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Old 2011-11-23, 09:18   Link #61
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errr... so what's wrong with being observed by Ukitake??? except if Ukitake has an evil plan, then it won't be a big problem..
invasion of privacy is always an issue...I'm pretty sure you wouldn't like it if you found out the government was watching you everywhere.
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Old 2011-11-23, 09:23   Link #62
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Well, there is a possibility that Ginjou might be telling the truth, since Soul Society has proven several times already that they practice Gray Morality and might be interested in creating hybrids in the future. But what makes believing Ginjou difficult is how Tsukishima's Book of the End confused us about Ginjou's personality.

EDIT: Just read the chapter, and they sly look on Ginjou's face does seem like he's actually accepted being "conned by the most peaceful man on Soul Society", which affects his credibility, actually.
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Old 2011-11-23, 09:33   Link #63
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invasion of privacy is always an issue...I'm pretty sure you wouldn't like it if you found out the government was watching you everywhere.
If I was so strong that I nearly overtook the government once I'd consider it an honor.
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Old 2011-11-23, 09:38   Link #64
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so he's being watched. so they kept secrets from him. big deal! where's the evil in that? so okay, it's kinda illegal maybe immoral and annoying at least. but it's not like ukitake plotted to kill him or his family in case he tries to betray soul society. obviously isshin knows about this and has kept it a secret from ichigo as well. why would a father conspire to keep something from his son if he knew it would bring him harm? that was the big reveal?! not much of a reveal to me.

i hate it that kubo tried to infuse some suspense and drama into this chapter by making it seem like ichigo would lose his resolve again and go berserk because he was duped. besides, ichigo has been duped by far more evil people than that. kon used to dupe him all the time! where the heck is that little perv anyway? i miss that little dude.
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Old 2011-11-23, 09:51   Link #65
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^ What if Ichigo is just one big experiment?
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Old 2011-11-23, 11:06   Link #66
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^ What if Ichigo is just one big experiment?
well then the bad guy wouldn't be ukitake now, would it? who has the resources and the capability to do such an experiment? urahara. and if he is, then why would ginjou blame poor ukitake? he could have went ahead and said that urahara was the one responsible for it all and he conspired with ukitake and isshin. but from the look on isshin and urahara's faces they don't seem very afraid about ichigo finding out the truth. it's like they meant to tell him the "secret" anyway. if i'm not mistaken, isshin even tried to talk to ichigo about this secret but ichigo refused to do it. it's actually one of the things that really bothered me. how do you survive for two years without asking your father who the hell he is after finding out that he kept the fact that he's a shinigami a secret from you? didn't make much sense to me.
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Old 2011-11-23, 11:58   Link #67
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Ishida: They be watching you Ichigo? Big Deal?
Ginjou: You forget Ishida? Mayuri be watching you !!
Ishida: The real enemy is Mayuri !!
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Old 2011-11-23, 12:49   Link #68
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Mayuri is watching even Ishida's metabolism, but hey it's no coincidence they are called SS - Schutzstaffe, I meant Soul Society
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Old 2011-11-23, 12:50   Link #69
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im going to be REALLY mad if they use ''HIM'' as the new villain!!!
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Old 2011-11-23, 13:02   Link #70
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Mayuri is watching even Ishida's metabolism, but hey it's no coincidence they are called SS - Schutzstaffe, I meant Soul Society
Lol. Well at least Mayuri is simply watching Ishida via the bacteria rather than controlling his reiatsu (Though if he can control those bacteria and those bacteria can be pathogenic...). Still...it's rather silly how that was played for laughs and yet this is played for drama.
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Old 2011-11-23, 13:41   Link #71
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You guys keep saying "oh, its not such a bad thing to secretly watch Ichi" but, you are missing GINJOU'S point. According to what Gin said they not only what to observe them but, control them, use them as a pawn and then kill them when/if they become useless. If this is all true then it IS a bad thing and SS IS evil and they are wrong for doing what they are doing.
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Old 2011-11-23, 13:45   Link #72
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He said kill them if they rebel, not when they become useless and that's something that's reasonable to a degree.

