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Old 2011-10-18, 19:47   Link #101
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Its true that yuri is overshadowed by yaoi but hentai is many time more popular tha yaoi in the West and in fact hentai already had strong fandom long before yaoi gaining foothold in the West. At least I'm proud to be bo yuri and hentai fanboy.
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Old 2011-10-20, 18:29   Link #102
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Hentai > yuri > yaoi

enough said.
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Old 2011-10-24, 06:10   Link #103
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Hentai > yuri > yaoi

enough said.
Absolutely.
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Old 2011-10-24, 08:10   Link #104
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It seems that surprisingly the male population isn't as interested in yuri as much as women are interested in yaoi. I say this is strange because usual males are a lot more open at stating that "lesbian sex" turns them on. But maybe the problem is that most yuri aren't really focused on sex but more on the romance.
Your so so right...Hmmmm
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Old 2012-05-27, 04:11   Link #105
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I watched Yuri for one reason, its erotic.... even the romantic lines and huggings are like electricity. Don't care about plot as long as a lot of kissing and that...

Why yaoi is dominant? probably most female anime fans watched it while half of male anime fans watched yuri.
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Old 2012-05-27, 06:25   Link #106
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Since this thread has now been bumped, there's something I've noticed lately that I think is pertinent to this topic.

While searching the Booru sites or Pixiv for images of my favorite yuri pairs (Nanoha and Fate, Saki and Nodoka, etc...), one thing I've recently noticed is just how often yuri turns into futanari (warning: there's an image at that link that's decidedly NSFW).

This makes me, as a big yuri fan, question just how popular yuri truly is. I personally think that if a person truly loves yuri, they don't need to turn it into futanari. I think this is especially true if you compare it to yaoi, where I don't think there's any tendency quite like futanari.


On a tangental note, I've also recently become aware of how there's some popular yuri manga that's never been adapted into anime (the Girl Friends manga being a good example of this). That also makes me suspect that maybe male anime fans actually don't go for yuri all that much. Again, I write this as a big yuri fan myself. I wish there was an anime adaptation of the Girl Friends manga.
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Old 2012-05-27, 06:36   Link #107
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Sexuality in society tends to be very cock-centric, so it seems that people (mostly guys) will demand the contrivance of a penis somehow. And yea, I guess they really aren't into yuri, more like 2 girls having sex.
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Old 2012-05-27, 06:38   Link #108
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This makes me, as a big yuri fan, question just how popular yuri truly is. I personally think that if a person truly loves yuri, they don't need to turn it into futanari. I think this is especially true if you compare it to yaoi, where I don't think there's any tendency quite like futanari.
Yeah. Honestly I'm not a fan of yuri myself but you can't say that I hate it either. I play Sono Hanabira Games and still waiting for more out of it. If we talk about anime, I might make some distance, but again I don't hate it, I bought Simoun and is satisfied with it. And oh, I watched Maria Sama Miteru but I think its more of Shoujo Ai which I prefer more than that of Yuri (I find yuri a bit intimate for my taste)

About the futanari thing, someone said that some yuri became futanaris just for putting a somewhat "male" feeling in them or males are not that completely left out of the act if you know what I mean...
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Old 2012-05-27, 08:09   Link #109
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The reason for this is fujoshis prefer yaoi while otakus prefer hentai.
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Old 2012-05-27, 16:39   Link #110
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one thing I've recently noticed is just how often yuri turns into futanari
One theory I heard some time ago is that in Japan many female phantasize about a male-less society (which makes sense since even nowadays they are second rate citizens) and in a sense futanari just achieves that since futanari invariably are portrayed as girls (look at the hips if in doubt) with a penis and not as men with breasts.
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Old 2012-05-27, 17:40   Link #111
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Sexuality in society tends to be very cock-centric, so it seems that people (mostly guys) will demand the contrivance of a penis somehow. And yea, I guess they really aren't into yuri, more like 2 girls having sex.
Yeah I think that's pretty much it. Its more about the sex scenes than anything else that guys care about in yuri manga's. Its no surprise then that many of them have those scenes. Guess that could be the reason why they aren't animated. 'Cause without them there would be a considerable drop in people purchasing it.

Also, I have noticed that there are a LOT of one-shots in the yuri genre.
Is that specific to this genre only or is it the same for yaoi?(I stay away from yaoi so I wouldn't know)
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Old 2012-05-27, 17:48   Link #112
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Just smelled Eragon, HAH!

