(L) The Surprise of Haruhi Suzumiya (Novels 10/11) Spoiler Discussion

[dragon4dudes]

Regarding Yuki being "alright now" and Yasumi leaving the SOS dan occurring in the same aftermath timeline, how I interpret it is as follows; where aftermath refers to the events following the joining on alpha and beta:

Since the epilogue is a juxtaposition of alpha and beta routes, what we see isn't alpha XOR beta causes aftermath, but rather alpha AND beta causes aftermath.

Originally Posted by Yasumi Surprise Final page 77

They're both you, Senpai. It's not that one is real and one is fake. It's just that the history is a little different, but it's the same time and same world.

Obviously, we cannot actually perceive 2 different histories at the same time. As a result, those timelines, alpha and beta, merged and overwrote each other. On the same page, Kuyou says, "-----This is the beginning. Of every possible crossroad…" This says that what we read in the epilogue, is merely one of infinitely many combinations of merges between alpha and beta. Thus, some sample timelines may include, history = {only beta, only alpha, current epilogue, nothing interesting happened}.

I'm not really sure where, but I'm pretty sure Kyon wondered how the world was going to resolve its multi-history issue. He seemed to understand it as whatever occurrence was believed or thought to have occurred, occurred. I can't remember.

[Ithekro]

That of course will lead to questions about the Disappearance group and what happened to them.

[Classified Info]

Tanigawa surely likes mindfucking his readers, i gotta say :/

[Kaisos Erranon]

Originally Posted by Ithekro

That of course will lead to questions about the Disappearance group and what happened to them.

Watch as they show up again.

[Ithekro]

I would be amused by this, especiall if they had their own Kyon...but then Kyon is the one going between all these different versions.

[shiroi mahotsukai]

Originally Posted by Ithekro

I would be amused by this, especiall if they had their own Kyon...but then Kyon is the one going between all these different versions.

I just got this really weird image of Kyon as Gary Sparrow from Goodnight Sweetheart.

[Ithekro]

Kyon never did see that "slider".....

[shiroi mahotsukai]

Originally Posted by Ithekro

Kyon never did see that "slider".....

Too many weird images now, him filling several roles including the 12th Doctor.

[ijuinkun]

Originally Posted by Tiranas

This is something I also tried to figure out a few posts back and it still doesn't make sense to me why she doesn't get suspicious if she actually remembers both.

Haruhi has a mental block regarding her powers that makes her unable to perceive anything odd about things that they cause unless it is shoved in her face. She did not see anything at all odd about the weird things that were happening during the movie shoot (e.g. sakura blooming in October), nor did she seem to have the "deja vu" feeling that Kyon, Koizumi, and Mikuru had during the "Endless Eight" time loop.

[Tiranas]

Originally Posted by ijuinkun

Haruhi has a mental block regarding her powers that makes her unable to perceive anything odd about things that they cause unless it is shoved in her face. She did not see anything at all odd about the weird things that were happening during the movie shoot (e.g. sakura blooming in October), nor did she seem to have the "deja vu" feeling that Kyon, Koizumi, and Mikuru had during the "Endless Eight" time loop.

That's valid to a certain extent, but only for her. However in this case Haruhi was just an example to illustrate my confusion with the resolution as a whole. The whole mixed-memories-thing also applies to at least Taniguchi and Sasaki (see Kyon's conversations with them in the epilogue) and even though I can't think of definite evidence probably also Kunikida, Mikuru, Tachibana and Fujiwara.

And that the new timeline in the epilogue is neither alpha nor beta but was created by them merging somehow as suggested by someone a few posts up is a thought i also entertained.

I'm just going to blatantly quote myself from the previous page here: "Additionally it seems like its completely arbitrary which memories are retained. But somehow there has to be one set of coherent memories within each person which would then be neither alpha nor beta but a third timeline. And would said timeline then just be an artificial memory or what "actually" happened?"

I'm not sure if the question at the end is able to convey what I actually mean but my English skills are already at their limit. Aside from that my stupid linear perception of time is just not cut out for this kind of thinking.

[dragon4dudes]

IIRC, Kyon does mention that what others seemed to have remembered as the "correct" timeline was basically completely arbitrary.

[fire_man545]

I don't know if it's been answered before but i can't find the answer. Is vol 11 the last of the series, since from the author postScript, it's hinting that he will write about new stuff, dunno if it's about haruhi novel
( from ps : I tihnk i may write somewhat starnge thing and character from here on. I hope to continue receiving your support. I think the character will have a damaged personality.) ?
because i was hoping for a more satifying ending then that.

[ultimatemegax]

Originally Posted by fire_man545

I don't know if it's been answered before but i can't find the answer. Is vol 11 the last of the series, since from the author postScript, it's hinting that he will write about new stuff, dunno if it's about haruhi novel
( from ps : I tihnk i may write somewhat starnge thing and character from here on. I hope to continue receiving your support. I think the character will have a damaged personality.) ?
because i was hoping for a more satifying ending then that.

The latest we've heard (in a roundtable recorded in April) is that he's in the middle of writing the next novel. These two's release were delayed 6 months for translation into Chinese and Korean, which likely worked well for Kadokawa. I would not be surprised if the next novel's release was delayed for the same reasons.

[amyjo]

Originally Posted by TheHaruhiIncarnate

Spoiler for adventures of mikuru asahina movie idea spoilers:

Remember the movie of the Adventures of Mikuru Ashahina? Well, remember Itsuki had to pick either Mikuru or Yuki, because they were a key to his powers and it was very important which one he chose? Well, doesnt that sound like the plot for the Surprise book? Kyon either chooses Haruhi or Sasaki and he is the key to their powers (in a sense). I feel, looking back now, Haruhi was foreshadowing the important descision to Kyon.

I just finished re-reading The Adventures of Mikuru Asahina 00, and was glad to see someone else came up with the same idea I did. Seeing page 48 of Wavering, it was pretty obvious that there was some foreshadowing--although perhaps it was more than just foreshadowing of the plot in books 10/11, as another person commented, since he has had to make other choices as well.

[ultimatemegax]

I found this linked on 2ch and thought it was really well done. I didn't feel comfortable putting it in the images thread due to how Yuki looks, so I thought here was best.

[VitaX]

Just finished volume 11 and I have to say the story just keeps on getting more and more unique and interesting. Not many manga/novels out there today have such a refreshing story to tell like Haruhi does that keeps you guessing and waiting in anticipation for more.

Classified Info on page 24 provided a real in depth analysis of the series thus far, it was a good read. I hope to see to Sasaki as a recurring character in the novels to come as she is one of the more interesting characters of the series. I'd like to see her relationship with Kyon and Haruhi be expanded upon in the novels to come.