AnimeSuki Forums

Register Forum Rules FAQ Members List Social Groups Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Go Back   AnimeSuki Forum > Anime Discussion > Older Series > Gundam

Notices

View Poll Results: Critique of Episode 05
10: Amazing... 3 5.17%
9 out of 10: Excellent... 6 10.34%
8 out of 10: Very Good... 9 15.52%
7 out of 10: Good... 17 29.31%
6 out of 10: Average... 12 20.69%
5 out of 10: Below Average... 7 12.07%
4 out of 10: Poor... 1 1.72%
3 out of 10: Bad... 2 3.45%
2 out of 10: Very Bad... 1 1.72%
1 out of 10: Torturous... 0 0%
Voters: 58. You may not vote on this poll

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 2011-11-06, 15:08   Link #41
StrikeFreedomV2
Super Striker
 
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Germany
Age: 29
This episode got an 8 from me.

The story thickens as we are introduced to a new faction. Is Eden some kind of cult or why are they wearing robes? Desil's Gundamjack certainly was something different than what you usually get. What is his and Eden's motivation?

Grodek's seems like a good guy that uses dirty tricks. Don't know what to think about it yet, but he's definitely one of the most interesting Gundam Captain's so far. I look forward to his development in the future.

I don't find Emily annoying at all. It's quite understandable for me that she reacts like that to the enitre situation with Flit. Same goes for Shakti in V Gundam, but that's another story.

Flit's resolve is now even stronger than before. I look forward to how good a pilot he will become in the future.

Looking forward to the next episode^^

Quote:
Originally Posted by kk2extreme View Post
I don't even know what is the purpose of Dique after all these ep
Comic relief, I guess. I hope he gets funny if that's the case. So far he's... just there.

Last edited by StrikeFreedomV2; 2011-11-06 at 16:23. Reason: double post... I didn't realize that. Sorry^^
StrikeFreedomV2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2011-11-06, 16:02   Link #42
ion475
にこにこにー
 
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: 国立音ノ木坂学院
While there are plot developments (Mostly the introduction of Eden) and another "Newtype", I just can't rate this high when the two main characters are so f**king annoying...

Flit = Okay, I understand he want to protect everyone. But "Gundam is mine" is getting annoying also, especially when Desii could have (and really SHOULD have, so that no more Flit wasting it...) steal Gundam, brings it back to Eden, and fight against Diva.
Emily = She's lucky that Grodeck is no Bright, or else she would have get slapped already (I really wish Grodeck slapped her right on the spot...). Seriously, caring is one thing, going Fllay/Nina Purpleton is another...Hack, I'm pretty sure she'll defect to UE (If they're human) or something like that if she's able to - just so that she can claim Flit all by herself. (Okay, she's no Katejina, at least not yet...)

And sigh...when will Yamada Yurin appear again?
ion475 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2011-11-06, 16:34   Link #43
Orath
Gunpla newborn
 
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Age: 33
Send a message via MSN to Orath
This episode was a 4 for me,:

1- Emily, enough said about her by most people, she has the potential to become the most annoying heroine in the gundam franchise. (-2)
2- Gordek, a cool character, but the plot involving him just doesn't make sense no matter how corrupt the federation is. An arrest order can't be negated by some guy cause he was caught red handed. Did the guy think by allowing Gordek to stay at faradin, the federation will not discover his corruption? will the federation let their precious ship and the gundam they funded just go away like this? it doesn't make sense. (-2)
3- Disel, and the shallow plot line involving him, hijacking the gundam so easily, leaving the ship without any resistance from the ship control, and outdoing Flit the first time piloting it. Again it didn't feel right and the show doesn't put the effort to make it feel realistic. (-1)
4- Flit, a genius, good hearted and over protective of his friends, feeling powerless. As a plot device that we have seen used to develop our gundam heroes, the implementation in this series is appalling. "if i had that, i could be stronger?", just give him steroids already. (-1)
5- The world, so far the telling of the story and its factions have been shallow. Not sure if its intended or not, but the feeling so far its as if this is Gundam for kindergarten. Even the eden introduction felt weak. (-2).

