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Old 2011-12-29, 03:53   Link #841
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FMP won't come. Why? because they didn't sell. Haruhi will come if she want to (Speaking about timing). Key, should win over KyoAni in 2013 if they want "Rewrite" to be animated by KyoAni (I don't care about LB anymore). And "K-ON!" is officially "over" (Probably, because one of the staff said something about "maybe the movie is the last project of K-ON! anime"). Also, Kyoto Animation =/= Sunrise/Toei Animation.

See? The wind has changed, its time for this studio to do something different. And about that adolescent romance LN, probably they would do an OVA. Well, you know to fills the leisure time in a productive way. If the OVA doing well, they might go for a TV series.

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Haruhi is made when Kadokawa want it to be made, it's their call if they want to sit on it for a couple years and try and push other franchises like Nichijou (which was the 49th best selling manga of 2011 thanks to the anime) and Hyou-Ka.
So, it is true that the poor sales of BDs is Kadokawa's fault?

Really, Hatta couples should think twice before signing something with them
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Old 2011-12-29, 13:29   Link #842
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http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news...i-shitai-anime

Well another KyoAni anime it seems. When did they transform into AIC? What the heck? Where is Haruhi? Lol...
WHAT THE ................


So two KyoAni shows? So... I'm guessing slated for summer...
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Old 2011-12-30, 02:00   Link #843
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http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news...i-shitai-anime

Well another KyoAni anime it seems. When did they transform into AIC? What the heck?
So much for the "quality VS quantity" defense. Rom-com? Playing super-safe and super easy, eh Kyoani?

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Or the Little Buster fans. Though FMP fans need to stop being in denial
I've already stop expecting Kyoani to ever animate FMP. Though I still have some tiny hope that due to some unlikely miracle another studio ended up with the rights so at least someone would continue it. It's not like it's the first time FMP switched studios.
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Old 2011-12-30, 02:37   Link #844
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So much for the "quality VS quantity" defense. Rom-com? Playing super-safe and super easy, eh Kyoani?
WTF? Are you seriously trashing an anime that hasn't even been made yet just because it's said to be a romance? ...wow. WOW.
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Old 2011-12-30, 02:46   Link #845
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WTF? Are you seriously trashing an anime that hasn't even been made yet just because it's said to be a romance? ...wow. WOW.
Oh, I'm not "trashing" it because it's romance (I don't even think "trashing" is the right word) - heck, it'll probably be decent (but nothing memorable, as was the case of just about every other rom-com anime I've watched the last three years). It's just that rom-com's are pretty much a "safe" genre because all those lonely loveless otakus will always devour such stories. Kyoani wouldn't even have to try hard - just put a love triangle, some pretty drawings and animations (and don't forget Fanservice! Tits! Stockings! All the she-bang!) and Bam! Enough money to overcome Nichijou's disappointing sale.

And no, this won't be the first time Kyoani plays it lazy/easy *cough* Endless Eight *cough*
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Old 2011-12-30, 03:09   Link #846
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Oh, I'm not "trashing" it because it's romance (I don't even think "trashing" is the right word) - heck, it'll probably be decent (but nothing memorable, as was the case of just about every other rom-com anime I've watched the last three years). It's just that rom-com's are pretty much a "safe" genre because all those lonely loveless otakus will always devour such stories. Kyoani wouldn't even have to try hard - just put a love triangle, some pretty drawings and animations (and don't forget Fanservice! Tits! Stockings! All the she-bang!) and Bam! Enough money to overcome Nichijou's disappointing sale.

And no, this won't be the first time Kyoani plays it lazy/easy *cough* Endless Eight *cough*
Wasn't Nichijou also considered part of a "safe" genre for KyoAni?
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Old 2011-12-30, 03:22   Link #847
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Is it? Nichijou was based on a relatively obscure 4-koma. It's not filled with dialogues specifically made for otakus to relate as was lucky Star, nor was it an adaptation of Key like Clannad and the others, which has a secure fanbase.
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Nichijyou was far from safe. It wasn't popular to begin with. It had hard to moe-fy character designs. It had a niche type of humor. Nichijyou was a comedy. Safe for KyoAni is moe.

btw, Nichijyou wasn't a 4koma.

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Oh, I'm not "trashing" it because it's romance (I don't even think "trashing" is the right word) - heck, it'll probably be decent (but nothing memorable, as was the case of just about every other rom-com anime I've watched the last three years). It's just that rom-com's are pretty much a "safe" genre because all those lonely loveless otakus will always devour such stories. Kyoani wouldn't even have to try hard - just put a love triangle, some pretty drawings and animations (and don't forget Fanservice! Tits! Stockings! All the she-bang!) and Bam! Enough money to overcome Nichijou's disappointing sale.

And no, this won't be the first time Kyoani plays it lazy/easy *cough* Endless Eight *cough*
More Haruhi would overcome Nichijyou's bad sales. Rewrite or LB! would overcome them. I think that Kadokawa just wants to use KyoAni to promote some of their properties more than anything. Same case with Nichijyou, the only difference is that this is more marketable.

