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Old 2004-12-09, 04:26   Link #41
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Hey, I had an interesting thought. If Kakashi or Sasuke (actually any Sharingan user would work, all 3 of them) saw Garaa use dessert funeral, couldn't they copy it, and use it on Gaara's sand armor. (Not the shield, but the sand that surrounds his body that you don't see).
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Old 2004-12-09, 04:30   Link #42
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Hey, I had an interesting thought. If Kakashi or Sasuke (actually any Sharingan user would work, all 3 of them) saw Garaa use dessert funeral, couldn't they copy it, and use it on Gaara's sand armor. (Not the shield, but the sand that surrounds his body that you don't see).
I dun think so coz Shukaku is the one responsible for him to control sand, so if u dun have shukaku inside you u cant control the sand
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Old 2004-12-09, 05:23   Link #43
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I dun think so coz Shukaku is the one responsible for him to control sand, so if u dun have shukaku inside you u cant control the sand
I know Shukaku is responsible for the shield, which Gaara has no control over, but I'm not sure if Desert Funeral is, it seems Gaara makes a conscience effort to that one, and it seems to fit the dynamics of a normal jutsu rather than an automatic defense. I doubt we will ever know for sure.
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Old 2004-12-09, 06:17   Link #44
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I know Shukaku is responsible for the shield, which Gaara has no control over, but I'm not sure if Desert Funeral is, it seems Gaara makes a conscience effort to that one, and it seems to fit the dynamics of a normal jutsu rather than an automatic defense. I doubt we will ever know for sure.
I think you'd be better served thinking of Gaara's sand-related abilities the same way you'd think of Neji's Byakugan, or the Sharingan, or way back to the early teen episodes and Haku's crazy ice powers. They're all basically bloodline limit things. Sharingan can't copy Kyuubi-chakra. It can't copy Haku ice, or any of that stuff. Why should it be able to copy things that have nothing to do with ninja techniques, but with the very nature of the character.

I think it's a plot weakness to stretch the power of sharingan to essentially copying Lee's speed. Mimicing taijutsu (which boils down to moving in a certain way) is one thing, but acquiring attributes of other people, without the training necessary to make your body physically capable of having those attributes ... I don't think that should have been within the scope of Sasuke's power (since it trivializes Lee's decade or so of hard training to get that distinct trait). But that's just my opinion.

I think, going back to the "who could kill gaara" thought ... it'd probably be better to think of "why does gaara exist in the series?"

Gaara was built to be a disturbingly powerful genin, generally thought to be unbeatable, but later (and relatively easily) torn down to reveal a much, much greater power. The plan for the destruction of Konoha involved getting Gaara out there, and having him lose control of his form in the middle of Konoha, flipping out and letting Shukaku loose, and having that giant monster sand racoon stomp the whole village flat. As a demon basically evenly matched with a highest-level summoned monster, without something strong enough to fight him, he would have completely razed the village.

So who can bring something the size of Shukaku? So far, we don't know for sure whether the Third could or not (his summon was about human sized). Jiraiya, Naruto, Orochimaru, Tsunade all can, we know. Kakashi and Gai seemed less concerned about the giant snakes, and more concerned about beating down invading ninjas hand-to-hand, but the biggest summons we've seen either of them do are a somewhat large tortoise and a pretty big dog. Nobody other than Naruto or Jiraiya (or Tsunade or Orochimaru) has shown us a weapon big enough to take on Shukaku.

I don't think the jounins (in general) can come anywhere close to kyuubi-level chakra. It's even an achievement for the legendary sannin and for hokages to be able to do that. Without that level of power in enough places, Konoha would have been destroyed, and the series would be a whole lot shorter.

But my point is ... who cares who can break Gaara's shield? It's obvious that it can be outdone, by people with extremes in one direction or the other. It's also obvious that it's by far NOT the most dangerous thing about Gaara. It's just a point of mechanics that Gaara is basically impervious to things on a "normal" level.
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Old 2004-12-09, 07:54   Link #45
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I think it's a plot weakness to stretch the power of sharingan to essentially copying Lee's speed. Mimicing taijutsu (which boils down to moving in a certain way) is one thing, but acquiring attributes of other people, without the training necessary to make your body physically capable of having those attributes ... I don't think that should have been within the scope of Sasuke's power (since it trivializes Lee's decade or so of hard training to get that distinct trait). But that's just my opinion.
It's of course completely impossible to copy a body capacity like speed or strength with the Sharingan, heck or Sasuke would be as fast and strong as Gai with the amount of chakra of Naruto

Sasuke's just an incredible ninja prodigy who reached the kind of speed that Lee was able to gain after years and years of training in only two weeks.

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As a demon basically evenly matched with a highest-level summoned monster, without something strong enough to fight him, he would have completely razed the village.
Actually even with Gamabunta or a summon of this kind to fight Shukaku in the village, Konoha would have been most probably razed.
Gamabunta and Shukakku fought in the forest, but now imagine the disaster if they had fought into the village.
Buildings and people crushed under their attacks or under any of their move.
There would have been hundreds of death maybe thousands, half of the city would have been destroyed.
The power of Konoha would have been definitely crushed.
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Old 2004-12-09, 14:00   Link #46
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Actually even with Gamabunta or a summon of this kind to fight Shukaku in the village, Konoha would have been most probably razed.
Gamabunta and Shukakku fought in the forest, but now imagine the disaster if they had fought into the village.
Buildings and people crushed under their attacks or under any of their move.
There would have been hundreds of death maybe thousands, half of the city would have been destroyed.
The power of Konoha would have been definitely crushed.
Yup. Gamabunta acknowledged that at the start of their fight, something like "I'll need to finish this quickly, or the landscape here is going to change."

The same fight in the village .... yeah .... you're right. It wouldn't matter if there was anything to match Shukaku ...

"When elephants fight, it is the grass that suffers". Or in this case, maybe the leaf.
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