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Old 2011-11-17, 23:14   Link #2361
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Very awesome episode Shu finely found his resolve
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Old 2011-11-17, 23:31   Link #2362
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As I mentioned in an earlier post, it was strange how Gai survived the Leukocyte firing at the beginning of the episode when everyone else died. He only had a slight arm injury. It lead me to believe that he either has some power or trick up his sleeve, which, if the Leukocyte fired at the end of the episode, he would have survived it as well. Hence, I still don't trust Gai.
The problem there is who was Gai trying to trick there? No one except the viewers were around unless you want to say Gai was for some bizarre reason lying to trick people he doesn't know exist. I don't really trust Gai, but in that situation I'll give him some slack.

If someone was there I'd be willing to buy it. Even if he has some kind of ability (besides the one that lets him know what everyone's void is) it doesn't mean he can constantly spam it. Plus the last shot was just in that area and not directly sniping right at him. Should be easier regardless of whether he has some ability or not to avoid a shot in that general area rather than one coming right at you.
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Old 2011-11-17, 23:47   Link #2363
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The problem there is who was Gai trying to trick there? No one except the viewers were around unless you want to say Gai was for some bizarre reason lying to trick people he doesn't know exist. I don't really trust Gai, but in that situation I'll give him some slack.

If someone was there I'd be willing to buy it. Even if he has some kind of ability (besides the one that lets him know what everyone's void is) it doesn't mean he can constantly spam it. Plus the last shot was just in that area and not directly sniping right at him. Should be easier regardless of whether he has some ability or not to avoid a shot in that general area rather than one coming right at you.
I can give you that. It is just so unlikely that Gai survived in the beginning without something up his sleeve. After rewatching the end scene, it seemed like Gai really was prepared to die; however, if the Leukocyte fired there, the whole base would have blown up with the rest of the Undertakers. So they raised his death flag twice already. One of these days, he will go out with a bang.

Also, eyecatch at the end of the episode has Shu laying his head on top of Tsugumi. I am so jealous.
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Old 2011-11-17, 23:55   Link #2364
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I can give you that. It is just so unlikely that Gai survived in the beginning without something up his sleeve. After rewatching the end scene, it seemed like Gai really was prepared to die; however, if the Leukocyte fired there, the whole base would have blown up with the rest of the Undertakers. So they raised his death flag twice already. One of these days, he will go out with a bang.

Also, eyecatch at the end of the episode has Shu laying his head on top of Tsugumi. I am so jealous.
I do agree it was hard to believe that 'only' Gai survived. Of course depending on the shot location possible he survived without help. Fired closer to the water with the kid closer than him to the blast location he might have just far enough. With this series it's almost possible. Still do think it's also possible he had some kind of trick to survive that.

I guess the thinking was that the satellite they were shooting at would take enough of the impact so that few others would end up getting killed. He certainly seemed surprise that Shu was there which would make you think he thought wherever Shu was it was far enough to be safe. Still do agree that he can't die in some mundane manner. It's got to be something fancy like a super laser!

Honestly I didn't even want to bring up that eyecatch at the end. Since all I could think of doing was slugging Shu in the face, that lucky.....
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Old 2011-11-18, 00:29   Link #2365
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I kinda like the anime, but I hate almost every single character. I don't even understand how they did it, there's IMO absolutely no characters who are loveable. All of them are socially awkward to the point of retardedness, total jerks, have serious issues, or just are one of the "bad" or "negative" achetypical characters. Even the protagonist is hard to like, I mean, yeah, he's socially awkward, but he doesn't make much sense. Sometimes, he's a spineless coward while other times he just charges in head first, he hates everybody he doesn't understand, and he believes all the wrong people. Shu seems more like an anti-hero than a protagonist to me.

I'm starting to think that I keep watching it because I don't fully understand it yet, and it just has this "feel" to it that I like, even when I hate all the characters. Will be interesting how things work out, I hope the main characters change a bit over the course of the anime, they all seem really stubborn and quite frankly, stupid.

But, that's just my opinion so far, it will probably change as I watch more episodes in the future.
This is just the latest post that bring this up, but I thought I should quote one to make the point. There seems to be some misunderstanding that social aptitude is somehow related to being brave in combat. Do you think that party girls that know the latest fashion and how to mingle will make for elite soldiers in a battle? Well, there might be some who would, but it's no more likely then the fat guy in the corner. Nor is bravery related to wanting to fight as only the stupid really wants to die.

So it isn't strange that Shu is socially awkward, reluctant to fight while brave when he actually ends up fighting as these things are not related.

It is also amazing how people seems to judge Inori as submissive only based on her appearance and soft voice. I guess it's an indoctrination that anime girls with spunk is supposed to yell or beat up the protagonists with regularity. This episode wasn't even the first time she showed that she could be a stone cold killer when needed. She also showed it the ONE time she actually did as Sho told her, after she took the time to consider it carefully if she should listen to him. My impression is that while she is socially awkward and speaks little so is she also fairly independent and does whatever she thinks is best.
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Old 2011-11-18, 00:35   Link #2366
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Still don't trust Gai. Kyo was still somewhat alive and he shot her like it was nothing. I understand mercy killing but something there didn't fit.