I have hoped the series would pick up by now, but it just isn't cutting it for me. For the first time in my life as a gundam fan, I feel disappointed. Ignoring the art style (which isn't growing on me so far), a lot of standard elements that make a gundam series isn't there. The complex politics, the believable technologies or at least explainable in scifi terms, the clashes of ideals, and the sophisticated plots is just missing so far. It feels as if this series was dumbed down to allow a younger demographic targeting.
Orath is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2011-11-06, 16:36   Link #44
Kaioshin Sama
Banned
 
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Neither Here nor There
Age: 29
Send a message via MSN to Kaioshin Sama
Wow a lot more going on this episode compared to last. We've got Grodek finally coming clean to Emily of all people as to why he stole the ship and so far it's kind of looking like he was justified. The Federation has come across as really corrupt and incompetent and like it's only looking out for it's own interests, much like the Federation of the U.C timeline. So corrupt is the Federation here yet again that it actually gives Grodek an out with the Federation officer that came to arrest him. Clearly Grodek's methods are the lesser of evils and the greater chance for survival....so far at least. He's also convinced that he has a winning strategy to defeat the UE in one fell swoop, but odds are that doesn't work out. Still he's doing a better job than I think Fonroid would have done so far given his attitude and I think if Fonroid had been in charge everybody would have probably been dead by now.

Emily again is finding herself further and further alienated from people and I can understand where she's coming from a bit with trying to get Flit out of piloting the Gundam, but I think she just needs to have a heart to heart with him instead of trying to beat around the bush by talking to everyone else. Woolf continues to be great in his budding bromance with Flit and kind of goaded him into committing a little more to piloting the Gundam. I think Woolf is officially sempai at this point which unfortunately qualifies him for not making it through this show, but we'll see how that goes.

The other big event this episode was obviously the arrival at Fardain and introduction of Desiel, who I can see being the focal point for resurgent bitching about the show being kiddy (in other words I predict people HATE this character), however I find the kid just plain creepy and not very human more than anything. He seems to be related somehow to Yurin (similar name, similar powers, both appearing in the opening around the same time), only much more vaguely evil and dangerous. With all of this talk by the mysterious masked man at the end of the episode about an Eden project of some kind and his apparent giftedness at piloting mobile suits I can't help but wonder if he and Yurin haven't been bread for some kind of shady extended human project. Does Eden relate to anything that the UE are doing? Does the masked man have anything to do with the UE or are they opposed to them in some way? The plot really thickens with the introduction of this mysterious faction.

In any case next time it looks like they're going to the ghetto's of Fardain where thing will probably get a little more layered in this arc. Pretty interesting start to the arc though if you aren't immediately bothered by the new cast introductions.
Kaioshin Sama is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2011-11-06, 16:44   Link #45
.:Jason:.
~The Radiant Protector~
 
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: America.
Send a message via AIM to .:Jason:. Send a message via MSN to .:Jason:.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Orath View Post
This episode was a 4 for me,:

1- Emily, enough said about her by most people, she has the potential to become the most annoying heroine in the gundam franchise. (-2)
2- Gordek, a cool character, but the plot involving him just doesn't make sense no matter how corrupt the federation is. An arrest order can't be negated by some guy cause he was caught red handed. Did the guy think by allowing Gordek to stay at faradin, the federation will not discover his corruption? will the federation let their precious ship and the gundam they funded just go away like this? it doesn't make sense. (-2)
3- Disel, and the shallow plot line involving him, hijacking the gundam so easily, leaving the ship without any resistance from the ship control, and outdoing Flit the first time piloting it. Again it didn't feel right and the show doesn't put the effort to make it feel realistic. (-1)
4- Flit, a genius, good hearted and over protective of his friends, feeling powerless. As a plot device that we have seen used to develop our gundam heroes, the implementation in this series is appalling. "if i had that, i could be stronger?", just give him steroids already. (-1)
5- The world, so far the telling of the story and its factions have been shallow. Not sure if its intended or not, but the feeling so far its as if this is Gundam for kindergarten. Even the eden introduction felt weak. (-2).
Your math is wrong, taking out all those points would make it a 2 for you, not a 4.

