Kyoukai Senjou no Horizon - Light Novel Discussion

[black_cat1]

Found chinese ver of vol 1 and...er...try to read it (using special trans soft). So many names and all of them were transcribed to chinese so it hard for reading.

I remember that someone posted a web with character's profile so if anyone has it, pls repost it.

[Cosmic Eagle]

Originally Posted by stuopidget

Lol.

Anyone feel like Tres Espania got nerfed to hell in the anime? I mean there was no way Muneshige would've able to beat Tadakatsu just cause of the experience gap, but Tadakatsu coming out unscathed was ... the God of Wars shouldn't be trashed by Kazuno like that either. Also, I can't believe they dumped this line out.

Spoiler for Single line:

Who says that? Matsudaira?

Speaking of Tres Espania....is Muneshige's Loizmoi based on the same principle as the Tombo spear?

Spoiler for 5:

Apocalypse for these people is real as any. You can make fun of it all you want, but Motonobu already said IN the episode that what he is doing might screw Musashi over, and Muneshige said that the announcement would cause a large scale free for all deathmatch to get all the weapons; yet, Motonobu still went through with the plan to (possibly) prevent the apocalypse from happening.

The reason why people call rescue arcs BS because they usually further the plot very minimally. I respected your opinion in the beginning and even supported it, but calling this a BS rescue arc make me doubt whether you really are watching the same series as me. There's a reason why Masazumi kicked Toori in the end other than saving his ass from KPA Italia, hell she even said it herself. Besides, the rescue isn't even Motonobu's final goal.

You have all the clues to figure out what Motonobu's intentions are and where the story is going at this point despite it not being stated as clearly in the book. This is what I mean by playing the cliches usually give the best stories, because without looking further you only look at the obvious and miss the story.

Can't ask in that thread but yeah it is damned obvious the Apocalypse is real.....but what is the mechanism? What is going to end them? And how is the hunt for the weapons supposed to prevent it? Is it the weapons or Horizon that is key?

[Kunagisa]

Originally Posted by Cosmic Eagle

Who says that? Matsudaira?

Speaking of Tres Espania....is Muneshige's Loizmoi based on the same principle as the Tombo spear?



Can't ask in that thread but yeah it is damned obvious the Apocalypse is real.....but what is the mechanism? What is going to end them? And how is the hunt for the weapons supposed to prevent it? Is it the weapons or Horizon that is key?

Yes to the first question (might go in detail more about the weapons if the new thread I requested gets approved).

Let's use the new thread for the second questions haha (might as well!).

[Allen]

Originally Posted by animeruri

Well with the series' total number of pages that couldn't be helped. But it's one thing to look forward to for rereading, I guess. I find the humor still funny even after reading them for the second or third time. It's in pages 62-63 of 1B if you're curious.

I really like Nate (or Neit) though, as much as I liked Brunhilde in Owari no Chronicle (come to think of it, I think they're kinda similar in character). Now, that makes me want to read Book 3 soon, but there are 2054 pages of obstacle standing in my way. >.<

Jud., tsunderes are the best. There are some nice scenes with Nate in the second volume, so the next 2054 pages aren't an obstacle anymore!

Originally Posted by stuopidget

Lol.

Anyone feel like Tres Espania got nerfed to hell in the anime? I mean there was no way Muneshige would've able to beat Tadakatsu just cause of the experience gap, but Tadakatsu coming out unscathed was ... the God of Wars shouldn't be trashed by Kazuno like that either. Also, I can't believe they dumped this line out.

Spoiler for Single line:

I guess I was looking forward to that line too much cause of OnC <__<. Also, the group singing also got axed too ... Anime's not bad by any means, but so much stuffffff gets axed.

Yeah, Dacchan looked more powerful and Muneshige looked way more weaker than he actually is... Because of that a certain joke in the novel just gets more real as time passes

Besides these cuts, one thing that really bugged me was the Miriam/Azuma's scenes. Miriam's route looks so much easier now...

Originally Posted by black_cat1

Found chinese ver of vol 1 and...er...try to read it (using special trans soft). So many names and all of them were transcribed to chinese so it hard for reading.

I remember that someone posted a web with character's profile so if anyone has it, pls repost it.

This?

[black_cat1]

Ah yes, it is

And one more question, Gin Tachibana is a human or android? Why her arms is machine arms?

[Zeroblade]

Originally Posted by black_cat1

Ah yes, it is

And one more question, Gin Tachibana is a human or android? Why her arms is machine arms?

Her arms are prosthetic, like Naomasa's right arm.

Also, I did a bit of looking up re: Logismoi oplo -

The "Logismoi" probably comes from Evagrius's book (titled as such) which contains the eight evil thoughts, while "oplo" is Greek for "weapon."

So I guess that's where the name comes from!

[ykf566]

Originally Posted by Allen

Yeah, Dacchan looked more powerful and Muneshige looked way more weaker than he actually is... Because of that a certain joke in the novel just gets more real as time passes

Besides these cuts, one thing that really bugged me was the Miriam/Azuma's scenes. Miriam's route looks so much easier now...

Could you elaborate on these two points and what the joke is? Those two are characters i'm probably most interested in.

Also, could you talk about

Spoiler for :

Does Gin and Muneshige have crowning moments of awesome?

It must suck for the both of them as they both lose to Futayo, especially Muneshige who also loses to Tadakatsu as well as losing Lype Kataslypsi?.
Probably all the more worse as both of them are meant to be amongst the strongest?

[technomo12]

ok i for one is kinda at a loss

i read somewhere the Aoi confessing to horizon or p01 caused a a war and not the war for the armors of deadly sin

and also the rescue episode i wonder hwo long will it take? and will Plum class be able to show off more if there is a rescue for horizon and WILL HE EVER CONFESS about his love for horizon

so pls if ever so kindly SPOIL ME >_<

[Allen]

Originally Posted by ykf566

Could you elaborate on these two points and what the joke is? Those two are characters i'm probably most interested in.

Also, could you talk about

Spoiler for :

Does Gin and Muneshige have crowning moments of awesome?

It must suck for the both of them as they both lose to Futayo, especially Muneshige who also loses to Tadakatsu as well as losing Lype Kataslypsi?.
Probably all the more worse as both of them are meant to be amongst the strongest?

Spoiler for answers:

In the novel Tadakatsu gets hurt because of Muneshige's attacks. And it wasn't just scratches, you know. Gin is normally badass when she is serious mode, but she just doesn't like to fight seriously because she prefers that her husband gets these moments. Because of that there weren't much scenes involving them being awesome (maybe when Gin defeated Francis Drake in Vol2). Well, in 4A Muneshige got the old weapon of Sakai, so this means that very soon he'll get to fight seriously against someone

About the joke: the Lype Kataslypsi is now used by Horizon, but in a lot of important moments its attacks were blocked/canceled. Because of that they say that the Lype Kataslypsi is useless -> The one who was using it, it's useless too.

When Miriam and Azuma talked for the first time, she was testing him to see if he was really someone very serious. She was like giving him "points" about every action of him in the first time they met. And it was possible to see how difficult was supposed to be her route when:
Azuma - "Let's get well being strangers."
Miriam - "If you had said, Let's start as strangers, then "what is the end? Go away" is what I would be saying now."

Originally Posted by technomo12

ok i for one is kinda at a loss

i read somewhere the Aoi confessing to horizon or p01 caused a a war and not the war for the armors of deadly sin

and also the rescue episode i wonder hwo long will it take? and will Plum class be able to show off more if there is a rescue for horizon and WILL HE EVER CONFESS about his love for horizon

so pls if ever so kindly SPOIL ME >_<

Spoiler for Confession:

He is going to confess in the end of this season. This also means that the rescue arc will cover the other 8 episodes, but there are reasons for that. When he confessed to Horizon, he also declared war against the world, saying that he wanted the Deadly Sins Armament to him (to recover Horizon's feelings).