Also. E8 wasn't lazy. There was obviously a lot effort put into them. Its either stupidity or trolling, not laziness imho.
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Old 2011-12-30, 12:20   Link #849
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Next KyoAni adaptation: from the very old material (like a ten years old novel and I didn't find it anywhere) and a very young one.

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So much for the "quality VS quantity" defense. Rom-com? Playing super-safe and super easy, eh Kyoani?
KyoAni less play safe and never play easy. Even with their colab with Key (If you want to compare it with the next-door-studio). Besides, its not like they made any crime so far (Like any other heavy-filled-fanservice-anime lately), so we can expect more than just .... whatever you might think about rom-com genre.

And c'mon. Its Kyoto Animation we're talking about. Not some random studios like A-1 or AIC.
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Old 2011-12-30, 13:15   Link #850
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I'm under the impression that KyoAni is production the Romance-Comedy one themselves (it won a award). The first one...the young readers Mystery novel based series, is produced by Kadokawa.
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Old 2011-12-30, 13:25   Link #851
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Next KyoAni adaptation: from the very old material (like a ten years old novel and I didn't find it anywhere) and a very young one.



KyoAni less play safe and never play easy. Even with their colab with Key (If you want to compare it with the next-door-studio). Besides, its not like they made any crime so far (Like any other heavy-filled-fanservice-anime lately), so we can expect more than just .... whatever you might think about rom-com genre.

And c'mon. Its Kyoto Animation we're talking about. Not some random studios like A-1 or AIC.

Man sorry but they usually play it pretty safe and easy by my standards. Almost all of their shows have come from already pretty popular source material and while it can be argued that the popularity of the anime they made from them eventually gave back to that source material over time in the form of further increased recognition for the franchises in question I don't think you can deny that bringing in fanbases like Key's or the various hit light novels from Kadokawa that they've been given to adapt have really helped them get a head start when it comes to the popularity of their shows.

As far as I can see the only real risk in this business model is in making sure the adaptation of the source is faithful and other than that it's a matter of sitting back and watching the profits role in. Pretty safe, simple and easy to manage business model if you ask me.
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Old 2011-12-30, 14:17   Link #852
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Personally, I think it's more accurate to say that KyoAni has safe properties than safe genres. Until they get people excited about their work again, playing with genres they're known for can only do so much.

And I don't just mean "well, KyoAni is a pretty good studio" kind of excited. I mean the kind of excitement that accompanied their productions from 2006-2009. Don't know about you people, but I noticed a immense difference in the anticipation I saw for Lucky Star in 2007 and K-On! in 2009 versus Nichijou in 2011. The "new KyoAni work" reverence just isn't there anymore. K-On! and Haruhi are still revered, the studio that made them not so much.

And yes, I can't help but notice that Endless Eight falls between the launch of the last great KyoAni franchise and a flop. I'm thinking that killed an awful lot of the momentum behind the studio - and Kadokawa's insistence on doing 13 volumes for 26 episodes as opposed to the industry standard 9 probably did the rest.

I see little chance for these new properties to achieve the sort of success the Key trilogy, Haruhi, K-On!, or Lucky Star did. Now that said, I'm not going to rule out the idea that they're playing it safe, because the announcements really make it feel like they're doing marketing for Kadokawa. Or perhaps not so safe given Kadokawa's track record in anime the last year. But that's because of the business arrangements, not the genre.

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Man sorry but they usually play it pretty safe and easy by my standards. Almost all of their shows have come from already pretty popular source material and while it can be argued that the popularity of the anime they made from them eventually gave back to that source material over time in the form of further increased recognition for the franchises in question I don't think you can deny that bringing in fanbases like Key's or the various hit light novels from Kadokawa that they've been given to adapt have really helped them get a head start when it comes to the popularity of their shows.

As far as I can see the only real risk in this business model is in making sure the adaptation of the source is faithful and other than that it's a matter of sitting back and watching the profits role in. Pretty safe, simple and easy to manage business model if you ask me.
I'd always heard that Haruhi wasn't a major hit before the KyoAni got its hands on it. Ditto for K-On. Air would be the major exception, and even that sold 3X what the previous attempt at adapting a Key work did.
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Old 2011-12-30, 16:20   Link #853
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Pretty safe, simple and easy to manage business model if you ask me.
Sounds pretty awesome to me.
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Old 2011-12-30, 19:29   Link #854
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Man sorry but they usually play it pretty safe and easy by my standards. Almost all of their shows have come from already pretty popular source material and while it can be argued that the popularity of the anime they made from them eventually gave back to that source material over time in the form of further increased recognition for the franchises in question I don't think you can deny that bringing in fanbases like Key's or the various hit light novels from Kadokawa that they've been given to adapt have really helped them get a head start when it comes to the popularity of their shows.

