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Old 2011-11-24, 17:13   Link #41
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About the animated JL fights well, while it's true that Subaru might have more physical power than the Flash this is only situational, remember that Wally can accelerate the mass of his body to ludicrous levels generating humongous kinetic force in his punches(that's how he alone Curbstompped Brainthor after all xD!).
I always got the impression that the speedblitz he used against Luthoriac was a desperation attack. Doesn't he say something like "I can never go that fast again"?

Apart from fight scenarios, how would the Justice League and RF6 interact?
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Old 2011-11-24, 17:17   Link #42
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Marvel and DC characters are inherently broken at their extremes. Fortunately, their strengths vary per author, so if you want to crossover with those I highly suggest using their milder versions.
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Old 2011-11-24, 17:58   Link #43
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Yup, Justice League Unlimited do a pretty decent job with DC's most iconic heroes by balancing their powers and still remaining fatihfull to their talents and tratis that make them popular in first place(the first series also do a decent job but sometimes they demoted the heroes a bit too much, glaringly obvious with Superman and The Flash who are too weak and too naive respectively).

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I always got the impression that the speedblitz he used against Luthoriac was a desperation attack. Doesn't he say something like "I can never go that fast again"?
Yup, it was an ultimate one-time finishing move whose repeated use will endanger his life(like Nanoha's Blaster-3 Starlight Braker x5). Still the Flash is able to pull off incredibly dangerous stuff without reaching those limits, he can vibratte his muscles to the point that his fingers become deadly construction drills, Flash is at great disadvantage against flying oponents but is pretty good on the ground ...unless he allows his cockyness take away the best of him xDU.

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Apart from fight scenarios, how would the Justice League and RF6 interact?
Like two super teams would act xD!

At first they will fight a little over a misunderstanding, then both Superman and Nanoha will be all "we will solve this problem, stay away", the they realize that both teams will need the other to overcome the problems, Batman will become a good advisor to Teana as also getting along with Signum and Fate, I can totally see Vita getting along with Martian Manhunter and being snarky at Flash and Hawkgirl's scepticism about her being and adult little woman(followed probably by a Mythology Gag referencing "Baby Doll" from Batman: TAS). I think Green Lanter will be a bit sceptical about working with an Amazon Brigade as RF6 gaining the glares of Diana and Shayera.

Oh yeah, if Flash ever meets with Vice they will the best friends ever xD!
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Old 2011-11-24, 18:00   Link #44
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Marvel and DC characters are inherently broken at their extremes. Fortunately, their strengths vary per author, so if you want to crossover with those I highly suggest using their milder versions.
I agree. Most of them can easily defeat anyone from Nanohaverse. unless you can find a way to nerf them up or find a lot more decent and milder version, they'll be curbstomping anyone, even the "White Devil", before they can clear it up...
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Old 2011-11-24, 18:25   Link #45
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I thin Pretty Cure (any series) can make a good cross-over especially in a Vivid setting. We have lolis and jail baits, we alos have small cute animals and we also have magic especially those that shoot rainbow. All hat is left is tons of frills for barrier jackets, cheesey moves and random magical land.

Warhammer 40k with limitation can also be a good one. Possible situation that can exist for a cross-over:
1. Ahriman decided to raid Midchilda. We can see the battle between one against all, difference in battle experience and epic magic battle.
2. Nids reach Midchilda. See how will magic goes against the devourer of all.
3. Belka worlds return from the warp. Let the horror begins
4. Tau vs. TSAB
As long as there is no imperial guards, space marine and the emperor, everything will go well.
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Old 2011-11-24, 19:20   Link #46
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Why would the appearance of the Imperial Guards be detrimental to the story? I find Chronicle of the Imperial Wars, which has the Death Korps of Krieg stranded in Midchilda, to be enjoyable

No. 3 (Belka homeworld returns from the warp) is the most exciting. It reminds me of Chaos Rising

Any crossover with WH40K must first define the nature of magic in the story, though; Warhammer magic is considerably less pleasant than their Nanohaverse counterpart. For instance, would Bureau mages be as susceptible to demonic posession as psykers? Is Warp-based sorcery similar or mutually exclusive to linkercore-based magic?
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All this talk reminds me of the fic I had written, but never finished. A bizarre Naruto-Nanoha-Warhammer40k fic that never got past the first season. A shame, though. I still have the notes for when it gets past A's, the grimdark ramps up to hell.
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Old 2011-11-24, 19:43   Link #48
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A bit late but my PC crashes in the morning while i have just enough time to save the post i was attempting to write, an answr to Sunder the Gold xD

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The thing that people seem to be in a hurry to forget about Shakugan no Shana (and the very reason that I swore off the series by the second episode) is that whole nonsense with consuming the very foundation of a creature's existence, such that the universe forgets the person ever existed.

