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Old 2011-11-27, 21:10   Link #121
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The hard part about doing crossovers is that people want to follow canon to *some* degree.
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It's not a bad thing to cover the base canon, but going scene for scene is bad.
These I agree. In the end there must be a semblance to canon, otherwise it wouldn't fell like the same setting. Which is why events that canonically happened with minimal influence from Saito should still happen, such as Albion's invasion on Tristain, King Joseph's political machination, Tabitha's tenure as a chevalier, and many others. But still, the outcome is not necessarily the same.

But as you said, going scene for scene would be bad. take the duel with Guiche for example. Half the reason the fight happened was because Saito was hot-headed enough to not let the matter go. But Yuuno isn't exactly someone rash, so his reaction might be different. And even if for some reason he accepted the challenge anyway, duels are forbidden between nobles, and since in Tristain control over magic makes you a noble, the fight might not end up happening after all.

If Yuuno follows the same exact steps as Saito, than he is less Yuuno Scrya and more Hiiraga Saito with Yuuno Scrya's powers.

Edit: I realized some of these points are already addressed one post before. I took too much time to write >.<
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Old 2011-11-27, 21:57   Link #122
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Edit: I realized some of these points are already addressed one post before. I took too much time to write >.<
They're still good points to make.


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If Yuuno follows the same exact steps as Saito, than he is less Yuuno Scrya and more Hiiraga Saito with Yuuno Scrya's powers.
And that would be bad, if only because half the point of substituting someone else for Saito, as I hear it, is to have someone else besides Saito.


But speaking of canonical love-interests, if anyone did write such a crossover, would anyone want to see Louise and Yuuno as a couple? Keeping in mind that they would be the same age.

I personally don't think it's necessary that Louise falls in love with her familiar or vice versa, and I'm not convinced that Louise and Yuuno have much compatibility with each other.

Heck, he might have more with Tabitha. Siesta too.

I also wonder if Kirche and Henrietta would be as interested in Yuuno as they were in Saito. While Yuuno has no lack of courage, he's a lot mousy-er than Saito.
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Old 2011-11-27, 21:58   Link #123
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Yeah, there's a crossover using Chrono but the author's insistence on sticking to canon requires Chrono to act OOC, which is why I couldn't stand it even with my usually high threshold for crap.

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Well, so long as whoever willing to write the story dares to make drastic changes, I guess. The current ZnT Crossover trend of "Get a character from another series and make him take the same paths as Saito, only more awesome!!!(duel with Guiche, mission to the prince, last stand at Albion, etc)" was overused IMO. Instead of having [Insert Character Here] take the same path as Saito, it's better to have them change the course of the story. Maybe even set the entire setting on fire
Well, if you've even a passing familiarity with Prototype, Unfamiliar does a good job of skewering the existing plot.
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Old 2011-11-27, 22:03   Link #124
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Yeah, there's a crossover using Chrono but the author's insistence on sticking to canon requires Chrono to act OOC, which is why I couldn't stand it even with my usually high threshold for crap.
I refused to read it because I ship ChronoAmy. ChronoHaremOfGirlsFromACompletelyDifferentSeries didn't sit well with me.

Also, I just didn't see anything interesting in the idea. Chrono doesn't offer the same dramatic or comedic possibilities that Yuuno does.

One of which being Yuuno's lack of conventional blasty firepower; Chrono can solve so many problems just with S2U, and more if he has Durandal.

Chrono also cannot pretend to be just a normal familiar until an appropriate moment, either.


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if you've even a passing familiarity with Prototype, Unfamiliar does a good job of skewering the existing plot.
Which is helped along by skewing the the existing backstory as well.

The least change of which is that the Zero jet fighter is replaced with a Black Watch helicopter.

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Old 2011-11-28, 05:00   Link #125
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Anyone ever seen Boukenger, by chance? Its one of the Super Sentai series, and the premise is a specially trained team working for an organization that have to locate and contain dangerous artifacts before they can be used for evil.

The possibilities are, I should think, obvious.
I really like the idea of teaming RF6 with a Super Sentai team from quite a while. Boukenger fits well due to it's "mystical treasure hunting" theme as also the various factions of villains. The other Sentai i think fits the most is Tokusou Sentai Dekaranger, they fit so well with the StrikerS era that is almost scary xD!

