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Old 2011-12-27, 13:55   Link #1241
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She's not a person. She's not a mage. She's a system.
I know, i only use the term "her" out of convenience, still U-D represents a very dangerous threat as "it's" programing is set on "destroy" and as a system is probably able to adapt/upgrade so it's not unlikely U-D have updated the Belkan magic system for convenient purpouses.

Besides, i'm the only one who think Yami-chan's tatoos resemble those located on Tohma and other Eclipse Drivers?

...dun, dun, DUUUUUUN!!!

EDIT: Page claimed for Signum playing with a child ^///^.
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Old 2011-12-27, 14:04   Link #1242
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well.. my point is that she is Belkan because she is "born" that way.

She refers to herself has "System U-D"
She is a system made to link a countless number of magics.
A system that all points to being made in the Ancient Belkan era.

There's nothing to suggest she was made in Al Hazred
In fact, by canon, there is nothing to suggest Al Hazred really existed.
Midchildans are still debating whether it's a myth or not.
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Old 2011-12-27, 14:09   Link #1243
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Thoma is not that bad, I mean yeah he is slow but he makes it up by being rather strong and having a really good length on all of his attacks. I think only U-D beats him in range.

His ranged attacks are hard to use I'll give you that.
If this game were Street Fighter 3: Third Strike, Thoma would be Q.

Hard to use, high defense and attack, low priority and speed, but give a player like Kuroda the reins, and you get a mountain of slaughterhouse beat downs.

The strange thing is that to do good with him, you have to play him more like a counter specialist than Vivio.

Turtle, punish, abuse the delay book attack.
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Old 2011-12-27, 14:10   Link #1244
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^^ Still, all of that is subjective, until U-D or someone else flat out reveals that she "borns" from Belkan origin we cannot be sure about it.

Also that stuff about "linking a countless number of magics" was mentioned in the game? Becuase it's possible that U-D lacked said feature until entering in contact with the Tome of the Night Sky and adapted said function from it. Yami-chan's original gimmick seems to be just having unlimited power and destroy rahter than absorbing other people's powers as she herself seem surprised by the Material and all what happened with the Book and her powers during all this time.

As also we don't know the real truth about Al-Hazard, IIRC it's not supossed that the Jewel Seeds are from Al-Hazardian origin?
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Old 2011-12-27, 16:42   Link #1245
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No, it was not mentioned that way

Jewel Seeds are capable of creating dimensional disturbance, which Precia hopes will lead her to Al Hazred

Chrono doubts if it really exists or not.

Keep in mind that Precia is mentally ill
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Old 2011-12-27, 16:48   Link #1246
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Keep in mind that Precia is mentally ill
A mentally ill mad SCIENTIST! i must add and so far no confirmation of her "death" was given by Tsuzuki leaving her fate(no pun intended xDU) and the existence of Al-Hazard open in the air. But i guess this topic is for the magic / technology thread.
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Old 2011-12-27, 17:05   Link #1247
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Also keep in mind that Yuuno, who has access to the biggest library in dimensional space, cannot fully exclude the existence of Al Hazard.

It's pretty much a more extreme Nanohaverse version of Atlantis. There is no absolute evidence that it ever existed, but hints that it did are scattered through past and present.
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Old 2011-12-27, 17:08   Link #1248
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If this game were Street Fighter 3: Third Strike, Thoma would be Q.

Hard to use, high defense and attack, low priority and speed, but give a player like Kuroda the reins, and you get a mountain of slaughterhouse beat downs.
He also needs to be able to taunt several times to receive even higher defense bonuses.
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Old 2011-12-27, 17:38   Link #1249
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Fan speculation/arguing will get us nowhere till the writers of this series gives us all the facts about everything. Like everything dealing with the Yami no Sho, the Florian sister's magic and what kind of affinities it has, Al Hazard, Lost Logia, and so on. This series is done in such a way that we are given 'facts' that are told by characters or hinted through their words. But the truth of all of this can only be revealed by the writers of this series. As any fan attempting to translate whatever is said may lose the meaning behind it accidentally and cause misinformation distribution to occur.

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Anyway, onto something else. Does anyone know how to play Yuuno well? I have tried a number of times and it is annoying to deal with his particular style. Almost everyone else I can get down easy, just Yuuno ><.

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Old 2011-12-27, 17:46   Link #1250
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Just rush everyone with his shield. That's all I and the computer do, and it works pretty well. Alternatively, Square, Square, Triangle is a combo that can be repeated three times.
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Old 2011-12-27, 17:49   Link #1251
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Don't know what trouble you're having with Yuuno, but when I first used him against Vivio I had trouble in close range...

