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Old 2011-10-27, 22:45   Link #1041
TruthTaco
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Alluka should not be able to grant any wishes that aren't within the bounds of human limits. In the HxH manga when Kurapica's master is explaining nen, it is said you can't create items like a sword that can cut through anything etc. This should apply to Allukas power as well.

I'm thinking Illumi asked for a huge wish, and the consequences for that wish still apply, but Illumi manipulated Alluka to lie to the family to say it was a PC. This could be why Illumi thinks Killua and gon will die (back in chapter 320). Because in the past he asked a super huge wish, and no one has answered the pesterings for it yet. If Killua attempts to answer them so he can ask his wish, he would die, and then gon would die since that's who Killua loves most. (assuming he refuses to fulfill the pestering.)
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Old 2011-10-27, 22:49   Link #1042
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Maybe I missed it but the level of wish/pestering does reset if the last person to be pestered failed?
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Old 2011-10-27, 23:22   Link #1043
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Anyone else thinks that Illumi is a retard in case he would actually reveal Alluka's ability to Hisoka? And there is high probability of that since he had to explain why Killua is in danger too and why he wants Alluka dead. It's strange to me he has so much faith in Hisoka and that he trusts him with this.
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(...) I'm thinking Illumi asked for a huge wish, and the consequences for that wish still apply, but Illumi manipulated Alluka to lie to the family to say it was a PC. (...)
Very interesting speculation TruthTaco.
Personally I find it unlikely that Silva would leave Alluka unmonitored and let his kids know the combination to the vault or go there without his supervision but it's possible. This part makes it very unlikely however:

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本人(ミルキ)と取り引きで確認したから嘘ではない
I confirmed that it was Milluki the transaction was going on with, so I'm sure it's not a lie.
It would depend on what his confirmation looked like but if he just asked Milluki I doubt he would say he was certain.
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Old 2011-10-27, 23:52   Link #1044
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Anyone else think Togashi was channeling Junji Ito on the page where the butler asks to be a billionaire?
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Old 2011-10-28, 00:07   Link #1045
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Something that got me thinking..

did Alluka not pester her parents because she knew the price would kill them?
Was it possible that that the butler that was supposed to receive the pestering of Alluka after the wish be connected to the one who made the wish? Illumi did mention 'lover.'

It's hard to tell though, because it can really work either way. One being that the ability's a bitch in that a complete stranger has to potentially shoulder their life for someone else's wish, or potentially that you can't escape the karma of your wish.
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Old 2011-10-28, 00:29   Link #1046
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I had the impression that it was his girlfriend who made the billionaire wish.

Illuki did imply that he would forgive them both if he passed this assignment.

I don't know, however, if it was his failing to fulfill the Alluka's pesterings that killed 87 people; of if it was another wish.
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Old 2011-10-28, 03:31   Link #1047
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What a creepy chapter! When Alluka's eyes and mouth turned black, s/he looked really disturbing.

I didn't get the impression that s/he was asking for those 'conditions' consciously though. It seemed like s/he was compelled to ask for something of similar magnitude because of the restrictions on her nen or something else. While I would stay as far away from her as I possilby could and can understand why s/he was locked up, I wonder if s/he's really a cruel 'monster'. I can sort of understand why Killua would disagree with his dad.

Next chapter will hopefully provide us with a better sense of what type of person Alluka really is ...
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Old 2011-10-28, 05:29   Link #1048
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Alluka! Finally a real loli girl in Hunter x Hunter universe.
I hope she's a young Yandere. Jigoku Shoujo meets Full Metal Alchemist.
But this could be resolved later. If this sequence would happen.
1. She steps out of that vault as the first price and never return again on the vault, since she needs to get out of there to meet Gon.
2. Killua becomes her slave as the second price which he accepts.
3. Upon seeing Gon, as the final price to make Gon back to normal, Alluka asks for Gon to be her boyfriend, which Killua would have trouble to deal with.
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Old 2011-10-28, 07:38   Link #1049
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If the billionare wish cost that many people their lives and had these impossible conditions, I don't think the healing of Gon is going to be much better. Probably a whole lot worse since Gon's condition is the side effect of a huge power boost.

Also wasn't Milluki the one who made the pc wish and only that wish needs it's conditions fulfilled? Or is there something else going on and Illumi was actually the one who made a wish and wants to stop his sister before he's either found out or before Killua get's the brunt of his wish side effects.
Sounds interesting either way.

Still a really weird and vague ability
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Old 2011-10-28, 07:41   Link #1050
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The wish that Killua asks for doesn't necessarily need to be a full cure. It could just be asking how to cure it, which would presumably be cheaper.
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Old 2011-10-28, 07:45   Link #1051
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Was it possible that that the butler that was supposed to receive the pestering of Alluka after the wish be connected to the one who made the wish? Illumi did mention 'lover.'
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I had the impression that it was his girlfriend who made the billionaire wish.

Illuki did imply that he would forgive them both if he passed this assignment.