As far as I can see the only real risk in this business model is in making sure the adaptation of the source is faithful and other than that it's a matter of sitting back and watching the profits role in. Pretty safe, simple and easy to manage business model if you ask me.
Someone already said something similar as the bold text in the next thread. And it turned out not be the case

Almost all? 5 out of 11 is indeed pretty "almost all". Besides, Just how far the head start (Getting fans attention early on) thingy helps popularity of their next shows I wonder? Studios like DEEN, Madhouse, JC Staff, Production I.G already done it way before KyoAni - Key colab. And you know the result is.
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Old 2011-12-30, 19:45   Link #855
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As far as I can see the only real risk in this business model is in making sure the adaptation of the source is faithful and other than that it's a matter of sitting back and watching the profits role in. Pretty safe, simple and easy to manage business model if you ask me.
Simple is not the same as easy. Kyoani's use of fairly popular properties is off set by their all eggs in one basket approach. They really can't accept the majority of their projects not to turn a profit while waiting for that one gem to come along.

Another risk is their huge overhead. The studio has a staff of their own animators on the payroll. They don't simply hire people for a project. The studio has invested in a training school and are early adapters of digital animation. Quality animation comes at a price. Their capital is in their animation staff, Kyoani can't simply sack the majority of their animators after a project.
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Old 2011-12-30, 21:57   Link #856
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I'd always heard that Haruhi wasn't a major hit before the KyoAni got its hands on it. Ditto for K-On. Air would be the major exception, and even that sold 3X what the previous attempt at adapting a Key work did.
Making hits out of mediocrity, eh?

I kid, I kid.... at least for 2 of these examples.

Pro Tip: Don't watch Kanon 1982 2002. It makes Angel Beats look well paced. And honestly Key's original character designs are not very good too. If anything I credit Kyoani the most with making the Key girls much more attractive in the anime. (But especially Kotomi, Tomoyo, and Mai... I'm clearly not biased)
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Old 2011-12-30, 23:28   Link #857
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This is one of those cases where a picture really is worth a thousand words:

Spoiler for Kanon 2002 v Kanon 2006:


Spoiler for Air Movie (Toei) v Air TV (KyoAni):


And just for fun, some other visual novel adaptations from the same time period:
Spoiler for Various 2003-2006 VN adaptations:

A few look good (like Utawarerumono), but for the most part, I have to say I'm pretty sure that Air did not sell on Key's name alone.
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Making hits out of mediocrity, eh?

I kid, I kid.... at least for 2 of these examples.

Pro Tip: Don't watch Kanon 1982 2002. It makes Angel Beats look well paced. And honestly Key's original character designs are not very good too. If anything I credit Kyoani the most with making the Key girls much more attractive in the anime. (But especially Kotomi, Tomoyo, and Mai... I'm clearly not biased)
The one in jest joke I would make is that everybody else did such a shitty job at adapting the Key works previously that all Kyoani really had to do was an average job and it would still look like a masterpiece by comparison.

I can certainly see why some people see Kyoani as something of a savior when it comes to the VA scene, but I guess it's a good thing that other studios are starting to pick up the slack in this area as well, but (again) oh boy I guess we'll always have Deen won't we?
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The one in jest joke I would make is that everybody else did such a shitty job at adapting the Key works previously that all Kyoani really had to do was an average job and it would still look like a masterpiece by comparison.

I can certainly see why some people see Kyoani as something of a savior when it comes to the VA scene, but I guess it's a good thing that other studios are starting to pick up the slack in this area as well, but (again) oh boy I guess we'll always have Deen won't we?
I'm always torn here... on one hand, I consider KyoAni's Air a huge leap forward compared to much of what was out at the time. But at the same time, I'm an EF fanboy who somewhat resents how KyoAni's work overshadowed so many good VN (and VN influenced) works in the 2007-2008 period.

EF's visuals might be an acquired taste, but it sure as heck looked great:
Spoiler for EF: A Tale of Memories/EF: A Tale of Melodies screencaps:
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The one in jest joke I would make is that everybody else did such a shitty job at adapting the Key works previously that all Kyoani really had to do was an average job and it would still look like a masterpiece by comparison.

I can certainly see why some people see Kyoani as something of a savior when it comes to the VA scene, but I guess it's a good thing that other studios are starting to pick up the slack in this area as well, but (again) oh boy I guess we'll always have Deen won't we?
Shinbo doing Key.

Sweet dreams.

Or Deen.... dear god.

White Fox is the future...

In any case, Outfoxzero has good points-- I think Ef series will improve your impression of Shaft and VN adaptations. For one thing, it's not nearly as seizure inducing. Witness the goodness of c cubed's and baka test's director, and then weep when you realize c cubed exists.

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This is one of those cases where a picture really is worth a thousand words:

Spoiler for Kanon 2002 v Kanon 2006:


Spoiler for Air Movie (Toei) v Air TV (KyoAni):


And just for fun, some other visual novel adaptations from the same time period:
Spoiler for Various 2003-2006 VN adaptations:

A few look good (like Utawarerumono), but for the most part, I have to say I'm pretty sure that Air did not sell on Key's name alone.
And weirdly enough Toei actually gets the edge on Air. Kyoani's designs are eh... goldfish? It's pretty funny since they actually did a respectable job on it. Toei Clannad was too damned blinding to watch (what did JJ Abrams take over?), though those of you that don't like the After Story may enjoy the alternate ending.
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