And I don't know how, but I did it. The summary for the third volume is below and I think that is good to know that this summary is way longer than the other ones that I did until now

Spoiler for V3 Summary:

Spoiler for Characters:

Spoiler for Musashi new members/IZUMO:

Musashi:

Mary Stuart = Tenzou’s fiancée.
Tachibana Muneshige = Gin’s husband.
Tachibana Gin = Muneshige’s wife. Fifty times.
Mishina Hiro = Naomasa’s kouhai. Loves mechas.

IZUMO:

Izumo Yuu = Chief of the Izumo family.
Mitsu = Toori and Kimi’s grandmother.

Spoiler for England V3 Characters:

Thomas Shakespeare = Neshimbara’s yandere stalker.
Ben Jonson = Secretary of the Student Council.
F.Walsingham = Leader of the disciplinary committee. An automated doll.

Spoiler for K.P.A. Italia V3 Characters:

Innocentius = Chancellor. Pope President. One of the Eight Great Dragon Kings.
Tachibana Dousetsu = Vice-Chancellor.
Murakami Motoyoshi = First Member of the Special Duty.
Galileo = Second Member of the Special Duty.

Spoiler for P.A.ODA/M.H.R.R. V3 Characters:

Shibata Katsuie = Vice-Chancellor of P.A.ODA and M.H.R.R. One of the “Gotaichou”/”Roku Tenma Gun” ~ Strongest members of P.A.ODA.
Maeda Toshiie = Treasurer of the Student Council of P.A.ODA and M.H.R.R. One of the “Gotaichou”/”Roku Tenma Gun”.
Matsu = Treasurer’s assistant of the Student Council of P.A.ODA and M.H.R.R.
Sassa Narimasa = One of the “Gotaichou”/”Roku Tenma Gun”.
Hashiba Toukichirou Hideyoshi = One of the “Gotaichou”/”Roku Tenma Gun” and the Vice-president of the Student Council of M.H.R.R.

Rudolf II = Chancellor of M.H.R.R.
Mathias = President of the Student Council of M.H.R.R.
Tomoe Gozen = Secretary of the Student Council of M.H.R.R.
Guericke = Mayor of Magdeburg.

Matsunaga Danjou Hisahide = Nobunaga’s senpai. Chancellor of the Murasai Faction at the Kii Peninsula.
Kuki Yoshitaka = Member of the defense committee and the representative of the marine battle.
Takigawa Kazumasu = Ninja that is the commander of a certain battleship that I don’t remember the name.
Suzuki Magoichi = Member of the defense committee.
Suleiman = Great Chancellor of the former Ottoman Empire.

Spoiler for Hexagone Française V3 Characters:

Louis Exiv = Chancellor. Terumoto’s husband.
Turenne = Vice-Chancellor.
Henri of the Three Musketeers = First Member of the Special Duty.
Armand of the Three Musketeers = Second Member of the Special Duty.
Isaac of the Three Musketeers = Third Member of the Special Duty.
Mouri 01 (Mori Motokiyo) = Fourth Member of the Special Duty and the Secretary of the Student Council.
Mouri 02 (Mori Motoharu) = Fifth member of the Special Duty.
Mouri 03 (Kobayakawa Takakage) = Sixth Member of the Special Duty.

Mori Terumoto = President of the Student Council. Exiv’s wife.
Ryuinu = Vice-president and the treasurer of the Student Council.

Anne d’Autriche = Exiv’s younger sister.

Spoiler for Shin Takeda V3 Characters:

Minamoto Kurou Yoshitsune = Chancellor and the President of the Student Council.
Benkei = Vice-chancellor.
Satou Brothers = Vice-president (s) of the Student Council.

Spoiler for Others:

Satomi Academy:

(Second) Satomi Yoshiyori = Chancellor.
Satomi Yoshiyasu = President of the Student Council.

Sanada Ten Braves:

Sarutobi Sasuke = First “Not Needed”.
Kirigakure Saito = Second “Not Needed”.
Miyoshi Seikai = Third “Not Needed”.
Isa Nyudou = Fourth “Not Needed”.
Anayama Kosuke = Fifth “Not Needed”.
Unno Rokurou = Seventh “Not Needed”.
Kakei Juzou = Tenth “Not Needed”.

Índia Faction:

Hojo Ushinao = Chancellor.

Spoiler for Characters and their original counterparts Vol03:

Character: Original

K.P.A.Italia:

Tachibana Dosetsu: Tachibana Dosetsu
Murakami Motoyoshi: Murakami Motoyoshi *jp wiki

P.A.ODA:

Oda Nobunaga: Oda Nobunaga
Shibata Katsuie: Shibata Katsuie
Sassa Narimasa: Sassa Narimasa
Hashiba Toukichirou Hideyoshi: Toyotomi Hideyoshi and Melchior Klesl

Matsunaga Hisahide: Matsunaga Hisahide
Kuki Yoshitaka: Kuki Yoshitaka
Takigawa Kazumasu: Takigawa Kazumasu
Suzuki Magoichi: Suzuki Magoichi
Suleiman: Suleiman I

Hexagone Française:

Louis Exiv: Louis XIV
Mori Terumoto: Mori Terumoto
Turenne: Henri de la Tour d'Auvergne, Vicomte de Turenne
Henri of the Three Musketeers: Henri d'Aramitz
Armand of the Three Musketeers: Armand d'Athos
Isaac of the Three Musketeers: Isaac de Porthau
Mouri01: Mori Motokiyo
Mouri02: Mori Motoharu *jp wiki
Mouri03: Kobayakawa Takakage

Ryuinu: Jules Mazarin
Anne d'Autriche: Anne of Austria

Shin Takeda:

Minamoto Yoshitsune: Takeda Shingen and Nurhachi
Benkei: Saitō no Musashibō Benkei
Satou Brothers: Satou Tadanobu and Satou Tsugunobu

Sanada Ten Braves:

Sarutobi Sasuke: Sarutobi Sasuke
Kirigakure Saizo: Kirigakure Saizo
Miyoshi Seikai: Miyoshi Masayasu *jp wiki
Isa Nyudou: Miyoshi Masakatsu *jp wiki
Anayama Kosuke: Anayama Kosuke *jp wiki
Unno Rokurou: Unno Rokurou *jp wiki
Kakei Juzou: Kakei Juzou *jp wiki

M.H.R.R.:

Rudolf II: Rudolf II
Matthias: Matthias of Austria
Tomoe Gozen: Tomoe Gozen
Guericke: Otto von Guericke

Others:

Satomi Yoshiyasu: Satomi Yoshiyasu *jp wiki
Satomi Yoshiyori: Satomi Yoshiyori *jp wiki
Hojo Ujinao: Hojo Ujinao

Spoiler for Factions Knowledge:

Very simple version:

*IZUMO = Neutral Region.
*M.H.R.R. Catholics and P.A.ODA are together.
*Hexagone Française and M.H.R.R. Protestants are together.
*The Hojo and the Satomi Clan (Kantou Forces) are future Matsudaira’s allies (Musashi).
*Sanada Ten Braves starts as Matsudaira’s allies, but “betray” them later going to the P.A.ODA.
*P.A.ODA are enemies of K.P.A.Italia.
*P.A.ODA are enemies of the Kantou Forces.

Spoiler for History Knowledge:

This volume finally starts mixing the events in the Sengoku Period together with the events in the Europe. Main events:

Second? Battle of Shigizuka Kawaguchi; *jp wiki
Sack of Madgeburg;
Battle of Mikatagahara;
Battle of Nagashino;
Start of the Bunroku Keicho no Eki ~ First Invasions (more details later?);

Okay, in this volume these events had a lot of importance. In few words:

Second Battle of Shigizuka Kawaguchi: K.P.A.Italia X P.A.ODA;
Sack of Madgeburg: P.A.ODA/M.H.R.R. Catholics X M.H.R.R. Protestants/Musashi/Hexagone Française;
Battle of Mikatagahara/Start of the Bunroku Keicho no Eki: Shin Takeda/P.A.ODA X Musashi (details later);
Battle of Nagashino: P.A.ODA X Shin Takeda;

In the summary itself I’ll try to explain better these events.

