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Old 2011-10-07, 18:13   Link #81
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Her character did a 180 reversal from when she was first introduced.
Yeah and even when the guy wants to do better and is giving his all, she refuses to give him any help. She rewrites his work, doesn't allow him any creativity... She might as well write and draw the damn thing herself.

And what really got me was when he was asking for advice on what's wrong with his work, she just says "Isn't that the author's job?" I would have said "Well, isn't it the editor's job to give guidance and advice, instead of just saying something is bad without explanation?"

That one dude said the rumors about her are untrue, but from what I've seen, they're spot on. She basically destroys and discourages any creative freedom while putting the mangaka through Hell. Whatever her end game is, even if it's some twisted plan to get the dude to grow a set or something, she's a horrible editor.
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Old 2011-10-07, 18:20   Link #82
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That one dude said the rumors about her are untrue, but from what I've seen, they're spot on. She basically destroys and discourages any creative freedom while putting the mangaka through Hell. Whatever her end game is, even if it's some twisted plan to get the dude to grow a set or something, she's a horrible editor.
Not like Sayaka and her company are any better. He didn't get any advice from the editor he got under her company either.

The only good girl so far is that call girl.
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Old 2011-10-07, 18:25   Link #83
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Yeah and even when the guy wants to do better and is giving his all, she refuses to give him any help. She rewrites his work, doesn't allow him any creativity... She might as well write and draw the damn thing herself.

And what really got me was when he was asking for advice on what's wrong with his work, she just says "Isn't that the author's job?" I would have said "Well, isn't it the editor's job to give guidance and advice, instead of just saying something is bad without explanation?"

That one dude said the rumors about her are untrue, but from what I've seen, they're spot on. She basically destroys and discourages any creative freedom while putting the mangaka through Hell. Whatever her end game is, even if it's some twisted plan to get the dude to grow a set or something, she's a horrible editor.
I don't know what IDY's game is distorting her personality like that, seems like its bad writing since the big personality shift was done so suddenly. But yea, she's being set up as a complete bitch.
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Old 2011-10-08, 02:30   Link #84
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What the hell am i reading? What is suddenly with that psychopathic nutcase female? I almost feel sorry for the poor pathetic bastard.

Those ^__^'s and ;D's is starting to piss me off as well.
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Old 2011-10-08, 03:07   Link #85
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Old 2011-12-12, 04:09   Link #86
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Old 2011-12-12, 04:22   Link #87
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It's now scary 'cause of...

Spoiler for chapter 8:
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Old 2011-12-12, 08:47   Link #88
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It's now scary 'cause of...

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So not only is she a bitch who doesn't allow people to be creative and has them mass produce generic stuff, she's so obsessed with that OZMA dude that she let it ruin her career.

As the story goes on, I just like her less and less...
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Old 2011-12-12, 09:47   Link #89
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So not only is she a bitch who doesn't allow people to be creative and has them mass produce generic stuff, she's so obsessed with that OZMA dude that she let it ruin her career.

As the story goes on, I just like her less and less...
Really? The way i read it was OZMA "destroyed" her and made her the woman she is now.
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http://www.comic-valkyrie.com/module...s/koimoku.html

Meanwhile I got some samples I found on the three girls. Unfortunately there are watermarks on them.
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Old 2011-12-13, 00:53   Link #91
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Seeing the rage on the readers makes me wonder what is with Im-Dal Young and these kinds of distasteful personalities on female characters.
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Old 2011-12-13, 02:26   Link #92
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Seeing the rage on the readers makes me wonder what is with Im-Dal Young and these kinds of distasteful personalities on female characters.
Well.. I applaud him

IDY the opposite of most Japanese manga author who are so afraid of offending the audience

Example:

Oh, that girl is not a mean spirited, she's just tsundere. She really wants the main character's cock.

Oh, that proud honor student girl is insecure of her home making skills. She wants to be approved as a good girlfriend, after all.

Oh, that girl who tease boys and says lewd things is really a virgin. God forbid if the main character gets someone else's sloppy seconds, right?

But this isn't giving your characters realistic flaws to me.

This is an example of the shounen manga industry trying to make a female character less threatening to the reader's ego.

So it's refreshing to me to see this kind of character. I hope IDY doesn't try to soften the blow using methods similar to those listed above.

