble phantasm A+

Its a really fast killing machine so bhl88 made a good choice.
But wouldn't this mean you would always want to use a servant in the Berserker class because of the boost he will get (even if he isn't under mad enhancement)?

I think it would be more logic if the berseker class didn't gave such a hugh boost without mad enhancement and that the lancer class would give an agility boost.
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Old 2011-10-04, 16:22   Link #287
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Well you get a servant who is pretty much incapable of thinking for themselves. Which makes all advanced strategies impossible. Strong Berserkers are also really hard to control (that was what Ilya's full body command spell was for in F/SN).
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Old 2011-10-04, 16:28   Link #288
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As we see him in the FSN game status screen as lancer

As a berserker

If you cast mad enhancement

Its a really fast killing machine so bhl88 made a good choice.
Berserker Class itself has the default Mad Enhancement, so overall, it is only 1 rank, not 2. This is even more obvious with F/SN Berserker stats sheet only show 1 increment for each stats, not 2.
You cannot have a Berserker Class servant without Mad Enhancement.
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Old 2011-10-04, 16:28   Link #289
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I have but one question: After seeing what Zouken did to Sakura, and after a year of torture for both Sakura and Karyia... why did Karyia not order Berserker to murder Zouken the second after he summoned him? Even if Berserker would refuse, Karyia has the command spell. I doubt Zouken would have been able to defend against such an attack.
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Old 2011-10-04, 16:35   Link #290
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I have but one question: After seeing what Zouken did to Sakura, and after a year of torture for both Sakura and Karyia... why did Karyia not order Berserker to murder Zouken the second after he summoned him? Even if Berserker would refuse, Karyia has the command spell. I doubt Zouken would have been able to defend against such an attack.
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Old 2011-10-04, 17:10   Link #291
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I have but one question: After seeing what Zouken did to Sakura, and after a year of torture for both Sakura and Karyia... why did Karyia not order Berserker to murder Zouken the second after he summoned him? Even if Berserker would refuse, Karyia has the command spell. I doubt Zouken would have been able to defend against such an attack.
We answered that one already a few pages back with out giving out spoilers.

Also check the new spoiler policy regarding Fate/zero - FSN.
http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=107316

Spoiler for from page 13:


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Berserker Class itself has the default Mad Enhancement, so overall, it is only 1 rank, not 2. This is even more obvious with F/SN Berserker stats sheet only show 1 increment for each stats, not 2.
You cannot have a Berserker Class servant without Mad Enhancement.
Absolutely true... Madness B (original name) = Mad enhancement (name in the booklets) they decide to change the name, sorry my mistake. So the lancer from FSN will end up like this:

As a berserker
Strength A
Endurance B
Agility A+
Mana B
Luck D
Noble phantasm A

Still pretty good though...

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But wouldn't this mean you would always want to use a servant in the Berserker class because of the boost he will get (even if he isn't under mad enhancement)?

I think it would be more logic if the berseker class didn't gave such a hugh boost without mad enhancement and that the lancer class would give an agility boost.
The problem is that the berserker class might be the most powerfull melee fighter but at the same time the most difficult to control, so its like throwing a train over a bunch of ants hoping you will kill them with the blast. and the problem is that even an ant will bite back if you give them the chance.

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Old 2011-10-04, 18:15   Link #292
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Berserker Class itself has the default Mad Enhancement, so overall, it is only 1 rank, not 2. This is even more obvious with F/SN Berserker stats sheet only show 1 increment for each stats, not 2.
You cannot have a Berserker Class servant without Mad Enhancement.
But then why did Karyia have to add those two to lines to his incantation?
Weren't those not for using Mad Enhancement on Berserker?
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But then why did Karyia have to add those two to lines to his incantation?
Weren't those not for using Mad Enhancement on Berserker?
i believed they were added to make sure he got a berserker.
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i believed they were added to make sure he got a berserker.
Didn't they use a relic for that?

After Zouken presses his stick in Kariya's leg he says he has prepared a relic for him.


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But then why did Karyia have to add those two to lines to his incantation?
Weren't those not for using Mad Enhancement on Berserker?
Anymore ideas?
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Didn't they use a relic for that?

After Zouken presses his stick in Kariya's leg he says he has prepared a relic for him.




Anymore ideas?
The Relic is used to summon a particular Hero not the class itself.
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The additional lines were meant to make sure he gets a Berserker class. From the looks of it, it was a knight and I think a knight could fall under a few classes.
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From the looks of it, it was a knight and I think a knight could fall under a few classes.
Like all three of the Knight classes?
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Old 2011-10-05, 03:47   Link #298
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The Relic is used to summon a particular Hero not the class itself.
I forgot that

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The additional lines were meant to make sure he gets a Berserker class. From the looks of it, it was a knight and I think a knight could fall under a few classes.
Thanks for clearing it up for me.

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Old 2011-10-05, 04:41   Link #299
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The mad enhancement its a spell you can cast over berserker class. Rank's up all parameters except Luck and Mana. Also the mental capabilities like talk or independent thinking of the servant depends on his/her natural disposition/resistance to madness.

So the lancer from FSN would end like this if that heroic spirit is summoned in berserker class instead of lancer.

As we see him in the FSN game status screen as lancer
Strength B
Endurance C
Agility A
Mana C
Luck E
Noble phantasm B

As a berserker
Strength A
Endurance B
Agility A+
Mana B
Luck D
Noble phantasm A

Its a really fast killing machine so bhl88 made a good choice.
... Mana would remain C and Luck would remain E.
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Old 2011-10-06, 08:02   Link #300
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Awesome!! This anime really living up it's expectation.... perfect!!
now I can find a darker history and Holy Grail battle....
and also I can understand better what is happening in Fate/Series
I have decided to finish Fate/Zero and the rewatch Fate Stay Night.... lol
can't wait for the ultimate showdown between Kiritsugu and Kotomine (they already suspect each other from beginning)

I almost laugh at all of their ambition... it's just unbelievable if they know what actually is happening in the next Holy Grail War.... xD... they will be very pissed off
ah! and I hate Matou family more and more (except Sakura and Kariya maybe... hahaha)
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