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Old 2011-12-29, 06:07   Link #3761
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I was of the impression that Naina and Milou would have been around 17 in the present year, with the rest of the kids slightly younger. The adults would have been around their mid to late 40's.

Goodness! Good to know that FT's not that far off into the future. That explains a hell lot about Cath's looks. (Now show us the rest of the cast, Sumizawa!!! )

But wait. That means the kids would have to be younger than they look.

Unless, yeah, Duo and Hilde had Jr. right after EW at the age of 16/17 (assuming that he IS their son). Or Noin had been pregnant sometime in 196, which I highly doubt. Then there's Kathy Po, too, who seems to be older than the twins.

What.

EDIT: And much thanks for Volume 2, Deacon! Noticed that there's quite some changes with all the Zechs/Noin scenes, it seems. Aside from the other changes, but yeah. Of course that's what I will notice primarily.
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Old 2011-12-29, 12:43   Link #3762
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nonono duo jr around 15/16..... so Duo Father may had become a daddy in his 28..30.. i think
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Old 2011-12-29, 15:06   Link #3763
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I'm at work, but according to the timeline: MC-0001 = AC-187 (given that there is an AC date right below it). So that means MC-0022 = AC-211
So... then it's been 15-16 Earth years since EW? That makes no sense when you look at Jr. and the Peacecraft twins. :/ How are you getting your calculation there from just a starting point? Are you accounting for the x2 calculation on Earth to Mars years? In that case it would make much more sense, at about 30+ Earth years.

Mars year = ~2 Earth years
22 x 2= 44

So about 44 some odd Earth years.

..Unless the timeline also gave a definitive AC date for MC0022 NEXT WINTER?
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Old 2011-12-29, 16:20   Link #3764
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I'm at work, but according to the timeline: MC-0001 = AC-187 (given that there is an AC date right below it). So that means MC-0022 = AC-211
It doesn't matter how you look at it, this timeline is flawed.

Let's say it isn't flawed, that would mean that it's only been 16 years since AC 195, meaning that the original pilots are only 31 years old in AC 211 (MC 0022).
Duo jr. is 15 years old, which means heMUST have been born in AC 196 (and possibly before Mariemaia's uprising during Christmas), making Duo a 16 year old guy.
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Old 2011-12-29, 16:43   Link #3765
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I should clarify- I mean it's been 44 Earth years since AC187. Which means.. 35 years since AC196, which would place the pilots at their late 40's early 50's? Or am I math-ing wrong again 9_6

But that at least makes more sense than everyone having babies right at the end of EW.
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Old 2011-12-29, 17:47   Link #3766
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It doesn't matter how you look at it, this timeline is flawed.

Let's say it isn't flawed, that would mean that it's only been 16 years since AC 195, meaning that the original pilots are only 31 years old in AC 211 (MC 0022).
Duo jr. is 15 years old, which means heMUST have been born in AC 196 (and possibly before Mariemaia's uprising during Christmas), making Duo a 16 year old guy.
Or there is the possibility that he could truly not be Duo/Hilde's son and just a look alike orphan. Though with all the evidence at this point, is highly unlikely.
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Old 2011-12-29, 20:28   Link #3767
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Alright, I'm home, have food in my belly, and am comfy in front of the computer. Let's figure this out together!

First of all, MC 0022 ≠ AC 211. EVER! Why? 2 calculations that I worked out:

EXAMPLE A
Let's go with 1 Mars year = roughly 2 Earth years
The year is now MC 0022, thus 44 earth years have passed (22 x 2 = 44).
AC 187 + 44 years = 231
SOOOOOO, the year is actually AC 231.
MC 0022 = AC 231, NOT AC 211
It's been 36 years since AC 195; If the boys were 15 in AC 195, then they are now 51 years old.
The present year is MC 0022 (AC 231), We know that Duo Jr. is 15 years old, meaning he was born in AC 216. If Duo & Hilde are in fact the parents, that means that they were 36 when Jr. came about, making the whole Jr. might be Hilde & Duo's much more plausible.


EXAMPLE B
1 Mars years = 1.8808 Julian/Earth years (I looked it up); Let's just work with 1.88
22 mars years x 1.88 earth years = 41.36 years
AC 187 + 41 years = AC 228
MC 0022 = AC 228
This calculation makes our pilots 48 years old in the present MC 0022.
According to this, Duo Jr. was born in AC 213, making Duo 33 years old. Still old enough to make him and Hilde the plausible parents.

Does this make sense? Can anyone refute me here? If this is actually correct, can we go with this?
P.S. I will be back later to figure more stuff out, so bare with me for a day or two ^_^
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Old 2011-12-29, 22:37   Link #3768
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Thaaaank you Eeni! I am terrible with math, but I knew it was something like that :U

Since Example B is the exact calculation, that sounds like it would be about right! And in that case Catherine Bloom would be about 50 and Noin and Zechs would be about 52-53? And Naina and Milou would have been born when they were about 30.
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Old 2011-12-29, 23:01   Link #3769
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*laughs* I made a boo boo. AC-182 is when it starts! Herp derp.

Frozen Teardrop Vol.05 goes on sale 02.25.2012
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So why do people fight, anyway?
Perhaps the meaning of existence lies within their will to fight.
People feel a sense of accomplishment through battle.
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Old 2011-12-29, 23:20   Link #3770
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Sssso then it's AC 223 and it's been 27 years, right? Making the pilots ~43, Catherine Bloom ~45, and Noin and Zechs ~47.