I don't know, however, if it was his failing to fulfill the Alluka's pesterings that killed 87 people; of if it was another wish.
I think it's all connected to the billionaire wish. I think the servant that received the impossible pestering was the lover of the one who made the wish. And after that, because they were not granted, 67 people died, including the servant and the guy who made the wish.
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Old 2011-10-28, 07:48   Link #1052
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Alluka! Finally a real loli girl in Hunter x Hunter universe.
I hope she's a young Yandere. Jigoku Shoujo meets Full Metal Alchemist.
But this could be resolved later. If this sequence would happen.
1. She steps out of that vault as the first price and never return again on the vault, since she needs to get out of there to meet Gon.
2. Killua becomes her slave as the second price which he accepts.
3. Upon seeing Gon, as the final price to make Gon back to normal, Alluka asks for Gon to be her boyfriend, which Killua would have trouble to deal with.
Having Gon fall in love with a girl is like trying to make Luffy do the same (pre-Dragonball Z Goku also works for the example).

In other words, that equals at least two miracle worthy wishes.
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Old 2011-10-28, 07:52   Link #1053
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He can be her boyfriend without falling in love. The problem with that scenario is that it resembles Palm too much.
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Old 2011-10-28, 08:03   Link #1054
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Now that we know Alluka is a girl, does it confirm that the one Kalluto is trying to get back is Killua or Illumi and not Alluka as a lot of us thought? He said he wanted get his brother back in the scanlation, but I don't know what he said in Japanese. He could have just used "sibling".
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Old 2011-10-28, 08:26   Link #1055
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Ridiculously hax ability considering the cost of the wish gets passed on the next person. If the first wish had been to make them godlike it would have essentially been free. Not that they would have known though...

Edit: Thinking about it, if Alluka's pesterings get passed on to the next person, this would mean that they would get more difficult? We've already had Alluka requesting a poor butlers brain, wouldn't Killua's one be much more brutal? Though we've already had Milluki make a wish, so maybe not.
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Old 2011-10-28, 08:51   Link #1056
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He can be her boyfriend without falling in love. The problem with that scenario is that it resembles Palm too much.
Sorry, I misinterpreted that as Gon has to fall in love, which to me seems like an impossible thing.
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Old 2011-10-28, 08:57   Link #1057
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Having Gon fall in love with a girl is like trying to make Luffy do the same (pre-Dragonball Z Goku also works for the example).

In other words, that equals at least two miracle worthy wishes.
Don't compare awesome Gon with loser Luffy. It's been stated that Gon has been on dates even before Palm and we've seen him on a date with Palm. He's still a 12-13 year old boy though so it's a given he won't give all his time to a girlfriend (which currently he doesn't have). Anyway, him falling in love early is very likely.

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If the first wish had been to make them godlike it would have essentially been free. Not that they would have known though...
Her ability does have limits. When that guy/girl asked to become a billionaire Alluka did not print money or conjure it from the air, someone had to lose it. If anything maybe it would be possible that Meruem would lose his powers on the cost of someone but the cost of that would be so high that whole city could have been destroyed.
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Old 2011-10-28, 11:34   Link #1058
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Who be talkin' crap 'bout mah boy Luffy? He may not have a girlfriend, but he's still a pimp (y'know, what with being the guy who befriended an entire island of hot amazon chicks and all). Actually, Gon's a pimp too for that matter, since he even told Killua that he dated a bunch of girls when he grew up on that island, so they're both even, in my book.



And back on the subject of Alluka: I dunno about anyone else, but I think it would be freaking hilarious if Togashi trolled us by having Killua fulfill 3 really difficult "pesterings" for his sister, only to have someone else butt in at the last second to make some really dumb, insignificant wish. It would be kinda like that gag in that one Simpsons episode where Homer interrupts Apu when he's about to ask the Kwik-E Mart head for his job back after all the trouble they went through to meet the guy in the first place.
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Old 2011-10-28, 12:14   Link #1059
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Who be talkin' crap 'bout mah boy Luffy? He may not have a girlfriend, but he's still a pimp (y'know, what with being the guy who befriended an entire island of hot amazon chicks and all). Actually, Gon's a pimp too for that matter, since he even told Killua that he dated a bunch of girls when he grew up on that island, so they're both even, in my book.



And back on the subject of Alluka: I dunno about anyone else, but I think it would be freaking hilarious if Togashi trolled us by having Killua fulfill 3 really difficult "pesterings" for his sister, only to have someone else butt in at the last second to make some really dumb, insignificant wish. It would be kinda like that gag in that one Simpsons episode where Homer interrupts Apu when he's about to ask the Kwik-E Mart head for his job back after all the trouble they went through to meet the guy in the first place.
The most hilarious wish is from the pig in Dragon Ball wishing for a pantsu just to counter Pilaf's wish. Again Gon wouldn't mind being a boyfriend to his friend's sister if that would save them all the trouble and make sense for his recovery. At least it's Kalluto, Killua's big brother is searching for. I wouldn't be even surprised if he wish to be a member of Phantom Troupe, what did he paid to exact this wish?
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Old 2011-10-28, 12:22   Link #1060
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Ridiculously hax ability considering the cost of the wish gets passed on the next person. If the first wish had been to make them godlike it would have essentially been free. Not that they would have known though...

There is no known limit on what she can do, but that doesn't mean there is truly no limit. It hasn't been tested so there is no way anyone could know.

Having said that, if you wished to be godlike and it works, you better make sure nobody comes into contact with Alluka again, because if they do she will give them impossible tasks and when they fail an enormous number of people will die, which probably includes you.

The easiest way to prevent that would be to kill her after making your extreme wish, but it is unknown what happens to the wishes if she dies.
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