RF6: Set UP!
Dekaranger: Emergency, DEKARANGER!
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Old 2011-11-28, 06:28   Link #126
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What about Nanoha and Kamen Rider? Which one is most suitable for Nanoha cast?

IMO, Kabuto are suitable for Fate.
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Old 2011-11-28, 15:30   Link #127
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Touma is Den-O, obviously. Or Agito, I guess, if he had a third teammate with biological powers.
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Old 2011-11-28, 15:53   Link #128
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If we can tweak canon a bit, Hayate would make a perfect Den-O with her guardians.
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Old 2011-11-28, 18:33   Link #129
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Touma is Den-O, obviously. Or Agito, I guess, if he had a third teammate with biological powers.
I think Gills suits him, especially in Exceed Form.

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If we can tweak canon a bit, Hayate would make a perfect Den-O with her guardians.
So...

Hayate: Ryotaro
Wolkenritter: Momo Ura Kin Ryuu?
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Old 2011-11-28, 18:45   Link #130
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Exactly! Though only in function, since their personalities tend to be vastly different. The impulsive, action hungry Momotaros couldn't be further from the calm and collected Signum in personality.
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Old 2011-11-28, 19:42   Link #131
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Hayate also wouldn't be overshadowed by the whole cast, so not a perfect Ryotaro either.

...but that means either Shamal or Zafira is Urataros.
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Old 2011-11-28, 20:32   Link #132
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What about Subaru and the others?
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Old 2011-11-28, 20:57   Link #133
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Fourze, if we're going personality-wise.
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Old 2011-11-28, 22:20   Link #134
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as for Yuuno replacing Saito. Does any of Yuuno's spell count as a Void Spell?
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Old 2011-11-28, 22:27   Link #135
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as for Yuuno replacing Saito. Does any of Yuuno's spell count as a Void Spell?
Wait, Yuuno with the powers of a Gandalfr?

...talking about a Game Breaker xD!
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Old 2011-11-28, 23:05   Link #136
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First of all, the common elemental magics of Louise's world could be seen as wide-spread Elemental Conversion Affinties, with Void Magic being more analogous to regular Midchildan magic.

Explosion is a bombardment attack like Divine Buster, Dispel is a brief Anti-Magilink Wave, Illusion is like Teana's trick on steroids, etc.

So yeah, Yuuno would be kind of like a Void Magician, except much weaker, and with completely different specialties.


Second of all, if such a crossover is written, the lineages that got the Gandalfr would get the Windalfr instead, and vice-versa. Likewise, Derflinger would end up elsewhere and get picked up by the guy who turns out to the Gandalfr.

Thus, Yuuno would end up a the Right Hand / Sword of God who commands beasts. Because commanding woodland creatures and summoning dragons is much more suitable for the ferret changleing mage than mastery of any weapon.

Seriously, when would Yuuno ever pick up a sword when he can conjure a shield or bind? Also, he can fly.
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Old 2011-11-28, 23:11   Link #137
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I just put two and two togheter:

Unfeazable mastery of Barriers/Shields + Expertise with ANY artifact meant as a weapon = Game Breaker xD

He will be like the ultimate Spartan xD
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Old 2011-11-28, 23:14   Link #138
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Yuuno is not a swordsman.

Besides, swordsman with impenetrable barriers would be one of those elves.

And rather than defeat an elf with swordsmanship or offensive magic, Yuuno would probably just teleport the asshole away.

Let's see Counterspell defend against THAT.

... I mean, assuming that Counterspell isn't just a defense against blasty/bindy-type spells.
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Old 2011-11-28, 23:18   Link #139
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A Gandalfr is not just a swordsman, he can be ANYTHING weapon-related!

Yuuno suddenly will gain instant expertise with any kind of weapon: swords, spears, guns, battle vehicles, all sorts of artillery and probably even magical devices xD!
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Old 2011-11-28, 23:20   Link #140
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But that's not Yuuno. It just doesn't FIT.

He's a warrior when he needs to be, but he's ultimately a scholar, not a fighter. If he was the kind of guy who used weapons, he'd already have a weapon, or at least a single shooting-type spell.
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