And yet something in the universe remembers well enough that an exact clone can be created and people still remember the person, what? The logical contradiction hurts my head.
That's because torches are created at the very moment a human being is consummed, apparently some rests are left which a Flame Haze can use to make the torch, Shana asks Alastor how much energy she must give to the creation of the torches probably indicating that is possible to make a bigger torch able to endure longer(which will also explains Johan and Pheles relationship before the creation of the Reiji Maigo). Magic in the Shanaverse is less technichal than in other verses but still has it's set of rules that most characters follow, Shana's powers are also a bit vague, we know she draws her flames from Alastor, a Godlike being, so i don't know if we can call it "linked mana" per se so, in theory, Shana must be able to bypass the Huckebein's Anti-Magic powers at least to the aspects refered to her flames, unrestricted spells seems to follow the classic magic structure with circles, runes and chants so probably it counts as a "linking" and thus being vulnerable to the Eclipse.

TSAB's tradition of scouting the dimensions in search of "Lost Logias" open a ton of possibilities to cross-over, Hougus in the Shanaverse can be described as Lost Logias itselves as all of those are unique objects with special effects, the Crimson Lords can be classified as extremely powerfull "magical" beings(some of them even matching the Book of Darkness in threat level), Flame Hazes themselves uses Hougus as their weapons most of the time, lacking the science to mass produce devices, the servants of the Crimson Lords must find/create their own weapons from very specific sources thus making those more limited but also more unique and attuned with their wielders(i'm pretty sure that in thelong run the Flame Haze Army will curbstomp the Red Shirts of the TSAB).

As a final note, the Flame Hazes aren't wild cards as they have their own organization called "The Outlaw", it's a bit old-fashioned but manage to keep the Flame Hazes in check as also administrating their power around the globe.

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Worse is the empirical knowledge that Yuji isn't a human being with a real will, he's just a puppet pretending to be the Yuji that got erased from existence. On top of that, when he dies (which all beings eventually do) everyone is going to forget he existed.
That already happened but at the same time subverted, however, one must remember that Yuuji isn't an "ordinary" Torch, he posseses a Hougu inside his body that essentialy "refills" his flame at midnight, he acknowledge what you said about his eventual destiny, tough and it's the reason of his current actions and descicions.

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And Shana falls in love with that puppet despite knowing these things for a fact. That's tragic and not a little pathetic.
Yup, tragic indeed and the vehicle for most of the drama, to be fair she isn't instantly falls in love with the guy and when Yuuji supposedly "dies" the first time Shana already come up in terms with that and ready to go on until turns out that Yuuji's flame was refilled xDU.
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Old 2011-11-24, 20:09   Link #49
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Wonder what's the difference between the Nanoha and Fate rankings.... EX would probably be SS+...

or A++ Excalibur vs S Starlight Breaker

As for Archer vs Signum... it'll be UBW... or Archer vs Nanoha... and Archer will trace Leva-
Signum: MY WEAPON IS COPYRIGHT!
Archer: Then Raising H-
Nanoha: Copyrighted.
Archer: ......... THEN MACH CALI-
Subaru: Copyrighted.
Archer: FFFFFFFFFFFFF
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Old 2011-11-24, 20:36   Link #50
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Signum VS. Archer will be a pretty kickass fight as long as Archer did not cast his UBW pocket dimension. Archer can summon a myriad of swords and is a good swordsman with all of them but Signum's crippling overspecialization with Laevatein comes in handy against this because as long as Signum is holding her sword she will be ready to face any kind of fighter.

The problems for Signum will came when Archer is in his playfield where he's able to summon over thousands of blades as projectiles fron ANY direction AT THE SAME TIME! Just throw a barrage of Gae Bolg+Excalibur at Signum and she will be offed in an instant. The same goes for almost the rest of the Nanoha cast, Fate is the one with the bigger chances of surviving the ordeal.
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Old 2011-11-24, 20:57   Link #51
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To Aru Majutsu No Index x Nanohaverse

The TSAB discover the To Aru Majutsu No Index verse during the events of volume 4 after sensing the activation of the Angel Fall spell and then they send RF6 to investigate it
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Wonder what's the difference between the Nanoha and Fate rankings.... EX would probably be SS+...
No.

EX Rank means "This class of power is unmeasurable; effectively infinite."