Spoiler for V3A-1:

*During the story this time there were some talks between Ryuinu and Anne. About how Anne was feeling that she was going to die soon. <- Very important

Musashi is in IZUMO getting repairs from the Armada War. New daily-life of the Musashi Students. Now that Muneshige/Gin/Mary are there too we get to see new interactions, Nate (Neito)’s flags for getting faster, Toori’s eroges being discovered (Student council’s room, Nate’s house, etc…), Horizon wanting to know about her mother by talking with Mitsu, Suzu helping “Musashi”, etc…

At IZUMO, Masazumi was getting infos with Ben and Walsingham. Futayo and Neshimbara are attacked by four of the Sanada Braves. The fight is stopped when Ushinao, Yoshiyasu and Yoshitsune appeared. Then, it’s decided that these leaders are going to meet at an english’s restaurant (something like that) to talk.

Obs.: From this start we have the presence of Neshimbara’s stalker in the chat

Negotiation 1:

*The Satomi and the Hojo Clan are going to be, according to the history, under Matsudaira (Musashi).

Hojo Ushinao and Satomi Yoshiyori decided only to trust Musashi if they show enough power (war, politics, as a country in general). They were going to confirm this in the battle against Hexagone Française that would happen the next day. Their main objective was to see if Musashi could go to different battles without any brakes (like there was until now).

*Musashi’s future plans (by Masazumi): After leaving IZUMO (Hexagone Française wasn’t going to accept that Musashi stayed for more time in IZUMO~Testamet Union’s influence), they were going to go recreate the Battle of Mikatagahara, go to Mikawa/Kantou region.
*Battle of Mikatagahara: A battle which Matsudaira was going to lose badly to the Takeda (Shingen Takeda’s forces) and Naruse Masayoshi (Marga Naruze) was supposed to die. After this battle the Takeda Clan would start losing its power.

Yoshitsune who was at the same time Shingen Takeda and Nurhaci didn’t care about Musashi. But she proposed that if they could make her feel something that she would think of a way in which Musashi wasn’t going to be in a position so bad. This was the condition because to Yoshitsune who already lived for too much time (first character to appear in the anime), there wasn’t any meaning in the lives of people who would die after living just a few years.
Who was the only who could do that in Musashi? Just the idiot naked Toori, We have the “chonmage” scene and after as awesome talk between him and Yoshitsune, she decided to help them.

*In the way to Mikawa, they were going to pass into the region of Mitsuhide Akechi (member of P.A.ODA~enemies of Musashi). To pass there without any trouble, it was proposed to use Azuma’s position as the son of the “Mikado”. In the end, it was decided that Yoshitsune was going to help if needed and that they wouldn’t be using Azuma.

Then, Matsunaga appeared. He appeared without any bodyguards in the middle of four Chancellor enemies just to say that he wanted to know about the ones he was going to “destroy” later. Later Masazumi confirmed that they are going to fight in the future and that the main objective this time would be going to the Kantou region while having to fight against an enemy of Matsunaga’s scale. -> Not exactly this, but…

Btw, Toori already knew Matsunaga because he always bought the eroge he created. lol

Spoiler for V3A-2:

We get to know about Noriki’s true identity and that in the future we are going to have some event between him and Ushinao. Preparations to the battle against Hexagone Française. Here we have Yoshiyori wanting to talk with Toori about something important. This didn’t happen and…

Battle against Hexagone Française:

*Main objective (Musashi): Prevent Hexagone Française (HF) members from boarding Musashi for 15? minutes.
*First battle which have a lot of Gods of War (Those mechas);
*At first the three musketeers of HF started attacking Musashi;
*Main members of Musashi in the front line: Futayo, Adele (Shield), Tenzou and Mary;
*Four Sanada Members (now on the Shingen Takeda’s side) are helping Musashi;
*We get to see the power of the Gods of War of the Satomi Clan (Yoshiyori and Yoshiyasu) and some abilities of Ushinao;
*The situation was good to Musashi until Louis Exiv and Mori Terumoto appeared on the battlefield. Toori appeared too. Then:

- HF is going to be the “leader” of the countries in the Europe side in the future;
- Mori’s clan is going to battle against Matsudaira in the future and lose badly (Terumoto should die?);
- Louis Exiv answered Toori’s declaration of war (first volume) by saying that they, HF, was going to conquer the world. -> They would defeat Musashi, gets their names, so Terumoto wouldn’t have to die;
- Louis Exiv proposed Musashi to give up now;
- Musashi’s answer was no;
- Sassa Narimasa appeared;
- Toori trolled him -> Restart of the battle;

*Sassa’s objective is to kill Toori -> Adele goes protect him;
*Louis Exiv and Terumoto use their Logismoi Oplo -> You could say that they are invincible while they feel vanity and pride;
*One of the effects is that to the people of Musashi move, they would have to say/think about every action they were going to do;
*Retreat of the Musashi students;
*Sassa destroys Adele’s shield;
*Because of Toori’s ability most of the students got enough ether to move and go back to Musashi -> Toori got behind and:

- Futayo started fighting against Sassa;
- Ulquiaga rescued Adele;
- Nate went to save Toori;
- Toori appeared captured by Turenne, who is in fact Nate’s mother.

Spoiler for V3B-1:

*Nate was defeated badly by her mom;
*Even Futayo or Sassa couldn’t do anything against her;
*She destroyed part of the structure they were in and got away with Toori to eat him later -> She is the Queen of the “Ruugaruu” (mix between human and wolf). They love meat, including human meat too;

A rescue team was formed: Tenzou, Mary, Margot and Nate. In the middle of this confusion Ryuinu boarded into Musashi and said that she wanted to negotiate with Musashi if the rescue team could defeat a force of automated dolls. But before this, Masazumi, Shirojiro, Marga, Asama and Horizon went to negotiate with Guericke (to Musashi stay at Madgeburg + other things).

Negotation 2:

*Guericke was creating certain spheres (something like Madgeburg hemispheres Horizon version?) that could help in something against the Apocalypse;
*He is a fan of Marga’s doujins -> Eh?
*He is a fan of the doujins who focus on Asama -> Understandable. Eh!?
*Horizon started getting some experience in this kind of discussions;
*In the end, what was going to decide the “winner” of this negotiation was a DOGEZA battle between the two merchants: Shirojiro X Guericke -> Shirojiro won in an epic??? battle;
*Asama and Masazumi -> Flag 2 + More material to the next Asama’s doujin by Marga;
*Musashi was allowed to stay at Madgeburg and maybe was going to help at the Sack of Madgeburg later -> really don’t remember the details of this. If there is anything wrong please do a tsukkomi :P

Rescue Team X Mouri Sisters:

*Nate was still weak, so the rescue team had only three members who could fight against about 20 automated dolls;
*Tenzou’s plans were the main advantage from the rescue team;
*In the end Nate defeated the last? Automated doll and got some tips about getting faster;
*Later we discover how Marga and Margot started getting well between them.

Toori side:

*Toori was being seduced by Nate Maman to get eaten later;
*He “defeated” her;
*He said that he was still a kid and wasn’t worthwhile to be her opponent;
*He got some tips about being a King;
*He gets to know about how she met her husband… -> 18+

Spoiler for V3B-2:

Back to Musashi:

*We get infos that Persona-kun may be an important person of the Mori clan. Maybe;
*Hexagone Française, M.H.R.R. Protestants and Musashi turned into allies;
*Rescue Team regroups with Toori and Nate Maman -> Mission: Go to the tower where is Rudolf II (near Madgeburg) and get a certain document about the Apocalypse made by Carlos I;
*Musashi is attacked by P.A.ODA:

- Shibata Katsuie, Sassa with the help of Takigawa -> Destroy a place in Musashi;
- Marga was trying to prevent an attack from Takigawa’s ship;
- Muneshige, Gin, some members of the Sanada clan, Adele (against Sassa), Futayo were fighting against the other two -> Shibata destroyed a part of Tombokiri?
- Musashi members prevented the worst and they left;
- Gozen-sama appeared -> Marry me!

Anne finally appears, we get more info about the Sack of Madgeburg, Yoshiyasu’s future developments hints, the team in HF starts getting prepared to go to Rudolf II’s place.