My only regret is that IDY had to use a man as her obsession. It always has to be a man, doesn't it? So in a way it still falls under the "Women are allowed to have ambitions as long it is related to gaining favor from a man" rule, I see too often in manga.

I mean, this chapter totally failed the Bechdel test
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Old 2011-12-13, 07:24   Link #93
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Well.. I applaud him

IDY the opposite of most Japanese manga author who are so afraid of offending the audience

Example:

Oh, that girl is not a mean spirited, she's just tsundere. She really wants the main character's cock.

Oh, that proud honor student girl is insecure of her home making skills. She wants to be approved as a good girlfriend, after all.

Oh, that girl who tease boys and says lewd things is really a virgin. God forbid if the main character gets someone else's sloppy seconds, right?

But this isn't giving your characters realistic flaws to me.

This is an example of the shounen manga industry trying to make a female character less threatening to the reader's ego.

So it's refreshing to me to see this kind of character. I hope IDY doesn't try to soften the blow using methods similar to those listed above.

My only regret is that IDY had to use a man as her obsession. It always has to be a man, doesn't it? So in a way it still falls under the "Women are allowed to have ambitions as long it is related to gaining favor from a man" rule, I see too often in manga.

I mean, this chapter totally failed the Bechdel test
There's a huge difference between the characters being flawed and being psychos. Most of the girls he writes falls into the latter category or are at the very least extremely bi-polar, which leads to them being very unlikable. To me, it's just an inability to write convincing, realistic characters.

Of course, to be fair, the artwork doesn't help. Lee's artwork always makes women look like they're insane. It's the eyes.

The editor is this just comes off as mean. Whatever OZMA did to her, it's like she taking it out on the MC and basically trying to destroy him, his dreams and any creativity he has, most likely due to the fact that he idolizes OZMA and reminds her of him. The new girl evidenced this by the fact that she obviously thought his manuscript was good, yet it was rejected. If she was hurt that badly that she has to take it out on the new guy, she needs therapy as she's definitely damaged.

Doesn't help that the lead guy is a spineless dipwad.
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Old 2011-12-13, 07:31   Link #94
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IDY the opposite of most Japanese manga author who are so afraid of offending the audience
KLGChaos has a point here:

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There's a huge difference between the characters being flawed and being psychos.
Yes, characters in manga and light novels these days are mere stereotypes swapped around, but at least they are likeable. Im-Dal Young plays the extreme opposite, and it creates this rage-inducing manga series that makes its readers want to rip their hair out. And the problem here is that making characters like those appear to be his style.
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Old 2011-12-13, 08:52   Link #95
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One question : RAW is chapter 8 too ?

No..ch 8 is been translate..


When i see this style of drawing Manga..i always think they're crazy by their facial expressions..but i like this style too much..all girls are sexi and hot...Shoot!

However i think that OZMA did something bad to the Editor.to reduce her in this way..I hope we'll find out soon...
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lol, obv. resolution for the nxt chapter
fuck her like there's no tmr. Works wonders against colds / fevers
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Old 2011-12-13, 23:15   Link #97
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I looked at the Korean website, so I won't be surprised if the Korean version has names/places changed. Just like most of his work does when one is released in Japan/South Korea and vice versa.
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Old 2011-12-15, 09:35   Link #98
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KLGChaos has a point here:



Yes, characters in manga and light novels these days are mere stereotypes swapped around, but at least they are likeable. Im-Dal Young plays the extreme opposite, and it creates this rage-inducing manga series that makes its readers want to rip their hair out. And the problem here is that making characters like those appear to be his style.
and that's exactly my point

he dares to be offensive. I'm not saying he's the Howard Stern of manga writers, but he certainly likes to challenge the norms. Remember that pregnancy arc from UxU? Or Jin-Ho hitting a girl like thug? interesting times

your typical manga author would try to "soften" their characters. Not IDY. And he does succeed (but not always) in this because it manages to induce rage in readers. If it was overdone, that character would only end up being a caricature and become unintentional comedy.
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Old 2011-12-16, 01:09   Link #99
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Well, that takes "not writing stories for the fans" to a whole new level.
By the way, what are the odds of IDY finishing this manga series? Isn't he notorious for jumping around his works and not looking back? (I mean, he currently has nine ongoing works.)
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