Anyways, another good episode. While the reason Grodek is still in charge doesn't make sense when other members of the Federation could get involved, I can see how him blackmailing to buy time would work. As for Disel, I don't like him. I know he's up to something and while having a human/humanoid villain is fun, he just came off as really arrogant for his age which isn't really justified just because of his powers.
__________________

Set by TheEroKing.

Last edited by .:Jason:.; 2011-11-06 at 17:15.
.:Jason:. is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2011-11-06, 16:47   Link #46
Kaioshin Sama
Banned
 
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Neither Here nor There
Age: 29
Send a message via MSN to Kaioshin Sama
Quote:
Originally Posted by .:Jason:. View Post
Your math is wrong, taking out all those points would ake it a 2 for you, not a 4.

Anyways, another good episode. While the reason Grodek is still in charge doesn't make sense when other members of the Federation could get involved, I can see how him blackmailing to buy time would work. As for Disel, I don't like him. I know he's up to something and while having a human/humanoid villan is fun, he just came off as really arrogant for his age which isn't really justified just because of is powers.
Actually now that you mention all this

Spoiler for Gundam X Spoilers:
Kaioshin Sama is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2011-11-06, 17:03   Link #47
lightbringer
M9000
 
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: SBC Gurokken
Quote:
Originally Posted by Orath View Post
Not sure if its intended or not, but the feeling so far its as if this is Gundam for kindergarten.
If it feels like Gundam for kindergarten, that's because it actually is Gundam for kindergarten. The plot has more holes than Swiss cheese, and many things are just dumbed down. If it did not have the Gundam moniker attached to it, half the people here would probably not watch it at all. I'm not sure whether I myself have the stomach for 45 more episodes of this, to be honest - I'm definitely outside the target audience of this show.

About the new kid, the moment he appeared on screen, I was thinking "Flit, meet your arch-nemesis", and then they really went and did the whole pseudo-Newtype thing and set up the rivalry as expected.
lightbringer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2011-11-06, 17:04   Link #48
Orath
Gunpla newborn
 
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Age: 33
Send a message via MSN to Orath
Quote:
Originally Posted by .:Jason:. View Post
Your math is wrong, taking out all those points would ake it a 2 for you, not a 4.
Wasn't planning to put no5 in there, but ended up putting out of disappointment of how shallow the plot has been so far.
Orath is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2011-11-06, 17:12   Link #49
ars89
One-Eyed Dragon
 
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: NJ, USA
Age: 25
Grodek getting rid of his arrest was awesome. Liked how Emily confronted Grodek, but still can't do anything. Seems like Grodek wants revenge. So Desil pulled and awesome gundamjack. 6 yrs old? Youngest ever ace. So the newtypes belong to EDEN. Was going to say EDEN was the UE, but didn't make sense that Desil took out the gafrans. Maybe they're a secret organization with the federation. Seriously though its all Flit's fault that it happened.
__________________
ars89 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2011-11-06, 17:34   Link #50
KNIGHTMAREGUNDAM
Senior Member
 
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Guaynabo, Puerto Rico
I give the episode an 8.

Again it was mostly about character development but we got introduced to the -supposed- archrival with Decil and this Eden group.

Grodek is setting a new standard in ship captains of Gundam series. Not only did he prevented his court martial but he discovered the location of the UE's base.

I liked what they are doing with Emily. Its very realistic, especially the part were she runs to her room and says that she doesn't understand. Its just so real, she a 14 year old girl who lived a normal life with Flit who she has a crush on and suddenly she's expose to all the real world adult stuff of war. And the part were she tells Grodek that he's being selfish; that come back to her when she realizes that she is also selfish.