Second Battle of Shigizuka Kawaguchi:

*P.A.ODA X K.P.A.Italia;
*Kuki Yoshitaka and Suzuki Magoichi were the main members of the P.A.ODA side;
*Murakami Motoyoshi and Tachibana Dousetsu were the main members of the K.P.A.Italia side;
*P.A.ODA attacking K.P.A.Italia;
*K.P.A.Italia had the advantage in the end, but P.A.ODA used something that was never seen before: A bomb that has the same effects (but in a smaller scale) of a Platonic Plate Reactor going out of control (episode 5 of the anime shows this very well). Btw, the name of this bomb is something like: “Dragon Plate Reactor/Dragon Pulse Reactor”.

Spoiler for V3C-1:

Consequences of the Second Battle of Shigizuka Kawaguchi: The tsundere for Musashi Pope President, Innocentius, disappeared. -> The leader of the Testament Union isn’t here anymore! -> Then, because we (P.A.ODA) won this battle, we are going to take control of the Testament Union, okay?

Negotiation 3:

Participants: Masazumi (Musashi/Matsudaira), Anne/Ryuinu (HF), Gozen-sama and Guericke (M.H.R.R. Protestants), Matsunaga/Suleiman (P.A.ODA).

*Anne was a little “harsh” against Masazumi;
*Guericke was always ignored by Gozen-sama -> Change with me Guericke!
*Matsunaga was there, but being more an ally of Musashi than of P.A.ODA. Same for Suleiman, I think;
*In the end the main topic was if Musashi was going to join them in an anti-P.A.ODA faction. They know that Musashi still haven’t enough power as a country and wanted to know how they were going to react in relation to that.
*Masazumi’s answer was something like that: “Musashi is going to the Kantou region to get stronger, while this is happening you can test us. When we got back we’ll be a real country.”

Team in HF:

*After some events, they finally arrive at the tower where Rudolf II is;
*Because of some conditions, only Nate gets to meet him;
*Epic battle between them;
*Nate finally discovers how to get faster and faster;
*Nate wins in the end and discovers that Rudolf II is a woman? Maybe yes, maybe not;
*The team completes its mission getting the Carlos I notes and starts going to Madgeburg.

Preparation of the Sack of Madgeburg. Before this battle and the other ones after that, let me put here in a simple way Musashi’s objectives from now on:

1. Help in the recreation of the Sack of Madgeburg. (against P.A.ODA)
- Regroup with Toori’s team.
2. Leave Madgeburg and go against Matsunaga.
3. Recreation of the Battle of Mikatagahara together with Yoshitsune.
4. Go to the Kantou region.

Spoiler for V3C-2:

Sack of Madgeburg: (Don’t remember lots of details)

*P.A.ODA/M.H.R.R. Catholics X M.H.R.R. Protestants/HF/Musashi;
*P.A.ODA starts the attack. Main members in the front lines: Sassa and Shibata;
*Sassa X Marga ~ Later we have Sassa X Marga/Margot;
*Nate Maman says that she’ll send Nate later, so the rest of the team goes on first. But her objective was to test her daughter once more. Nate with the help of the Ex. Collbrande gets to pass in this test. -> Here we discover why she is loyal to Toori too;
*Shibata goes against a lot of enemies (Gozen-sama, Muneshige, Gin, Futayo);
*Maeda uses his zombie’s army;
*HF counters that;
*Tenzou, Mary and Toori regroup with Naomasa;
*Shibata gets to destroy the core? of Tombokiri;
*He is only “defeated” after a lot of effort and a surprise attack by Nate Maman -> パネエ;
*P.A.ODA starts retreating?, only to some time later use a “Dragon Pulse Reactor”;
*Anne together with the help of Ryuinu prevented the worst (HF/Musashi’s members death) in a very good, yet sad scene -> ;_______;

- Remember the price Toori had to pay for that ability in the first volume? Jud., if he feels sad, he’ll die. -> Asama “lied” to prevent Toori from dying...
- Musashi leaves, but Maeda and Takigawa’s ships try to prevent them from going;
- Suzu gets to be known as a moe character in the tripulation of Takigawa’s ship;
- Maeda’s ships are “ghost ships”. Asama destroys two of them (just not do anymore because there isn’t more fluid/ether) -> Critical Miko;
- Hassan destroys one of these ships using curry -> lol;

Obs.: Matsunaga is like a senpai “destroyer” of Nobunaga. According to the history, he dies after betraying Nobunaga for the second time. He had already done that once.

Against? Matsunaga:

*In the end he let Musashi pass and starts a battle against Maeda’s ships;
*He was already with the intention of dying (betrayed Nobunaga for the second time);
*Nobunaga sends a message to him saying that he would be forgiven one more time;
*Before dying he says that he’ll win the bet of knowing who is going to change the world from now on: An idiot who only thinks of destroying (Nobunaga) or an idiot who only thinks of constructing (Toori);
*Only few people get to know about this (at first) and they don’t tell anything to Toori.

Spoiler for V3C-3:

Note: The Battle of Nagashino is the Battle where Shingen Takeda dies. Here in Horizon it's not necessary for that to happen, but in some cases...

Battle of Mikatagahara:

*Maeda starts negotiating with Yoshitsune, saying that they would help them in this battle (don’t forget that P.A.ODA has the Testament Union under their control now);
*Masazumi enters this discussion to try to prevent this from happening;
*Maeda uses the argument that Musashi has intention of harm against P.A.ODA (Musashi wasn’t supposed to participate in the Sack of Madgeburg);
*Masazumi discovers that this was a trap (it was impossible to get out of this situation with a positive result) and tries to get all the responsibility about this mistake to herself (her future career of Politian would be in a very, very bad position);
*Toori appears and makes the situation gets a little better? by saying that this was a fake Masazumi;
*Maeda falls in the first little trap made by Masazumi -> He entered Yoshitsune’s territory without her consent;
*Maeda uses the power of the Testament Union and says that he’ll start attacking Musashi (for disobeying their orders, being a threat) and Yoshitsune’s forces.
*Yoshitsune accepts that and even say that they can recreate the Battle of Nagashino too;
*In the end she gives more hints about the Apocalypse (like an Academy that nobody knows);
*Sanada ninjas betray Musashi and go away -> flag of a lot of future battles;
*Musashi gets covered be her forces;
*P.A.ODA uses that once more. Nobody thought that they would have one more “Dragon Pulse Reactor”. What happens? Yoshitsune dies... -> Not confirmed, but… FFFU(ry
*Nobody tells Toori about this;

*Hashiba Toukichirou Hideyoshi (a girl?) appears with a ship of the same class as Musashi, called Azuchi. In the ship there was she and more ten people, the “Ten spears”.
*She says that she’ll help in the recreation of the Battle of Mikatagahara and already starts the “Bunroku no Eki”. She can do that because the Testament Union is under their control and because Satomi’s most important members are in Musashi;
*That’s why she says that the person who has the name of Naruse Masayoshi must die;
*Marga decides to go together with Margot, but Yoshiyori declares himself as the Naruse Masayoshi and goes;
*Yoshiyasu discovers the truth about her sister’s death and what he was trying to do all along (remember before the Battle against HF? This was his objective all along);
*First time that we see a desperate Toori -> trying to stop him;
*He says a very important thing to Toori before going (Rough translation):

“Let me say. You have to laugh at the future battles that are to come!
From now on, no matter what losses there are, no matter if it’s something to cry, just you have to laugh.
You have to laugh at the ones like me, even if all the others around you are crying, if you can still fight, then you have to laugh!
No matter what happens from now on, you have to laugh….!
Save people like me and her!”

*He goes;
*He dies;
*Everybody gets worried with Toori, but he says that he can’t cry anymore because of what Yoshiyori said -> ;________;
*Hashiba confirms his death and the Battle is finally over. A complete defeat to Musashi.