Also this from the OP. Totally the face of someone with :Guilt: >_>
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Old 2011-11-18, 00:48   Link #2367
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For the first time in 6 episodes Shu and Gai are finally on the same wavelength and all thanks to that goddess called Inori She looked so beautiful in those scenes under the rain.

This time the OP video had slight changes, the most significant one is the appearance of the other presence inside Inori, the pink haired girl from Shu's flashback in episode 1 (and that by itself was an early spoiler because she was featured later during the impressive void fusion scene and subsequent Leukocyte destruction).


Im quite happy because Shu is now firmly planted as a great MC, Gai became more likable and Inori is...well, still Inori (PERFECT).
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Old 2011-11-18, 00:52   Link #2368
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Im quite happy because Shu is now firmly planted as a great MC, Gai became more likable and Inori is...well, still Inori (PERFECT).
Are you serious bro?
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Old 2011-11-18, 00:55   Link #2369
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Interesting episode. As usual, Shu did something that pissed me off at the beginning of the ep, yet did something impressive to make up for it by the end. Hopefully he'll quit with the pissing me off part by next episode. Gai was impressive this episode. I don't know how much of the circumstances of his heart to heart with Shu were staged by him, but for some reason, I think his feelings were at least somewhat real. I look forward to seeing where this strange three person relationship will end up.

I'm becoming more and more interested in Shu's mom, though. Putting aside the fact that she seems awfully unconcerned about the fact that her son got arrested on charges of terrorism, she may be able to shed some light on things.
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Old 2011-11-18, 01:08   Link #2370
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I'm becoming more and more interested in Shu's mom, though. Putting aside the fact that she seems awfully unconcerned about the fact that her son got arrested on charges of terrorism, she may be able to shed some light on things.
I don't think she knows that her son was arrested. In one of the episode, the head researcher decided not to tell her about it. It is also convenient that she is a workaholic, so she does not go home often at all.

Of course, that distance from the mom could be part of Shu's social development problem. He might not have much family affection, hence he might be looking for it in Inori, someone he just met.
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Old 2011-11-18, 01:19   Link #2371
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I think that one of two possibilities is true about Gai, and I'm cool with either one:

1. Gai's confession was largely, if not entirely, for real. He is being deceitful on some matters, of course, but the pressure of leadership really is mounting on him and perhaps that's part of the reason why he's rushing through his missions a lot.

2. Gai has almost everybody fooled, and his confession was largely for show (though I do think that the cross necklace is an important keepsake for him in any event). Him and Segai are secretly allied with one another, and are playing both sides against each other in machiavellian fashion, with some sort of shared goal in mind. I'm somewhat suspicious here since Gai's meeting with Segai was remarkably cordial given that they're ostensibly on opposite sides of a major conflict.


Either way, Episode 6 was a good one for Gai, imo.
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Old 2011-11-18, 01:19   Link #2372
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Old 2011-11-18, 01:19   Link #2373
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Oh no you don't! Fool me once- shame on me.

It's like what Endscape said, somehow Shu always does something annoying to piss people off in the first half, but ends up doing something cool in the second half. And the cycle restarts every new episode. Basically every time you think he made progress, he reverts back.

Well I'm not falling for that again !
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Old 2011-11-18, 01:27   Link #2374
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Watching, and this episode has too many missed opportunities for Tsugumi ass.

I am disappoint.
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I'm curious as to what exactly Shu did in the first half to piss people off.


Was it objecting to a mission where the causality projections were one out of every three Funeral Parlor participants?

If that's it, I find it odd for faulting Shu for having moral objections with military missions likely to result in heavy casualties for both sides. Keep in mind that he has little more than the word of Gai and his Funeral Parlor allies (i.e. which is basically Gai by extension) to go on here, when it comes to the importance of this mission.


Was it him being quickly persuaded by Inori to change his mind?

Well, on the whole, Inori has been nicer to Shu than most/all of the other Funeral Parlor members. And I think he'd rather feel like he was simply going along with her than giving in to Gai and Funeral Parlor as a whole. Shu's relationship with Gai and Funeral Parlor as a whole is more strained than his relationship with Inori specifically, at least in Shu's eyes, I think.


Was it him exchanging blows with Gai?

Well, Gai did say something to him that I think most hot-blooded males in Shu's position would get pissed off by. In a weird way, I actually have more respect for Shu due to him exchanging blows with Gai. At least the kid isn't a coward, imo.
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I'm curious as to what exactly Shu did in the first half to piss people off.
I think it has something to do with the way Shu objected to the plans. When he voiced his objections, he did it in such a threatening/annoying tone that it felt like he was saying "I'm running away" rather than "I object to this". It's kind of like a pacifist who says he won't fight somebody, but says it in tone that sounds like he's egging the person on. One blogger I follow also hated the fact that Shu never did this to Inori, the one person who he should be objecting to. The only saving grace is that Shu pays for his actions. Unlike most people, I think the punch (temporarily) knocked out all dislikability.