I loved how Decil took out that first UE mobile suit. Such a homage to the original Gundam. I wonder what kind of battle data they gathered from that.

And could their be a connection between Decil and Yurin? Who knows.

One thing that caught my attention is when Decil says he's dissapointed in Flit and the Gundam. Flit I can understand but the Gundam? Makes me wonder what type of suits he's used to piloting.
KNIGHTMAREGUNDAM is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2011-11-06, 17:35   Link #51
monster
Junior Member
 
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Quote:
Originally Posted by ars89 View Post
Maybe they're a secret organization with the federation.
They sound more like a separatist group. A secret organization wouldn't draw attention to themselves in public.

I'd laugh and possibly cry at the same time if they have a philosophy that thinks others are "weighed down by gravity" or something like that. (Please don't let that happen.)
monster is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2011-11-06, 17:36   Link #52
Sides
Senior Member
 
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Edinburgh
Age: 32
Quote:
Originally Posted by ars89 View Post
So Desil pulled and awesome gundamjack. 6 yrs old? Youngest ever ace.
He is seven, http://www.gundam-age.net/character_4.html
Sides is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2011-11-06, 17:56   Link #53
ReddyRedWolf
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Quote:
Originally Posted by monster View Post
They sound more like a separatist group. A secret organization wouldn't draw attention to themselves in public.

I'd laugh and possibly cry at the same time if they have a philosophy that thinks others are "weighed down by gravity" or something like that. (Please don't let that happen.)
It seems as though the whole Earther-Colonist conflict is over and in the past. Eden could be some remnant of a past faction.

Though Fardain could be a nice setup to begin with the World Building as it said to be one of the oldest colonies.

What we do know is that there is graft and corruption in the Fed military and they are out of practice.

You just know they are out of practice with their foremost ace is a MS equivalent of a Macross Valkyrie racer.

Which I surmise the games are gladiatorial in nature.
ReddyRedWolf is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2011-11-06, 17:57   Link #54
GN0010 Nosferatu
Burning Red!
 
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Hargenteen
Age: 25
Not a bad episode. Althought it did add more mystery it was a bit boring. Not much action, that's the type of Gundam fan I am though. I hate down time, I love action action action. Overall I give the episode a 7.
GN0010 Nosferatu is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2011-11-06, 18:02   Link #55
KNIGHTMAREGUNDAM
Senior Member
 
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Guaynabo, Puerto Rico
Quote:
Originally Posted by GN0010 Nosferatu View Post
Not a bad episode. Althought it did add more mystery it was a bit boring. Not much action, that's the type of Gundam fan I am though. I hate down time, I love action action action. Overall I give the episode a 7.
Well that action scene in the end was sweet. By far the best of the whole show.

'Specially how he used Flit as a spinboard. Another homage to original Gundam.
KNIGHTMAREGUNDAM is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2011-11-06, 18:07   Link #56
monster
Junior Member
 
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Quote:
Originally Posted by ReddyRedWolf View Post
It seems as though the whole Earther-Colonist conflict is over and in the past. Eden could be some remnant of a past faction.
That's certainly possible, although I'm not saying that this is necessarily an Earth vs colony situation.
Quote:
You just know they are out of practice with their foremost ace is a MS equivalent of a Macross Valkyrie racer.

Which I surmise the games are gladiatorial in nature.
Is Woolf really their foremost ace? I just thought that the only reason him being an ace is noteworthy is due to the fact that he was already a celebrity before joining the military.
monster is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2011-11-06, 18:13   Link #57
KNIGHTMAREGUNDAM
Senior Member
 
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Guaynabo, Puerto Rico
[QUOTE=monster;3845537]That's certainly possible, although I'm not saying that this is necessarily an Earth vs colony situation.[QUOTE]