Consequences and conclusions:

*Musashi finally arrives around Mikawa’s region and gets the help from the people from “Ariake”/Kantou IZUMO;
*Suzu who was in the command room all the time rushed to the place everyone was. She trusted them, but was worried that they could have lost the power to fight, to hasten, to protect. But when she got there with the help of Toori and Horizon, she saw that this wasn’t the case. That everything was fine. And she thought, what would happen if they get the power to fight, to hasten, to protect? In the end, Marga was going to draw a picture of everyone, just like Matsudaira did when he lost in the Battle of Mikatagahara and reflected upon it. After she started drawing:

“Everyone is with a good face,”
Yes. That’s why
“Next time, those who are going to move the history are us.”

[technomo12]

Originally Posted by Allen

Spoiler for answers:

In the novel Tadakatsu gets hurt because of Muneshige's attacks. And it wasn't just scratches, you know. Gin is normally badass when she is serious mode, but she just doesn't like to fight seriously because she prefers that her husband gets these moments. Because of that there weren't much scenes involving them being awesome (maybe when Gin defeated Francis Drake in Vol2). Well, in 4A Muneshige got the old weapon of Sakai, so this means that very soon he'll get to fight seriously against someone

About the joke: the Lype Kataslypsi is now used by Horizon, but in a lot of important moments its attacks were blocked/canceled. Because of that they say that the Lype Kataslypsi is useless -> The one who was using it, it's useless too.

When Miriam and Azuma talked for the first time, she was testing him to see if he was really someone very serious. She was like giving him "points" about every action of him in the first time they met. And it was possible to see how difficult was supposed to be her route when:
Azuma - "Let's get well being strangers."
Miriam - "If you had said, Let's start as strangers, then "what is the end? Go away" is what I would be saying now."

Spoiler for Confession:

He is going to confess in the end of this season. This also means that the rescue arc will cover the other 8 episodes, but there are reasons for that. When he confessed to Horizon, he also declared war against the world, saying that he wanted the Deadly Sins Armament to him (to recover Horizon's feelings).

And I don't know how, but I did it. The summary for the third volume is below and I think that is good to know that this summary is way longer than the other ones that I did until now

Spoiler for V3 Summary:

Spoiler for Characters:

Spoiler for Musashi new members/IZUMO:

Musashi:

Mary Stuart = Tenzou’s fiancée.
Tachibana Muneshige = Gin’s husband.
Tachibana Gin = Muneshige’s wife. Fifty times.
Mishina Hiro = Naomasa’s kouhai. Loves mechas.

IZUMO:

Izumo Yuu = Chief of the Izumo family.
Mitsu = Toori and Kimi’s grandmother.

Spoiler for England V3 Characters:

Thomas Shakespeare = Neshimbara’s yandere stalker.
Ben Jonson = Secretary of the Student Council.
F.Walsingham = Leader of the disciplinary committee. An automated doll.

Spoiler for K.P.A. Italia V3 Characters:

Innocentius = Chancellor. Pope President. One of the Eight Great Dragon Kings.
Tachibana Dousetsu = Vice-Chancellor.
Murakami Motoyoshi = First Member of the Special Duty.
Galileo = Second Member of the Special Duty.

Spoiler for P.A.ODA/M.H.R.R. V3 Characters:

Shibata Katsuie = Vice-Chancellor of P.A.ODA and M.H.R.R. One of the “Gotaichou”/”Roku Tenma Gun” ~ Strongest members of P.A.ODA.
Maeda Toshiie = Treasurer of the Student Council of P.A.ODA and M.H.R.R. One of the “Gotaichou”/”Roku Tenma Gun”.
Matsu = Treasurer’s assistant of the Student Council of P.A.ODA and M.H.R.R.
Sassa Narimasa = One of the “Gotaichou”/”Roku Tenma Gun”.
Hashiba Toukichirou Hideyoshi = One of the “Gotaichou”/”Roku Tenma Gun” and the Vice-president of the Student Council of M.H.R.R.

Rudolf II = Chancellor of M.H.R.R.
Mathias = President of the Student Council of M.H.R.R.
Tomoe Gozen = Secretary of the Student Council of M.H.R.R.
Guericke = Mayor of Magdeburg.

Matsunaga Danjou Hisahide = Nobunaga’s senpai. Chancellor of the Murasai Faction at the Kii Peninsula.
Kuki Yoshitaka = Member of the defense committee and the representative of the marine battle.
Takigawa Kazumasu = Ninja that is the commander of a certain battleship that I don’t remember the name.
Suzuki Magoichi = Member of the defense committee.
Suleiman = Great Chancellor of the former Ottoman Empire.

Spoiler for Hexagone Française V3 Characters:

Louis Exiv = Chancellor. Terumoto’s husband.
Turenne = Vice-Chancellor.
Henri of the Three Musketeers = First Member of the Special Duty.
Armand of the Three Musketeers = Second Member of the Special Duty.
Isaac of the Three Musketeers = Third Member of the Special Duty.
Mouri 01 (Mori Motokiyo) = Fourth Member of the Special Duty and the Secretary of the Student Council.
Mouri 02 (Mori Motoharu) = Fifth member of the Special Duty.
Mouri 03 (Kobayakawa Takakage) = Sixth Member of the Special Duty.

Mori Terumoto = President of the Student Council. Exiv’s wife.
Ryuinu = Vice-president and the treasurer of the Student Council.

Anne d’Autriche = Exiv’s younger sister.

Spoiler for Shin Takeda V3 Characters:

Minamoto Kurou Yoshitsune = Chancellor and the President of the Student Council.
Benkei = Vice-chancellor.
Satou Brothers = Vice-president (s) of the Student Council.

Spoiler for Others:

Satomi Academy:

(Second) Satomi Yoshiyori = Chancellor.
Satomi Yoshiyasu = President of the Student Council.

Sanada Ten Braves:

Sarutobi Sasuke = First “Not Needed”.
Kirigakure Saito = Second “Not Needed”.
Miyoshi Seikai = Third “Not Needed”.
Isa Nyudou = Fourth “Not Needed”.
Anayama Kosuke = Fifth “Not Needed”.
Unno Rokurou = Seventh “Not Needed”.
Kakei Juzou = Tenth “Not Needed”.

Índia Faction:

Hojo Ushinao = Chancellor.

Spoiler for Characters and their original counterparts Vol03:

Character: Original

K.P.A.Italia:

Tachibana Dosetsu: Tachibana Dosetsu
Murakami Motoyoshi: Murakami Motoyoshi *jp wiki

P.A.ODA:

Oda Nobunaga: Oda Nobunaga
Shibata Katsuie: Shibata Katsuie
Sassa Narimasa: Sassa Narimasa
Hashiba Toukichirou Hideyoshi: Toyotomi Hideyoshi and Melchior Klesl

Matsunaga Hisahide: Matsunaga Hisahide
Kuki Yoshitaka: Kuki Yoshitaka
Takigawa Kazumasu: Takigawa Kazumasu
Suzuki Magoichi: Suzuki Magoichi
Suleiman: Suleiman I

Hexagone Française:

Louis Exiv: Louis XIV
Mori Terumoto: Mori Terumoto
Turenne: Henri de la Tour d'Auvergne, Vicomte de Turenne
Henri of the Three Musketeers: Henri d'Aramitz
Armand of the Three Musketeers: Armand d'Athos
Isaac of the Three Musketeers: Isaac de Porthau
Mouri01: Mori Motokiyo
Mouri02: Mori Motoharu *jp wiki
Mouri03: Kobayakawa Takakage

Ryuinu: Jules Mazarin
Anne d'Autriche: Anne of Austria

Shin Takeda:

Minamoto Yoshitsune: Takeda Shingen and Nurhachi
Benkei: Saitō no Musashibō Benkei
Satou Brothers: Satou Tadanobu and Satou Tsugunobu

Sanada Ten Braves:

Sarutobi Sasuke: Sarutobi Sasuke
Kirigakure Saizo: Kirigakure Saizo
Miyoshi Seikai: Miyoshi Masayasu *jp wiki
Isa Nyudou: Miyoshi Masakatsu *jp wiki
Anayama Kosuke: Anayama Kosuke *jp wiki
Unno Rokurou: Unno Rokurou *jp wiki
Kakei Juzou: Kakei Juzou *jp wiki

M.H.R.R.:

Rudolf II: Rudolf II
Matthias: Matthias of Austria
Tomoe Gozen: Tomoe Gozen
Guericke: Otto von Guericke

Others:

Satomi Yoshiyasu: Satomi Yoshiyasu *jp wiki
Satomi Yoshiyori: Satomi Yoshiyori *jp wiki
Hojo Ujinao: Hojo Ujinao

Spoiler for Factions Knowledge:

Very simple version:

*IZUMO = Neutral Region.
*M.H.R.R. Catholics and P.A.ODA are together.
*Hexagone Française and M.H.R.R. Protestants are together.
*The Hojo and the Satomi Clan (Kantou Forces) are future Matsudaira’s allies (Musashi).
*Sanada Ten Braves starts as Matsudaira’s allies, but “betray” them later going to the P.A.ODA.
*P.A.ODA are enemies of K.P.A.Italia.
*P.A.ODA are enemies of the Kantou Forces.