Edit: Oh, by the way, I never got this part of the episode, but what exactly caused all the power to disappear in Tokyo? How does anything happening to the satellite affect power in any way?
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Old 2011-11-18, 01:46   Link #2377
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I don't think she knows that her son was arrested. In one of the episode, the head researcher decided not to tell her about it. It is also convenient that she is a workaholic, so she does not go home often at all.

Of course, that distance from the mom could be part of Shu's social development problem. He might not have much family affection, hence he might be looking for it in Inori, someone he just met.
The head researcher decided not to tell her? I must have forgotten that part. But still, it's not as if Shu getting arrested was a big secret. His classmates and teachers knew, didn't one of them say anything?
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I'm curious as to what exactly Shu did in the first half to piss people off.


Was it objecting to a mission where the causality projections were one out of every three Funeral Parlor participants?

If that's it, I find it odd for faulting Shu for having moral objections with military missions likely to result in heavy casualties for both sides. Keep in mind that he has little more than the word of Gai and his Funeral Parlor allies (i.e. which is basically Gai by extension) to go on here, when it comes to the importance of this mission.

This for me; it's basically an eye-roll-worthy moment.

If he doesn't like it that's fine because I'm sure nobody actually liked it, but nobody else was making a scene. They're not all doing this for fun of it, there's a time limit involve and alot more people could be at risk if they don't do anything, but he thinks it's something that he could just walk away? What was he going to accomplish with that?

The main reason wasn't because of the death toll, it was because he doesn't want to take responsibility of that.

Oh, and the importance of this mission seem to be very clear cut judging from the size of that crater.
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I think it has something to do with the way Shu objected to the plans. When he voiced his objections, he did it in such a threatening/annoying tone that it felt like he was saying "I'm running away" rather than "I object to this". It's kind of like a pacifist who says he won't fight somebody, but says it in tone that sounds like he's egging the person on. One blogger I follow also hated the fact that Shu never did this to Inori, the one person who he should be objecting to. The only saving grace is that Shu pays for his actions. Unlike most people, I think the punch (temporarily) knocked out all dislikability.
I see. I can kind of get that.

There was a vaguely taunting tone of voice to what Shu said to Gai. I was simply pleased to see him actually show the backbone necessary to stand up to Gai in front of loads of Funeral Parlor members, but I will admit that the way he said what he said to Gai could have been better, yeah.


Still, I do think that Episode 6 was a real step forward for Shu overall. He's still socially clumsy, admittedly, but at least he's starting to have some sort of real presence when he's on-screen.

I never hated Shu as much as many did, but I will admit that even to me he often came across as simply being there; lacking presence compared to the rest of the protagonist cast. That wasn't the case in Episode 6, imo, and I was glad to see that.
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Wow. They reached a new level of awfulness for me in this episode.

Really, I don't want to take this show that seriously but it constantly tries to make it look all serious.

I mean how in the world do they expect me to look at that scene with Gai seriously when he somehow survives something like an atomic bomb going off in his vicinity and then precedes to have a sentimental scene with somebody when we barely know anything about Gai other than him possibly being more rigged than the Suzaku spin kick (Did he seriously defeat a mecha by himself???).

I want to embrace the over the topness, but the setting and the characterization make it impossible.

I was seriously loling at Daryl Van going into bulging eye mode this episode. I don't know what to even say anymore .

I did have to stop myself and ask half way into this episode though what the hell is this plot even about. Like I didn't understand why they broke into that facility. I'm guessing they wanted to destroy that satellite? What the hell where they trying to do in that room?

Oh and now apparently Shu can shoot giant beams into the sky that destroy things in outer space. Is there anything they can do that can top that then? Because if I know Yoshino as a writer, the answer is definitely yes . I'm kinda scared of the prospect...

This post is all over the place, I know, but this episode is even more all over the place just like Shu's character who I can't tell at all how he is moving in this plot other than the fact that he keeps bouncing from side to side letting the plot guide his actions as a character rather than any known characterization.

I dunno. To top it off, Inori once again used her sex appeal to make Shu get a hard on for her and get over his strange angst (I don't get what the guy is even complaining about anymore, if I even did in the first place) in some sort of scene with Gai. She did her title as a SFSD (super flying sex doll) proud this episode, especially with the two guns and shooting people.

Here's my arbitrary metric for the episode: 3/10. Terrible. I don't if I can even stomach this anymore, despite wanting to see how much of a disaster this show will turn away. Something so terrible to me that I just can't pull my eyes away from its grotesqueness. Yeah, so bad its good? I dunno. Maybe if I didn't have expectations for it in the first place...
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