Yeah, normally most guy would be turned off by romantic conversations between two yuri couple but it changes simultaneously when "this" and "that" comes in. Bet they'll race in front of the screen.
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Old 2012-05-27, 20:26   Link #113
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Sexuality in society tends to be very cock-centric, so it seems that people (mostly guys) will demand the contrivance of a penis somehow. And yea, I guess they really aren't into yuri, more like 2 girls having sex.
Eh, I'd say it's closer to the idea that people want to see some form of penetration in any representation of intercourse. Otherwise Trap X Trap should be a lot more popular than it currently is. Besides, male genitalia are just one means of penetration anyway.
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While searching the Booru sites or Pixiv for images of my favorite yuri pairs (Nanoha and Fate, Saki and Nodoka, etc...), one thing I've recently noticed is just how often yuri turns into futanari

This makes me, as a big yuri fan, question just how popular yuri truly is. I personally think that if a person truly loves yuri, they don't need to turn it into futanari. I think this is especially true if you compare it to yaoi, where I don't think there's any tendency quite like futanari.
It's strange. I've had somewhat of the opposite experience while looking for yuri manga or yuri doujins in general. Maybe there's something about stand-alone pictures that makes them more susceptible to being futanari'd than something resembling a story?

I think the closest thing yaoi has to futanari is trap-on-trap. It looks more like two girls going at it instead of two guys.
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Old 2012-05-28, 03:44   Link #114
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Eh, I'd say it's closer to the idea that people want to see some form of penetration in any representation of intercourse. Otherwise Trap X Trap should be a lot more popular than it currently is. Besides, male genitalia are just one means of penetration anyway.
But the penis is one of the most common thoughts of sexual penetration. In the mind of popular culture it comes closest to the default.

This is coming from a male-oriented mindset. It's probably alien to many that sex could happen without a penis, and if you think about it actual lesbians aren't attracted to males, but in the terms of males treating lesbians as arousal material, the penis is the easiest way to umm... self-insert.
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Old 2012-05-28, 06:27   Link #115
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Speaking of cocks, there are those like otome wa boku ni koishiteru which impose pseudo-yuri where one of the girls is actually a cross-dressing male. Which is obviously aimed at men.

I have been on the impression that males like yuri as much as females like yaoi (well, I do like yuri), but I'm not so sure now. I guess it's a popular addition in your hentai (i.e. 3P and above), but not so much a popular dish on it's own?

Btw, which audience do you think the whole "trap" thingy is aimed at? It should count as yaoi, but somehow I get the feeling this isn't as popular among the females compared to the male audience.
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Old 2012-05-28, 06:46   Link #116
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I hate it when people compared yuri to yaoi. Of course yuri is many time less popular than yaoi but yuri never intended to have big market to begin with. Yaoi in other hand are porn for women. It is something that made for women by women themselves, except for the voice acting unless you count the shouta ones which usually voiced by women. Yuri is quite different. Although it still safe to say yuri is still generally appeal men but some other yuri mangas/shows are actually targeted to female readers/viewers. In fact the very first manga that had lesbianism as important plot device was actually a shoujo one. Not something for male audiences.

I think the thread starter should compare yaoi to hentai instead, which already had bigger market and wider appeal than yaoi.
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Old 2012-05-28, 11:25   Link #117
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This is coming from a male-oriented mindset. It's probably alien to many that sex could happen without a penis, and if you think about it actual lesbians aren't attracted to males, but in the terms of males treating lesbians as arousal material, the penis is the easiest way to umm... self-insert.
Why does that make so much sense?

On a side note, now that you've mentioned a male perspective, it's worth noting that the readership for Yuri Hime is 70% female (1). Speaking of audience avatars I've never seen a yuri with a faceless girl similar to how hetero has a faceless guy. I'm guessing female readers feel less inclined to put themselves in there.
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Old 2012-05-30, 23:11   Link #118
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Btw, which audience do you think the whole "trap" thingy is aimed at? It should count as yaoi, but somehow I get the feeling this isn't as popular among the females compared to the male audience.
It's something soooo wrong it's meant to scar rather than excite....

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Old 2012-05-31, 07:12   Link #119
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To be fair, the TG fandom is one of the larger erotic fandoms.
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Old 2012-06-02, 02:39   Link #120
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Whenever I read yuri hentai doujins ,I always go with the futanari ones because I always thought natural penetration is always better and more erotic. It'snot that I find non-futa boring though. I just thought real sex will always involve a cock. XD
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