Spoiler for History Knowledge:

This volume finally starts mixing the events in the Sengoku Period together with the events in the Europe. Main events:

Second? Battle of Shigizuka Kawaguchi; *jp wiki
Sack of Madgeburg;
Battle of Mikatagahara;
Battle of Nagashino;
Start of the Bunroku Keicho no Eki ~ First Invasions (more details later?);

Okay, in this volume these events had a lot of importance. In few words:

Second Battle of Shigizuka Kawaguchi: K.P.A.Italia X P.A.ODA;
Sack of Madgeburg: P.A.ODA/M.H.R.R. Catholics X M.H.R.R. Protestants/Musashi/Hexagone Française;
Battle of Mikatagahara/Start of the Bunroku Keicho no Eki: Shin Takeda/P.A.ODA X Musashi (details later);
Battle of Nagashino: P.A.ODA X Shin Takeda;

In the summary itself I’ll try to explain better these events.

Spoiler for V3A-1:

*During the story this time there were some talks between Ryuinu and Anne. About how Anne was feeling that she was going to die soon. <- Very important

Musashi is in IZUMO getting repairs from the Armada War. New daily-life of the Musashi Students. Now that Muneshige/Gin/Mary are there too we get to see new interactions, Nate (Neito)’s flags for getting faster, Toori’s eroges being discovered (Student council’s room, Nate’s house, etc…), Horizon wanting to know about her mother by talking with Mitsu, Suzu helping “Musashi”, etc…

At IZUMO, Masazumi was getting infos with Ben and Walsingham. Futayo and Neshimbara are attacked by four of the Sanada Braves. The fight is stopped when Ushinao, Yoshiyasu and Yoshitsune appeared. Then, it’s decided that these leaders are going to meet at an english’s restaurant (something like that) to talk.

Obs.: From this start we have the presence of Neshimbara’s stalker in the chat

Negotiation 1:

*The Satomi and the Hojo Clan are going to be, according to the history, under Matsudaira (Musashi).

Hojo Ushinao and Satomi Yoshiyori decided only to trust Musashi if they show enough power (war, politics, as a country in general). They were going to confirm this in the battle against Hexagone Française that would happen the next day. Their main objective was to see if Musashi could go to different battles without any brakes (like there was until now).

*Musashi’s future plans (by Masazumi): After leaving IZUMO (Hexagone Française wasn’t going to accept that Musashi stayed for more time in IZUMO~Testamet Union’s influence), they were going to go recreate the Battle of Mikatagahara, go to Mikawa/Kantou region.
*Battle of Mikatagahara: A battle which Matsudaira was going to lose badly to the Takeda (Shingen Takeda’s forces) and Naruse Masayoshi (Marga Naruze) was supposed to die. After this battle the Takeda Clan would start losing its power.

Yoshitsune who was at the same time Shingen Takeda and Nurhaci didn’t care about Musashi. But she proposed that if they could make her feel something that she would think of a way in which Musashi wasn’t going to be in a position so bad. This was the condition because to Yoshitsune who already lived for too much time (first character to appear in the anime), there wasn’t any meaning in the lives of people who would die after living just a few years.
Who was the only who could do that in Musashi? Just the idiot naked Toori, We have the “chonmage” scene and after as awesome talk between him and Yoshitsune, she decided to help them.

*In the way to Mikawa, they were going to pass into the region of Mitsuhide Akechi (member of P.A.ODA~enemies of Musashi). To pass there without any trouble, it was proposed to use Azuma’s position as the son of the “Mikado”. In the end, it was decided that Yoshitsune was going to help if needed and that they wouldn’t be using Azuma.

Then, Matsunaga appeared. He appeared without any bodyguards in the middle of four Chancellor enemies just to say that he wanted to know about the ones he was going to “destroy” later. Later Masazumi confirmed that they are going to fight in the future and that the main objective this time would be going to the Kantou region while having to fight against an enemy of Matsunaga’s scale. -> Not exactly this, but…

Btw, Toori already knew Matsunaga because he always bought the eroge he created. lol

Spoiler for V3A-2:

We get to know about Noriki’s true identity and that in the future we are going to have some event between him and Ushinao. Preparations to the battle against Hexagone Française. Here we have Yoshiyori wanting to talk with Toori about something important. This didn’t happen and…

Battle against Hexagone Française:

*Main objective (Musashi): Prevent Hexagone Française (HF) members from boarding Musashi for 15? minutes.
*First battle which have a lot of Gods of War (Those mechas);
*At first the three musketeers of HF started attacking Musashi;
*Main members of Musashi in the front line: Futayo, Adele (Shield), Tenzou and Mary;
*Four Sanada Members (now on the Shingen Takeda’s side) are helping Musashi;
*We get to see the power of the Gods of War of the Satomi Clan (Yoshiyori and Yoshiyasu) and some abilities of Ushinao;
*The situation was good to Musashi until Louis Exiv and Mori Terumoto appeared on the battlefield. Toori appeared too. Then:

- HF is going to be the “leader” of the countries in the Europe side in the future;
- Mori’s clan is going to battle against Matsudaira in the future and lose badly (Terumoto should die?);
- Louis Exiv answered Toori’s declaration of war (first volume) by saying that they, HF, was going to conquer the world. -> They would defeat Musashi, gets their names, so Terumoto wouldn’t have to die;
- Louis Exiv proposed Musashi to give up now;
- Musashi’s answer was no;
- Sassa Narimasa appeared;
- Toori trolled him -> Restart of the battle;

*Sassa’s objective is to kill Toori -> Adele goes protect him;
*Louis Exiv and Terumoto use their Logismoi Oplo -> You could say that they are invincible while they feel vanity and pride;
*One of the effects is that to the people of Musashi move, they would have to say/think about every action they were going to do;
*Retreat of the Musashi students;
*Sassa destroys Adele’s shield;
*Because of Toori’s ability most of the students got enough ether to move and go back to Musashi -> Toori got behind and:

- Futayo started fighting against Sassa;
- Ulquiaga rescued Adele;
- Nate went to save Toori;
- Toori appeared captured by Turenne, who is in fact Nate’s mother.

Spoiler for V3B-1:

*Nate was defeated badly by her mom;
*Even Futayo or Sassa couldn’t do anything against her;
*She destroyed part of the structure they were in and got away with Toori to eat him later -> She is the Queen of the “Ruugaruu” (mix between human and wolf). They love meat, including human meat too;

A rescue team was formed: Tenzou, Mary, Margot and Nate. In the middle of this confusion Ryuinu boarded into Musashi and said that she wanted to negotiate with Musashi if the rescue team could defeat a force of automated dolls. But before this, Masazumi, Shirojiro, Marga, Asama and Horizon went to negotiate with Guericke (to Musashi stay at Madgeburg + other things).

