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View Poll Results: Critique of Episode 04
10: Amazing... 33 37.50%
9 out of 10: Excellent... 23 26.14%
8 out of 10: Very Good... 17 19.32%
7 out of 10: Good... 10 11.36%
6 out of 10: Average... 1 1.14%
5 out of 10: Below Average... 4 4.55%
4 out of 10: Poor... 0 0%
3 out of 10: Bad... 0 0%
2 out of 10: Very Bad... 0 0%
1 out of 10: Torturous... 0 0%
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Old 2011-11-15, 13:46   Link #61
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Pure, awesome mecha porn there is no other way I can describe it.

Also I had to lol at Riddhe turning into a cynical asshole, although he really was cool at the end when he used the Delta Plus to grab Unicorn's beam rifle and shoot at the Shamblo.
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Old 2011-11-15, 14:11   Link #62
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the pilot is Unknown.

People want it to be Kou Uraki though, since he was stationed at the torrington base.

No official name has been given though
Did they ever say who was the Stark Jegan pilot in episode 1? The pilot performed pretty okay against Marida.
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Old 2011-11-15, 14:29   Link #63
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Did they ever say who was the Stark Jegan pilot in episode 1? The pilot performed pretty okay against Marida.
dont remember if they ever mentioned his name, apparently he fought during CCA though
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Old 2011-11-15, 16:21   Link #64
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oh, i'm not saying Zeon is good in any way.

what i'm trying to say is that the EF provoked the colonies to retaliate with the way they handled politics, etc (see CCA) from Earth.

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Just because you create something doesn't give you the right to abuse it and treat it like garbage.

see SGA: Replicators and Alterans/Ancients

who are to be blamed, the provokers or the provoked?
WOW! Politicians are corrupt and arrogant?! No way! What world is this?

"Hey fellow spacenoids, we are fighting for your freedom and independence from the evil Federation. So we're gonna kill you, your family and friends with poison gas so we can drop your colony on the evil Earthnoids! sieg zeon! "
From a logical standpoint, any democracy, regardless of corruption within the government, is infinitely better than any dictatorship, specially one that loosely resembles national socialist ideals.
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Old 2011-11-15, 17:49   Link #65
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WOW! Politicians are corrupt and arrogant?! No way! What world is this?

"Hey fellow spacenoids, we are fighting for your freedom and independence from the evil Federation. So we're gonna kill you, your family and friends with poison gas so we can drop your colony on the evil Earthnoids! sieg zeon! "
From a logical standpoint, any democracy, regardless of corruption within the government, is infinitely better than any dictatorship, specially one that loosely resembles national socialist ideals.
Take a chill pill.

as i explained in the previous post, Zeon got as much support as it did because of the way the EF leadership acted towards spacenoids.

If the EF had given independence to the colonies, Zeon wouldnt have gotten as much support as it did, and the entire OYW and the followings Zeon uprisings could've most likely been avoided.
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Old 2011-11-15, 17:57   Link #66
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They want to attain legitimate independence, one respected by the Federation and acknowledging the freedom and suffrage of Spacenoids. Seceding doesn't rule out the possibility that the Federation would attack them, which was precisely what happened when they declared independence unilaterally under Zeon Deikun.
Yeah like someone said this is not what happened. The Feds merely placed economic and material sanction on Side 3. It wasn't until Deikun got assassinated by the Degwin Sodo Zabi that the Zabi family took over, converted the Republic of Zeon into the Principality of Zeon did Zeon declared full war on the Federation which led to the One Week War (where Zeon dropped colonies on the Earth etc).

Principality of Zeon in the UC universe had and always will be the symbol of pure twisted evil ideology (as if the whole based on Nazi thing didn't give it away already), pity the side stories always goes out of their way to make them look good and revise the history.
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Old 2011-11-15, 18:50   Link #67
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Whois the pilot of the Byalant Custom? He or she just earned the Unicorn.
It was this guy.

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Old 2011-11-15, 19:06   Link #68
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Old 2011-11-15, 19:32   Link #69
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Many of you guys said that you felt the episode was too rushed - for those of us who didn't get to read the novels, what do you think should have been included in the episode, then?
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Old 2011-11-15, 19:49   Link #70
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Take a chill pill.

as i explained in the previous post, Zeon got as much support as it did because of the way the EF leadership acted towards spacenoids.

If the EF had given independence to the colonies, Zeon wouldnt have gotten as much support as it did, and the entire OYW and the followings Zeon uprisings could've most likely been avoided.
Actually for the record Side 3 was ALREADY independent and maintained it for awhile even after the One Year War.