There is no possible means of penetrating Avalon, and nothing short of Avalon can resist being utterly destroyed by Ea's attack... assuming you're putting enough power into it, rather than deliberately holding back like Gilgamesh did.

The only things that might qualify for EX Rank in the Nanohaverse are the Jewel Seeds and the Book of Darkness. And that would be a composite rank that measured their overall potency, rather than anything as specific as "defense" or "attack".

The Saint's Cradle would not qualify for an EX Rank in any category, nor as a composite whole.


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or A++ Excalibur vs S Starlight Breaker
Excalibur has the power to destroy a city like a nuclear bomb... But that's why it's labeled an Anti-Fortress attack. That's not why it's A++ Ranked.

The Nasuverse cosmology includes the concept of Mystery which works a bit like Priority in fighting games.

A creature who is inherently magical enough (as as a Servant) would be completely immune to a nuclear explosion, because such newfangled technology has no "mystery".

Excalibur's A++ mystery (as a sword made by nature spirits from the dreams of legends of all other magical swords) enhances its pure physical damaging power, so that the weapon's special magical attack can "interrupt" any force with less mystery.

Rin Tohsaka had gemstones containing elemental spells capable of destroying entire houses in one explosion. One of these spellstones was powerful enough to penetrate Berserker's protective blessing and blow his head clean off.

Against Saber's Magical Resistance, such a gemstone shattered and fizzled into nothing, with absolutely no effect.

Saber's A-Ranked Magical Resistance would make her completely immune to any attack or binding or decrease-type spell that the Nanohaverse could throw at her.

Berserker is immune to any damage below a certain threshold or level of mystery. He CAN be hurt and even killed by attacks of sufficient mystery so long as they can exceed that threshold of immunity...

But if, after dying, he is allowed enough time to regenerate after being killed, the attack or spell that killed him becomes completely useless against him. And he has 11 spare lives... that regenerate over time.


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As for Archer vs Signum
You know, I was going to talk about this, but I decided against it.

There are simply too many factors to take into consideration, such as terrain, time, motivation, weather, information, misinformation...

Suffice it to say that both of them are very real threats to each other.
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Wonder what's the difference between the Nanoha and Fate rankings.... EX would probably be SS+...

or A++ Excalibur vs S Starlight Breaker
EX in Type Moon means it's unquantifiable by the regular rules. This means it can be godly power (Gilgamesh's Ea, Saber's Avalon) or outright impossible except that person (Red Saber's Imperial Privilege)

A++ means it's to the level of Divine Spirits, of godly power. Starlight Breaker, while extraordinarily powerful, is not godlike.

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As for Archer vs Signum... it'll be UBW... or Archer vs Nanoha... and Archer will trace Leva-
Signum: MY WEAPON IS COPYRIGHT!
Archer: Then Raising H-
Nanoha: Copyrighted.
Archer: ......... THEN MACH CALI-
Subaru: Copyrighted.
Archer: FFFFFFFFFFFFF
I'm afraid I'll have to kill the humor, as Archer wouldn't give a damn about copyrights.

EDIT: Hah. This is what I get for leaving a tab open and forgetting about it.

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To Aru Majutsu No Index x Nanohaverse

The TSAB discover the To Aru Majutsu No Index verse during the events of volume 4 after sensing the activation of the Angel Fall spell and then they send RF6 to investigate it
The premise of RF6 investigating Academy City is wonky, since Academy City would already exist in Japan for many years and be known to be a strange place with strange people and stranger technology. The TSAB would've tried to investigate it long before anything like Angle Fall occurs, as there are a number of uniquely powerful people in the city worth checking out.
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Can he summon sentient weapons, though? It would be pretty pointless if he traced Raising Heart and just got a stick that doesn't do anything. Or worse, is also registered to Nanoha from the start.

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Why would the appearance of the Imperial Guards be detrimental to the story? I find Chronicle of the Imperial Wars, which has the Death Korps of Krieg stranded in Midchilda, to be enjoyable
The Death Korps pretty much create most of the conflict in the story, since from what I've heard most of the other branches aren't crazy enough to attack an entire planet without knowing anything about it and having no way off.
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I'd like to know what rank Starlight Breaker/Ragnarok/etc is in Fate's....

I'm sure they are anti-army... or anti-fortress.
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As for Archer vs Signum... it'll be UBW... or Archer vs Nanoha... and Archer will trace Leva-
Signum: MY WEAPON IS COPYRIGHT!
Archer: Then Raising H-
Nanoha: Copyrighted.
Archer: ......... THEN MACH CALI-
Subaru: Copyrighted.
Archer: FFFFFFFFFFFFF
IIRC he can't Trace electronics, let alone Devices, without frying his brains out.