Having something that controls their reiatsu is also reasonable to a degree as well.
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Old 2011-11-23, 13:50   Link #73
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You guys keep saying "oh, its not such a bad thing to secretly watch Ichi" but, you are missing GINJOU'S point. According to what Gin said they not only what to observe them but, control them, use them as a pawn and then kill them when/if they become useless. If this is all true then it IS a bad thing and SS IS evil and they are wrong for doing what they are doing.
Ginjou was the first substitute shini...I guess he became useless...but he ain't dead...
And Ichigo became useless after the Aizen fight...he didn't have any assassination attempt of any sort... so...
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Old 2011-11-23, 14:12   Link #74
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I apologize I meant rebel not useless. In any case go back and read pages 17 and 18. Like I stated before IF what Gin said is in fact true (I tend to think it is according to Urahara on pages 4,5) then it is a very bad thing what SS is doing. Using anyone as a pawn as if their life is a game is bad and borderline evil. Tell me, if you found out someone was spying on you, trying to controll you and use you as they see fit would you not be upset?! REBEL even?! @SeanQ I will find the chapter but, I think Capt Hitsuguya said that Gin had disappeared thats why he aint dead yet.
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Old 2011-11-23, 14:20   Link #75
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Ginjou was the first substitute shini...I guess he became useless...but he ain't dead...
And Ichigo became useless after the Aizen fight...he didn't have any assassination attempt of any sort... so...
Exactly. The captains, lieutenants and some seated officers of SS actually went out of their way to give him his powers back instead of writing him off as useless. They would "control" him by making sure he isn't working against them (like Aizen). He does ignore them, he disobeyed Yamamoto for instance when he went after Ori and they didn't punish him for that. He lost his shinigami powers after fighting Aizen and became useless yet nothing happened to him.

Ginjou's manipulation doesn't really serve a purpose other than saying that his friends have been keeping secrets behind his back. Which yeah, is annoying, but isn't the shocking revelation that he makes it out to be.
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Old 2011-11-23, 14:29   Link #76
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I apologize I meant rebel not useless. In any case go back and read pages 17 and 18. Like I stated before IF what Gin said is in fact true (I tend to think it is according to Urahara on pages 4,5) then it is a very bad thing what SS is doing. Using anyone as a pawn as if their life is a game is bad and borderline evil. Tell me, if you found out someone was spying on you, trying to controll you and use you as they see fit would you not be upset?! REBEL even?! @SeanQ I will find the chapter but, I think Capt Hitsuguya said that Gin had disappeared thats why he aint dead yet.
Wouldn't that qualify Urahara as being bad too? He used Rukia as a means to hide the Hogyoku, he used Ichigo and co. to prevent Aizen from getting his hands on it, Yoruichi kept an eye on them for him. As far as I can see, he used them just as much as SS uses Ichi.
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Old 2011-11-23, 14:29   Link #77
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I apologize I meant rebel not useless. In any case go back and read pages 17 and 18. Like I stated before IF what Gin said is in fact true (I tend to think it is according to Urahara on pages 4,5) then it is a very bad thing what SS is doing. Using anyone as a pawn as if their life is a game is bad and borderline evil. Tell me, if you found out someone was spying on you, trying to controll you and use you as they see fit would you not be upset?! REBEL even?! @SeanQ I will find the chapter but, I think Capt Hitsuguya said that Gin had disappeared thats why he aint dead yet.
The part about them being used as SS's pawns seemed more like it was Ginjou's feelings on the matter bleeding into it rather than a real fact, so until we hear it from the horse's mouth I'm going to go ahead and say that them being little more than pawns was just how Ginjou perceived the situation. And if you take that part out, them being monitored is perfectly reasonable, though that's not to say that Ichigo should just take it in stride either. I know personally that, no matter how much logic was thrown at me, I'd be mad if I learned people were spying on me. That doesn't make the act itself bad though.
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Old 2011-11-23, 14:39   Link #78
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I apologize I meant rebel not useless. In any case go back and read pages 17 and 18. Like I stated before IF what Gin said is in fact true (I tend to think it is according to Urahara on pages 4,5) then it is a very bad thing what SS is doing. Using anyone as a pawn as if their life is a game is bad and borderline evil. Tell me, if you found out someone was spying on you, trying to controll you and use you as they see fit would you not be upset?! REBEL even?! @SeanQ I will find the chapter but, I think Capt Hitsuguya said that Gin had disappeared thats why he aint dead yet.
But all we really know is that the badge controls his reiatsu (And we can't even be sure of that). Ginjou says it's used to control him and use him as they see fit. Fair enough that's bad, but the big problem here is the blatantly obvious cracks in his arguments. No sane person would give Ginjou's accusations any real merit until they first heard Ukitake/Soul Society's side of the story. And yet here it's being played for drama with Ishida all worried about what it might mean and everything.
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Old 2011-11-23, 15:16   Link #79
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So does anybody think Rukia borrowed this monitoring mechanism to watch Ichigo whip the dolphin?
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Old 2011-11-23, 15:29   Link #80
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Well now THIS is interesting.

Ginjou may be lying or even exaggerating but either way, a nice little bombshell.

Although I don't think it's too big a deal that a sub shinigami would be under SOME kind of restrictions. You can't just give the things out all willy nilly. Maybe Ichigo knows that and still trusts the men (and women) he fought with and wants to waste Ginjo anyway.
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