Makes much more sense, from what we've all seen.
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Old 2011-12-30, 09:22   Link #3771
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@Eeni:

My computation is similar with yours, only with Naina's supposed age (7) in MC0017 First Winter as my basis - making Zechs and Noin somewhere around 28-30 when they had her and Milou. Plus/minus years to compute for the rest.

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As much as I don't want them to be that old, this would make more sense! xD Gah. We need pictures of the cast! ;A;
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Old 2011-12-30, 13:20   Link #3772
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Hmm, question. Would AC 223 be MC0022 FIRST or NEXT seasons?
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Old 2011-12-30, 14:24   Link #3773
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Thaaaank you Eeni! I am terrible with math, but I knew it was something like that :U
Ya... someone should really try and find a flaw with my system, I've failed my College Algebra class twice now

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*laughs* I made a boo boo. AC-182 is when it starts! Herp derp.
ALRIGHT! Regardless of the info, whatever is printed in the magazine is wrong. MC 0022 is AC 223 and not 211 (it's a 12 years difference), making our original pilots 43 years old, like Kitsoru said. But thank you Deacon, this makes ages much more believable for FT.

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Hmm, question. Would AC 223 be MC0022 FIRST or NEXT seasons?
Glad you asked! This was exactly what I was looking into in order to figure out dates for FT. Being the insomniac that I am, I looked up possible calendars to be used for keeping time relevant between Earth and Mars. The most predominant one that I ran into is the Darian Calender http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darian_calendar. Its simple, with even numbers, and makes everything so pretty and easy to use.

A Martian year is 668 days. Using the Darian Calender, the year is divided into 24 months consisting of 28 days each, every 6th month has 27 days, and every decade we get a leap year, adding an extra day onto the last month of the year (just don't know if thats every Earth or Martian decade). Anyways, reading up about how seasons actually occur on Mars left me utterly confused. So for the sake of keeping things simple I just decided to divide the 8 seasons from FT into the 24 month period, getting 3 months per season.

Meaning that MC 0022 would look something like:
1st spring............ Jan.- March AC 223
1st summer.......... April- June AC 223
1st autumn.......... July- Sept. AC 223
1st winter........... Oct.- Dec. AC 223
next spring.......... Jan.- March AC 224
next summer........ April- June AC 224
next autumn........ July- Sept. AC 224
next winter.......... Oct.- Dec.AC 224

SOOOOOOOO, MC 0022 Next Winter would be sometime between Oct.- Dec. of AC 224. At least this is what makes sense to me.

Now for lunch!
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Old 2011-12-30, 14:43   Link #3774
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Spoiler for the first page of the timeline I translated::
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So why do people fight, anyway?
Perhaps the meaning of existence lies within their will to fight.
People feel a sense of accomplishment through battle.
And itís also a fact that the ones actually fighting are never perceived as being tainted.
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Old 2011-12-30, 14:59   Link #3775
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just to remember

when is end of Endless waltz?
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Old 2011-12-30, 18:04   Link #3776
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Endless Waltz was in 196 but ended new years 197.

How many pages is the timeline? We needed something like this from the start to make sense of everything.
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Old 2011-12-30, 18:11   Link #3777
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just to remember

when is end of Endless waltz?
AC 196, bordering on AC 197.

I have to say, I'm quite amused. In the end, the initial blurbs that FT takes place 30 years after EW were pretty spot on, huh? Also thanks for the calculations Eeni! Last time I tried my hand at them, it resulted in quite a mess and quite a headache.

And Kit, I'm sorry, the concierge pics are all jumbled up, so I can't really tell you what's where from but the b/w pic of Phobos and Quatrine is from chap 15. My Chinese and Japanese may be crap but I think I spot a '15' above the logo and a 'V' underneath it (chap 14 was "something something IV"). Hope that helps.
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Old 2011-12-30, 23:03   Link #3778
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Endless Waltz was in 196 but ended new years 197.

How many pages is the timeline? We needed something like this from the start to make sense of everything.
I thought it ended a few days before New Years... because I think Relena was kidnapped on either Christmas Eve or Christmas day.

You're welcomed Ikuze, it was indeed a messy thing. That was like the 4th time I tried and realized that a calendar of sorts already does exist!
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Old 2011-12-30, 23:07   Link #3779
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The final event we are aware of in the After Colony timeline takes place on Relena's Birthday, April 8th AC-197. Endless Waltz was right around Christmas AC-196.
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So why do people fight, anyway?
Perhaps the meaning of existence lies within their will to fight.
People feel a sense of accomplishment through battle.
And itís also a fact that the ones actually fighting are never perceived as being tainted.
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Old 2011-12-31, 06:52   Link #3780
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Preventer 5? I never considered that canon for some reason.

By the way, I just read through vol. 2 of GoL and uh... did Marquis Weridge really tell Relena to her face that she looks like her real mom Katrina while Mr. Darlian is standing right beside her???
Unless Mrs. Darlian is called Katrina, too, that's one heck of a blooper. More so than the iron bar running through the circus lion's head or Wu Fei's ever disappearing wristbands. xD
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