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The Death Korps pretty much create most of the conflict in the story, since from what I've heard most of the other branches aren't crazy enough to attack an entire planet without knowing anything about it and having no way off.
Half of the story. The other half is the Orks, who's crazy enough to attack an entire planet just for the lulz
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Can he summon sentient weapons, though? It would be pretty pointless if he traced Raising Heart and just got a stick that doesn't do anything. Or worse, is also registered to Nanoha from the start.
Rather than summon a copy of something someone already has, like pulling out Graf Eisen, Archer would grab a sword that would be most effective against his target.

Besides, he wouldn't want to trace staves like Raising Heart, as his skill is with swords. He could, but it would require more magic. Also, even if it's still linked to Nanoha, Archer's Raising Heart is a projection of his own prana, so he can just dispel it.
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Can he summon sentient weapons, though? It would be pretty pointless if he traced Raising Heart and just got a stick that doesn't do anything. Or worse, is also registered to Nanoha from the start.
At the very least it will be another stick he will use as a projectile xD

On the To Aru Majutsu No Index topic, RF6 will have various obstacles but also some advantages as most espers, while powerfull, are one-trick ponnies so it's matter to catch on the trick to develop countermeasures. Of course, there will be times when that will be flat out impossible because some espers are insanely powerfull, Accelerator, for example, is ridiculously broken. Altough, i think the investigation will have more to do with the people in charge of the project than with the espers themselves.

Fate VS. Misaka xD!
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Can he summon sentient weapons, though? It would be pretty pointless if he traced Raising Heart and just got a stick that doesn't do anything. Or worse, is also registered to Nanoha from the start.
There are explicitly certain materials that Unlimited Blade Works cannot recreate, such as at least one elemental component of Ea.

I would imagine that "souls" are another such material. Which neatly keeps Archer from reproducing anything that is alive. Attempting to do so would produce an incomplete and (in this case) completely inoperable piece of junk.

Storage Devices are fair game, though.

Registration doesn't mean anything, though. Any copy Archer produces recognizes him as its master, even the famous Sword From The Stone that could only be drawn by the rightful king.

Archer could use S2U and Durandal just fine... well, Durandal apparently requires some proficiency with ice-magic, and magic is not included in the skills that a weapon can loan to Archer. So, he could only use a Device as well as anyone who doesn't know Nanohaverse magic.

Using a copy of Laevantein would allow him to mimic Signum's swords/whipsmanship, though. But that is just one facet of Signum's combat style, not including fire-magic, flight, agility and positioning, barrier jacket, barriers and shields...

Yeah, there's a reason that Archer doesn't try to fight people with copies of their own weapons. Namely, the fact that of course they're much better than him at fighting with their own weapons.

Archer is better off finding a weapon against which his opponent happens to be weak... weak enough that Archer is not endangered by his own lack of experience with the weapon, or by the lack of any of the secondary skills or abilities on which the original owner relied.

I mean, sure, using Berserker's giant-stone sword lets him hit as hard and fast as Berserker and even copy the Nine Lives attack for greater damage and speed... but Berserker fought with near-complete disregard for defense, since God Hand made him immune to most attacks.

Archer has no such defense, so the skills imbedded in the copy stone sword can put him in far too much danger.

It's also possible that copying the strength and speed of the original user is dependent on copying the skills, since all of these are being drawn from the weapon's memories.

If it's a package deal, Archer will not have the strength to even swing Berserker's sword without letting it act as though Berserker was the one using it... which means using it like a berserk madman who fights as though he is twelve feet tall and indestructible.


Kansho and Bakuya are the only weapons that Archer ever learned to fight with using his own skill; because he liked them, and because they fit his personal style and strengths.

Every other weapon he uses against people in Rock Paper Scissors fashion (fire sword against ice elemental, say) or as a disposable trick arrows (with tricks like "explode" or "keep trying to hit whomever I point at").
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At the very least it will be another stick he will use as a projectile xD

On the To Aru Majutsu No Index topic, RF6 will have various obstacles but also some advantages as most espers, while powerfull, are one-trick ponnies so it's matter to catch on the trick to develop countermeasures. Of course, there will be times when that will be flat out impossible because some espers are insanely powerfull, Accelerator, for example, is ridiculously broken. Altough, i think the investigation will have more to do with the people in charge of the project than with the espers themselves.

Fate VS. Misaka xD!

I was thinking could Touma cancel out a barrier jacket using Imagine Breaker
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