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final attack can be done in long range. I'd normally fire strong [ ] then attempt to use it.

Do not neglect his close range grab (This was one of the reason why I had trouble at first)-
I tend to hit the opponent more with this than the [ ] attack.


I need to see if I can set the Vs. Com to hard mode and test him out.
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Old 2011-12-27, 17:50   Link #1252
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Anyway, onto something else. Does anyone know how to play Yuuno well? I have tried a number of times and it is annoying to deal with his particular style. Almost everyone else I can get down easy, just Yuuno ><.
So you finally managed to tape on Tohma's potential xD?
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Old 2011-12-27, 18:20   Link #1253
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Thanks for the tips guys. Yuuno's play style is a bit outside my usual range of character types to play as. Shamal before was one of my trouble spots before perserverence and me being stubborn in trying to find good methods, although some were pretty cheap. Shamal I can now play, onto Yuuno the ferret-kun.

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So you finally managed to tape on Tohma's potential xD?
In a sense, Touma's character type I've dealt with before, he's kinda like Nightmare or Siegfried from Soul Calibur.

For close range combat, if you know his strike ranges, the amount of time it takes for his [ ] attack to initially hit. He has one of the longest melee activated Full Burst attacks. The point for Touma's attack type is to keep them just in range and keep them there. To make best use of his close range combat, keep the normal amount of distance one usually keeps plus about half or so the length of his Divider, add a small fraction more distance for delay timing of his initial [ ] attack(more useful when opponent comes to you) and one can keep the opponents in range and attack unless countered. No fear of grabs.

Long range combat consist mainly keeping to mid-range combat, never get far away as only his projectile attack will ever reach but by that time it would be dodged. His long range triangle is good for distractions. Giving way for possible usage of either [ ] or O attacks to hit right after they dodge. Another way is to use the triangle attack to set up, dodge to the left or right, immediately fire a [ ] or O attack for distraction or actually attacking, leaving way for the triangle attack to finish firing and adding to the damage afterwards. His [ ] at mid range is good at doing poke damage like Signum as it can be useful to quickly attack an opponent before they have a chance to react.

Touma can be considered as a long-close range to mid-range fighter. Though he's slow, add in bonuses such as Cross Pow 2 and Long Pow 2 and MP Cut 2 or 3, you can in theory never have to reload the magic and take out an opponent quickly enough if you know the ranges and the timing of the opponent as well as being able to predict their moves before hand.

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Old 2011-12-27, 19:02   Link #1254
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Soooo...

How do I damage U-D in Sequence 10? She simply owns both Levi and Stern in extremely quick fashion and I can't even put a scratch on her, and judging from the number of battles, I need to win against her with both Levi and Stern to get the two badges..
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Old 2011-12-27, 19:07   Link #1255
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See her magic gauge? You have to deplete it once, so her guard crashes and then you can start damaging her. Trying to do it before only activates her auto-guard.
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See her magic gauge? You have to deplete it once, so her guard crashes and then you can start damaging her. Trying to do it before only activates her auto-guard.
Ah, I see! Managed to guard crash her, but unforunately I ran out of time and lost before I damaged her enough to be below my health.

She deals a ton of damage... I pretty much have to strike at her from long range while dodging her clusters of bullets. Not fun.

*tries sequence again*
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Old 2011-12-27, 19:14   Link #1257
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How sure are we that the Night Sky was created specifically for the purpose of sealing UD, and not just used for that purpose because it was the best tool at hand?
Why else would Reinforce blame herself for all that the Book of Darkness caused, rather than blaming the Unbreakable Darkness that corrupted her?

Then again, if the Tome really had been built around the UD before later being deliberately corrupted into the Book, Reinforce could blame the death and destruction on the jerk who corrupted her.

So in either case, she's blaming herself for the decisions of others.
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Old 2011-12-27, 19:19   Link #1258
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...Thoma's pretty bad in this game. I actually had to restart several times and eventually I said 'Screw it' and recorded my losses....
.... I meant that he gets to meet Vita (and Vita wants to pound that villain look a like XD)
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Old 2011-12-27, 19:20   Link #1259
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* For starters, Reinforce did a favor to us and finally confirms the energy of the dividers as something different from magic, so that debate is also over.
Like I said: The Bible of the Silver Cross runs on Seithr.

An anti-life, anti-magical, anti-electronic energy that can be used like magical energy, for spells or technology designed to use it.

The Bible is an Azure Grimoire!
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Old 2011-12-27, 19:26   Link #1260
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An anti-life, anti-magical, anti-electronic energy that can be used like magical energy, for spells or technology designed to use it.
So, like magic but with another name xD?

Kind of redundant isn't?
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