Officially the issues between Earth and the space colonies is over (in my opinion that issue is stupid in the first place), however as we saw in the first episode and what Grodek said about the Federation being rotten and what we saw in the preview of episode 6 with the whole underground city inside the colony. Its not hard to imagine that there is still some animosity with the Earth and colonies inside the government.
KNIGHTMAREGUNDAM is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2011-11-06, 18:35   Link #58
monster
Junior Member
 
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Quote:
Originally Posted by KNIGHTMAREGUNDAM View Post
Officially the issues between Earth and the space colonies is over (in my opinion that issue is stupid in the first place), however as we saw in the first episode and what Grodek said about the Federation being rotten and what we saw in the preview of episode 6 with the whole underground city inside the colony. Its not hard to imagine that there is still some animosity with the Earth and colonies inside the government.
This makes me realize that, after five episodes, I still don't know the situation in AGE. Maybe I missed it somewhere when they mentioned it but is the Federation controlling everything or do the colonies have separate government(s)?
monster is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2011-11-06, 18:50   Link #59
KNIGHTMAREGUNDAM
Senior Member
 
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Guaynabo, Puerto Rico
Quote:
Originally Posted by monster View Post
This makes me realize that, after five episodes, I still don't know the situation in AGE. Maybe I missed it somewhere when they mentioned it but is the Federation controlling everything or do the colonies have separate government(s)?
We really don't know how the government runs thing, Still way to early in the show to tell us.

The only thing we do know is what they say in the introduction on every episode, that short summary which only tells us that war between each other -Earth and space- are over.

Honestly I wonder what would have happen if the UE never showed up.
KNIGHTMAREGUNDAM is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2011-11-06, 19:23   Link #60
Dark Wing
Senior Member
 
 
Join Date: May 2007
Age: 28
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaioshin Sama View Post
Wow a lot more going on this episode compared to last. We've got Grodek finally coming clean to Emily of all people as to why he stole the ship and so far it's kind of looking like he was justified. The Federation has come across as really corrupt and incompetent and like it's only looking out for it's own interests, much like the Federation of the U.C timeline. So corrupt is the Federation here yet again that it actually gives Grodek an out with the Federation officer that came to arrest him. Clearly Grodek's methods are the lesser of evils and the greater chance for survival....so far at least. He's also convinced that he has a winning strategy to defeat the UE in one fell swoop, but odds are that doesn't work out. Still he's doing a better job than I think Fonroid would have done so far given his attitude and I think if Fonroid had been in charge everybody would have probably been dead by now.

Emily again is finding herself further and further alienated from people and I can understand where she's coming from a bit with trying to get Flit out of piloting the Gundam, but I think she just needs to have a heart to heart with him instead of trying to beat around the bush by talking to everyone else. Woolf continues to be great in his budding bromance with Flit and kind of goaded him into committing a little more to piloting the Gundam. I think Woolf is officially sempai at this point which unfortunately qualifies him for not making it through this show, but we'll see how that goes.

The other big event this episode was obviously the arrival at Fardain and introduction of Desiel, who I can see being the focal point for resurgent bitching about the show being kiddy (in other words I predict people HATE this character), however I find the kid just plain creepy and not very human more than anything. He seems to be related somehow to Yurin (similar name, similar powers, both appearing in the opening around the same time), only much more vaguely evil and dangerous. With all of this talk by the mysterious masked man at the end of the episode about an Eden project of some kind and his apparent giftedness at piloting mobile suits I can't help but wonder if he and Yurin haven't been bread for some kind of shady extended human project. Does Eden relate to anything that the UE are doing? Does the masked man have anything to do with the UE or are they opposed to them in some way? The plot really thickens with the introduction of this mysterious faction.

In any case next time it looks like they're going to the ghetto's of Fardain where thing will probably get a little more layered in this arc. Pretty interesting start to the arc though if you aren't immediately bothered by the new cast introductions.
Everything Kaioshin Sama just said...

I can't really explain it but I'm liking this series especially this conspiracy with the Federation. Government corruption stories are always fun to watch.
__________________
Dark Wing is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
weekly episode discussion

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 15:54.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
We use Silk.