Negotation 2:

*Guericke was creating certain spheres (something like Madgeburg hemispheres Horizon version?) that could help in something against the Apocalypse;
*He is a fan of Marga’s doujins -> Eh?
*He is a fan of the doujins who focus on Asama -> Understandable. Eh!?
*Horizon started getting some experience in this kind of discussions;
*In the end, what was going to decide the “winner” of this negotiation was a DOGEZA battle between the two merchants: Shirojiro X Guericke -> Shirojiro won in an epic??? battle;
*Asama and Masazumi -> Flag 2 + More material to the next Asama’s doujin by Marga;
*Musashi was allowed to stay at Madgeburg and maybe was going to help at the Sack of Madgeburg later -> really don’t remember the details of this. If there is anything wrong please do a tsukkomi :P

Rescue Team X Mouri Sisters:

*Nate was still weak, so the rescue team had only three members who could fight against about 20 automated dolls;
*Tenzou’s plans were the main advantage from the rescue team;
*In the end Nate defeated the last? Automated doll and got some tips about getting faster;
*Later we discover how Marga and Margot started getting well between them.

Toori side:

*Toori was being seduced by Nate Maman to get eaten later;
*He “defeated” her;
*He said that he was still a kid and wasn’t worthwhile to be her opponent;
*He got some tips about being a King;
*He gets to know about how she met her husband… -> 18+

Spoiler for V3B-2:

Back to Musashi:

*We get infos that Persona-kun may be an important person of the Mori clan. Maybe;
*Hexagone Française, M.H.R.R. Protestants and Musashi turned into allies;
*Rescue Team regroups with Toori and Nate Maman -> Mission: Go to the tower where is Rudolf II (near Madgeburg) and get a certain document about the Apocalypse made by Carlos I;
*Musashi is attacked by P.A.ODA:

- Shibata Katsuie, Sassa with the help of Takigawa -> Destroy a place in Musashi;
- Marga was trying to prevent an attack from Takigawa’s ship;
- Muneshige, Gin, some members of the Sanada clan, Adele (against Sassa), Futayo were fighting against the other two -> Shibata destroyed a part of Tombokiri?
- Musashi members prevented the worst and they left;
- Gozen-sama appeared -> Marry me!

Anne finally appears, we get more info about the Sack of Madgeburg, Yoshiyasu’s future developments hints, the team in HF starts getting prepared to go to Rudolf II’s place.

Second Battle of Shigizuka Kawaguchi:

*P.A.ODA X K.P.A.Italia;
*Kuki Yoshitaka and Suzuki Magoichi were the main members of the P.A.ODA side;
*Murakami Motoyoshi and Tachibana Dousetsu were the main members of the K.P.A.Italia side;
*P.A.ODA attacking K.P.A.Italia;
*K.P.A.Italia had the advantage in the end, but P.A.ODA used something that was never seen before: A bomb that has the same effects (but in a smaller scale) of a Platonic Plate Reactor going out of control (episode 5 of the anime shows this very well). Btw, the name of this bomb is something like: “Dragon Plate Reactor/Dragon Pulse Reactor”.

Spoiler for V3C-1:

Consequences of the Second Battle of Shigizuka Kawaguchi: The tsundere for Musashi Pope President, Innocentius, disappeared. -> The leader of the Testament Union isn’t here anymore! -> Then, because we (P.A.ODA) won this battle, we are going to take control of the Testament Union, okay?

Negotiation 3:

Participants: Masazumi (Musashi/Matsudaira), Anne/Ryuinu (HF), Gozen-sama and Guericke (M.H.R.R. Protestants), Matsunaga/Suleiman (P.A.ODA).

*Anne was a little “harsh” against Masazumi;
*Guericke was always ignored by Gozen-sama -> Change with me Guericke!
*Matsunaga was there, but being more an ally of Musashi than of P.A.ODA. Same for Suleiman, I think;
*In the end the main topic was if Musashi was going to join them in an anti-P.A.ODA faction. They know that Musashi still haven’t enough power as a country and wanted to know how they were going to react in relation to that.
*Masazumi’s answer was something like that: “Musashi is going to the Kantou region to get stronger, while this is happening you can test us. When we got back we’ll be a real country.”

Team in HF:

*After some events, they finally arrive at the tower where Rudolf II is;
*Because of some conditions, only Nate gets to meet him;
*Epic battle between them;
*Nate finally discovers how to get faster and faster;
*Nate wins in the end and discovers that Rudolf II is a woman? Maybe yes, maybe not;
*The team completes its mission getting the Carlos I notes and starts going to Madgeburg.

Preparation of the Sack of Madgeburg. Before this battle and the other ones after that, let me put here in a simple way Musashi’s objectives from now on:

1. Help in the recreation of the Sack of Madgeburg. (against P.A.ODA)
- Regroup with Toori’s team.
2. Leave Madgeburg and go against Matsunaga.
3. Recreation of the Battle of Mikatagahara together with Yoshitsune.
4. Go to the Kantou region.

Spoiler for V3C-2:

Sack of Madgeburg: (Don’t remember lots of details)

*P.A.ODA/M.H.R.R. Catholics X M.H.R.R. Protestants/HF/Musashi;
*P.A.ODA starts the attack. Main members in the front lines: Sassa and Shibata;
*Sassa X Marga ~ Later we have Sassa X Marga/Margot;
*Nate Maman says that she’ll send Nate later, so the rest of the team goes on first. But her objective was to test her daughter once more. Nate with the help of the Ex. Collbrande gets to pass in this test. -> Here we discover why she is loyal to Toori too;
*Shibata goes against a lot of enemies (Gozen-sama, Muneshige, Gin, Futayo);
*Maeda uses his zombie’s army;
*HF counters that;
*Tenzou, Mary and Toori regroup with Naomasa;
*Shibata gets to destroy the core? of Tombokiri;
*He is only “defeated” after a lot of effort and a surprise attack by Nate Maman -> パネエ;
*P.A.ODA starts retreating?, only to some time later use a “Dragon Pulse Reactor”;
*Anne together with the help of Ryuinu prevented the worst (HF/Musashi’s members death) in a very good, yet sad scene -> ;_______;

- Remember the price Toori had to pay for that ability in the first volume? Jud., if he feels sad, he’ll die. -> Asama “lied” to prevent Toori from dying...
- Musashi leaves, but Maeda and Takigawa’s ships try to prevent them from going;
- Suzu gets to be known as a moe character in the tripulation of Takigawa’s ship;
- Maeda’s ships are “ghost ships”. Asama destroys two of them (just not do anymore because there isn’t more fluid/ether) -> Critical Miko;
- Hassan destroys one of these ships using curry -> lol;

Obs.: Matsunaga is like a senpai “destroyer” of Nobunaga. According to the history, he dies after betraying Nobunaga for the second time. He had already done that once.

Against? Matsunaga:

*In the end he let Musashi pass and starts a battle against Maeda’s ships;
*He was already with the intention of dying (betrayed Nobunaga for the second time);
*Nobunaga sends a message to him saying that he would be forgiven one more time;
*Before dying he says that he’ll win the bet of knowing who is going to change the world from now on: An idiot who only thinks of destroying (Nobunaga) or an idiot who only thinks of constructing (Toori);
*Only few people get to know about this (at first) and they don’t tell anything to Toori.

Spoiler for V3C-3:

Note: The Battle of Nagashino is the Battle where Shingen Takeda dies. Here in Horizon it's not necessary for that to happen, but in some cases...