The Republic of Zeon engaged in several diplomatic and economic back and forths with the Federation which was trying to get the Republic to return to the Earth Sphere.

It was only when Degwin took control that it turned it into the Principality of Zeon and then moved towards all out war with the Federation.

It was only at the end of the second Neo Zeon war that Zeon returned to the Earth Sphere.
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Old 2011-11-15, 20:04   Link #71
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Most governments throughout history haven't allowed open secession without a fight. If you can secede for any reason, you have no government, just anarchy.

Of course, that's too simple. I'm not saying secession is illegitimate, but as Nationalist movements, Zeon and Neo-Zeon movements have been pretty barbaric in their secession efforts with the whole colony drop and other efforts.

I think I'm just over-thinting this. This franchise has probably just degenerated into mecha battles and shock value with no reasoning behind the actors in the various wars. It has just become a cash cow.
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Old 2011-11-16, 00:19   Link #72
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Seconds before the Shamblo was finally knocked out, it fired the mega particle gun at the Unicorn and Delta Plus. If the Shamblo was under a psycommu runaway during the Torrington attack, who was in control of the reflector bits (which BLOCKED the mega particle blast) at that moment of firing? Loni or Banagher?
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Old 2011-11-16, 00:34   Link #73
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Seconds before the Shamblo was finally knocked out, it fired the mega particle gun at the Unicorn and Delta Plus. If the Shamblo was under a psycommu runaway during the Torrington attack, who was in control of the reflector bits (which BLOCKED the mega particle blast) at that moment of firing? Loni or Banagher?
Do the reflector bits require a newtype to use? Or are they automatic?
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Old 2011-11-16, 01:49   Link #74
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"Don't end up like me"

And the theme continues. Those that fight, carrying the war of hatred because they feel like that's all they're defined. The last part was made to be a tragic end, and they milked it for what its worth. Well done. They really and utterly cracked Banagher so bad. That one brief second of hope was destroyed and overcome by reality. Sometimes a heartfelt speech and the encouragement of the souls of others can't even help but scratch the surface of what's going on-- something that's been rolling on for so many years, and claimed so many lives.

Holy crap I love the ED song; it suits the mood perfectly.

Well, I guess there was a lot of dialogue and info, and not as "actiony" as the last 2 OVAs, but I think it was worth it. Banagher is someone that quite literally fights for what he believes in to the very end. Regardless, this was an overwhelmingly strong performance again and of course the damned thing looks as spectacular as always. 9/10
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Old 2011-11-16, 03:42   Link #75
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It was this guy.
... Is that Yuu Kajima?

I think it's likely another nameless veteran though. But hey, old hands can dream.
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Old 2011-11-16, 04:33   Link #76
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Actually for the record Side 3 was ALREADY independent and maintained it for awhile even after the One Year War.

The Republic of Zeon engaged in several diplomatic and economic back and forths with the Federation which was trying to get the Republic to return to the Earth Sphere.

It was only when Degwin took control that it turned it into the Principality of Zeon and then moved towards all out war with the Federation.

It was only at the end of the second Neo Zeon war that Zeon returned to the Earth Sphere.
oh, fully aware of that, what i was trying to say was that Zeon obtained alot of spacenoid support because well, thats the way the entire story was .. set up. lol.

the EF's politics, how they treated spacenoids, etc.

once again, i'm not saying the Principality of Zeon is justified in any way, it was there and it acted, although in a very, very bad way
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Old 2011-11-16, 05:35   Link #77
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Death to those whose soul is held down by gravity, of course.
Char has not changed.



No, that is not what happened. Zeon was always the aggressor against the relatively passive EF.
From your point of view, yes. From mine, no. There is no said aggressor or what not in war.

And that's not even Char, he's a "Char". So maybe Char would have chosen some other way to fight the federation. Maybe he wouldn't even have bothered with the box, knowing so well that a box won't matter to a bunch of feddies even if all the space colonies rebel.
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Old 2011-11-16, 05:52   Link #78
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Do the reflector bits require a newtype to use? Or are they automatic?
More or less a Newtype-class. Remember, Unicorn has a bit/funnel capture capability.
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Old 2011-11-16, 06:04   Link #79
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I enjoyed this episode. It's not as good as the previous 3, but still was very awesome! Can't get the ED music out of my head o.o
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Old 2011-11-16, 10:39   Link #80
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I enjoy this episode even if the first three are better. Now time to suffer from another 6 months of despair [OMFG WHY WHY IS IN MAY DAM IT]
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