Battle of Mikatagahara:

*Maeda starts negotiating with Yoshitsune, saying that they would help them in this battle (don’t forget that P.A.ODA has the Testament Union under their control now);
*Masazumi enters this discussion to try to prevent this from happening;
*Maeda uses the argument that Musashi has intention of harm against P.A.ODA (Musashi wasn’t supposed to participate in the Sack of Madgeburg);
*Masazumi discovers that this was a trap (it was impossible to get out of this situation with a positive result) and tries to get all the responsibility about this mistake to herself (her future career of Politian would be in a very, very bad position);
*Toori appears and makes the situation gets a little better? by saying that this was a fake Masazumi;
*Maeda falls in the first little trap made by Masazumi -> He entered Yoshitsune’s territory without her consent;
*Maeda uses the power of the Testament Union and says that he’ll start attacking Musashi (for disobeying their orders, being a threat) and Yoshitsune’s forces.
*Yoshitsune accepts that and even say that they can recreate the Battle of Nagashino too;
*In the end she gives more hints about the Apocalypse (like an Academy that nobody knows);
*Sanada ninjas betray Musashi and go away -> flag of a lot of future battles;
*Musashi gets covered be her forces;
*P.A.ODA uses that once more. Nobody thought that they would have one more “Dragon Pulse Reactor”. What happens? Yoshitsune dies... -> Not confirmed, but… FFFU(ry
*Nobody tells Toori about this;

*Hashiba Toukichirou Hideyoshi (a girl?) appears with a ship of the same class as Musashi, called Azuchi. In the ship there was she and more ten people, the “Ten spears”.
*She says that she’ll help in the recreation of the Battle of Mikatagahara and already starts the “Bunroku no Eki”. She can do that because the Testament Union is under their control and because Satomi’s most important members are in Musashi;
*That’s why she says that the person who has the name of Naruse Masayoshi must die;
*Marga decides to go together with Margot, but Yoshiyori declares himself as the Naruse Masayoshi and goes;
*Yoshiyasu discovers the truth about her sister’s death and what he was trying to do all along (remember before the Battle against HF? This was his objective all along);
*First time that we see a desperate Toori -> trying to stop him;
*He says a very important thing to Toori before going (Rough translation):

“Let me say. You have to laugh at the future battles that are to come!
From now on, no matter what losses there are, no matter if it’s something to cry, just you have to laugh.
You have to laugh at the ones like me, even if all the others around you are crying, if you can still fight, then you have to laugh!
No matter what happens from now on, you have to laugh….!
Save people like me and her!”

*He goes;
*He dies;
*Everybody gets worried with Toori, but he says that he can’t cry anymore because of what Yoshiyori said -> ;________;
*Hashiba confirms his death and the Battle is finally over. A complete defeat to Musashi.

Consequences and conclusions:

*Musashi finally arrives around Mikawa’s region and gets the help from the people from “Ariake”/Kantou IZUMO;
*Suzu who was in the command room all the time rushed to the place everyone was. She trusted them, but was worried that they could have lost the power to fight, to hasten, to protect. But when she got there with the help of Toori and Horizon, she saw that this wasn’t the case. That everything was fine. And she thought, what would happen if they get the power to fight, to hasten, to protect? In the end, Marga was going to draw a picture of everyone, just like Matsudaira did when he lost in the Battle of Mikatagahara and reflected upon it. After she started drawing:

“Everyone is with a good face,”
Yes. That’s why
“Next time, those who are going to move the history are us.”

thank you sir for an extensive spoiler

[Kunagisa]

Originally Posted by Zeroblade

Her arms are prosthetic, like Naomasa's right arm.

Also, I did a bit of looking up re: Logismoi oplo -

The "Logismoi" probably comes from Evagrius's book (titled as such) which contains the eight evil thoughts, while "oplo" is Greek for "weapon."

So I guess that's where the name comes from!

Heyyyyyyy I didn't know you post here too!!!!

Thanks for the infodump!!!!

[black_cat1]

The Satomi siblings are surely badass, hope we will see this scene in anime and Sunrise will do us a favor with an amazing work.

[Yamamoto-sensei]

Could you please tell me some information about Suzu, Neito and Masazumi like their ability, the relationship with Toori. I'm pretty interest in Neito
I'm now reading part 1 of vol 2 but according from what i saw then vol 3 is Neito battle her mother. Can you spoil that for me

[Cosmic Eagle]

Ok....reading 4A now....

Date are the lords of East Europe? And Uesugi rule Soviet Russia? How does that figure? when Date are to the east of Uesugi territory....

Or does East Europe here actually mean every nation east of the Urals?

[Morisato]

So each "volume" is divided into parts where each "part" is more like a volume? Any reason why it's done like that?

Is there a jump in settings or timeskip between the "volumes"? And why did the prologue *just* end after 3 volumes (about 7 actual volumes)? Does that mean a timeskip after the prologue?

[Zeroblade]

Originally Posted by stuopidget

Heyyyyyyy I didn't know you post here too!!!!

Thanks for the infodump!!!!

iyaiya~ you're welcome ( ﾟ ヮﾟ)
I actually came here because this is proooooobably the best English Horizon discussion place there is right now. which is really great since I can't read the novels due to lack of time and JP language knowledge （´・ω・｀）

[Marcus H.]

^ Oh wait, you're the guy who's handling the infodump! :-o
I'm the Wiki guy, nice to see you here!

[Suzuku]

Originally Posted by Morisato

So each "volume" is divided into parts where each "part" is more like a volume? Any reason why it's done like that?

Because if it weren't the books would be the size of shelves.

Is there a jump in settings or timeskip between the "volumes"? And why did the prologue *just* end after 3 volumes (about 7 actual volumes)? Does that mean a timeskip after the prologue?

Can't answer the above questions, but I wanted to correct what's in the bold. In terms of length and page count, it's more like 20-something novels now.

[Suiri Megami Alice]

As was posted in baka-tsuki forum,

Spoiler for comparison:

(Index 1-19 on left, Horizon 1-7 on right)

If you added Volume 4A and 4B to that (+1406 pages), it will top Index (excluding New Testament and Railgun series).

And I just got my copies today from kinokuniya. p/

Spoiler for /p:

...Neit <3

Once Book 2 arrive next week, I can resume reading. I could read from the scans but reading them in the monitor just feels weird to me.


---
From Book 1 part 2

Spoiler for lol:

Neit: "From a different person's perspective, he is quite queer."
Tomo: "Mito, you just don't realize it, but you're queer enough yourself."
Adele: "Hearing that from a Miko with an artificial eye, and with a huge sized breast, it just doesn't feel right."
Urquiaga: "I don't think a meganekko wearing an armor bigger than her body has the right to say that."
Tenzo: "Hahaha Urqui-dono, is that a thing to say for a half-dragon and an inquisitor officer like you?"
Kimi: Fufufu, this ninja doesn't see his self as well. Why are you blatantly ninja-ing your own character?
Tori: Hey hey, why is everyone ostracizing me from this talk. Let me join the fun!

This cracked me up like crazy. Everyone is so damn funny. xD

[Allen]

Originally Posted by Yamamoto-sensei

Could you please tell me some information about Suzu, Neito and Masazumi like their ability, the relationship with Toori. I'm pretty interest in Neito
I'm now reading part 1 of vol 2 but according from what i saw then vol 3 is Neito battle her mother. Can you spoil that for me

Spoiler for answers:

If you're reading the second volume now, you'll get to know more about Suzu's abilities (something like a "sensor" by using her super-audition). And it looks she still have feelings for him (4B shows that? Haven't read this volume yet ), even if she already accepted that Toori has only eyes to Horizon.

Masazumi is the true main character is in charge of negotiations/the political aspects in Musashi. It's more possible that she gets an Asama ending than a Toori ending.

Neito's ability focused most on her super-power until the second volume, but in the third volume she got some power-up events that made she uses her power better. Because of that, she turned very fast (you can see in the first episode that she is running together with "normal" people, now that won't happen anymore). About her fight with Neito Maman, well, I don't remember much about that. If I'm not mistaken she had one minute to hurt her mom. She only gets to do that because she was finally at the same? speed as her mom and used the Ex. Collbrande (same level of weapon as her mom used?).

Oh yeah, Neito got the OK from her mother to go and get Toori for her. It's obvious that she really likes him (we have some events between in V2B, V3C?, V4A) and with that who knows what will happen from now. But it's not like Toori'll change his mind about Horizon so early... If that ever happens, it's only in the ending...

Originally Posted by Morisato

Is there a jump in settings or timeskip between the "volumes"? And why did the prologue *just* end after 3 volumes (about 7 actual volumes)? Does that mean a timeskip after the prologue?

I think it's better to say that the first part ended after 3 volumes. The author said that in the afterword of the volume 3C because that volume was like an ending of a big, very big arc. You can say that there are timeskips, but normally these are only of two weeks in their world.

Originally Posted by animeruri

And I just got my copies today from kinokuniya. p/

Spoiler for /p:

...Neit <3

Have a nice read