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Hero-san · 2012-01-02, 06:47

I only download my anime from nyaa but as of yesterday my ISP turned me off. I called them and they said I was suspended for downloading bleach. Is nyaa torrents no longer safe? I feel I need to go back to streaming/upload sites like rapidshare for anime now. I know I can get a VPN but I don't have the extra cash as the economy is not being nice to me. Has anyone else received some kind of notice for downloading anime yet? My ISP is new wave communications and thats the only option unless I want dsl. I rather not have dsl.

Dhomochevsky · 2012-01-02, 17:11

Public trackers are never safe. And I would not trust private ones either for that matter.
Nyaa is just as exposed, as any of the major trackers.
The only thing "safe" about nyaa is/was the rather obscure type of content.

But the fact, that your ISP was logging the discrete content of your downloads and not just the fact, that you were using P2P (like many do) is rather disturbing. I would not want to stay at such an ISP.
If they can see that you are downloading Bleach, they can and do also peak into any other of your unencrypted data and may be logging your http sessions too...
Another possibility is, that they got a DMCA notice against your ip, because it was sharing Bleach. If you are in the US, they would be required to tell you this, I think? It depends on where you live.

Key Board · 2012-01-02, 17:28

torrent sites are CRAWLING with web spiders nowadays

which is why I rarely bother with torrents

learn to use IRC, Share or Perfect Dark

better yet, learn Japanese and watch from streaming sites

Xellos-_^ · 2012-01-02, 22:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by Key Board

torrent sites are CRAWLING with web spiders nowadays

which is why I rarely bother with torrents

learn to use IRC, Share or Perfect Dark

better yet, learn Japanese and watch from streaming sites

i haven't been around irc in a long time. what net and channel is good place to go?

sa547 · 2012-01-03, 01:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hero-san

My ISP is new wave communications and thats the only option unless I want dsl. I rather not have dsl.

I'm afraid this ISP is working with an IP-enforcing firm. One example of a DMCA notice:
http://www.chillingeffects.org/dmca5...oticeID=142985

The only hope you have is to peruse Chilling Effects to find a way to resolve your problem.

djmaca · 2012-01-03, 01:18

Pfft. Whose bright idea was DMCA again? Good thing I live in the pirate capital of the world :3

Hasumi · 2012-01-03, 02:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by djmaca

Pfft. Whose bright idea was DMCA again? Good thing I live in the pirate capital of the world :3

Don't jinx it.

Fahd · 2012-01-03, 03:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by sa547

One example of a DMCA notice:
http://www.chillingeffects.org/dmca5...oticeID=142985

What're links to yesasia doing on that notice?

. Both links are for imported manga from Japan; I think someone at Funimation needs to double-check their requests

.

Dhomochevsky · 2012-01-03, 03:39

Most likely they aren't even single-checked. Often it's some kind of bot sending them out.

iceyfw · 2012-01-03, 04:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xellos-_^

i haven't been around irc in a long time. what net and channel is good place to go?

server irc.rizon.net and channel #news is a good place to go to

Athena · 2012-01-03, 10:24

Is using a proxy safe, BTW?

Dhomochevsky · 2012-01-03, 11:42

It depends on your proxy.
Obviously using a proxy will make that proxy the target of the DMCA. Then how does your proxy handle that?
Maybe it is in a place, where US legislation (or equivalent copyright legislation) can't touch it, then it does not care.
If it is not safe, then did it log your ip and session data? If it did, it might offer them when hit by a legal threat, so as to go free. At that point your proxy retroactively stops being one and you are in trouble again.
But I believe this is more likely to happen when commiting real crime online (ie you're one of those anonymous DDOS guys), not for simple copyright infractions. The people sending out these mass DMCAs will most likely not try to resolve proxys.

Note btw. that he was most likely not blocked for downloading Bleach, but for sharing it, because that is the legal base of the DMCA: you are distributing material, that you don't have the copyright to.
That is why I myself would prefere IRC too. It is still not legal to download, but if I don't upload at the same time, those legal tools forged to fight illegal distribution can't hit me.

Moemura · 2012-01-03, 12:45

You could try using Peer Block. I have only recently started using it. I never have had any problems with anime torrents without Peer Block though. I started using because it because of the site linked to in this article. http://lifehacker.com/5867161/this-w...en-downloading

You can get Peer Block here.
http://www.peerblock.com/

Athena · 2012-01-03, 15:35

Wait, then direct download is safe...is it?

Dhomochevsky · 2012-01-03, 17:09

Pretty much.
At least it is one of the safest options.

The thing is if you upload, as in p2p, there is always the argument you uploaded to the internet; there are millions of people on the internet, so you have caused a billion $ of damage by sharing a movie for half a day.

Athena · 2012-01-03, 18:50

Sigh...I think I prefer watching anime on streaming websites. Safest way, I think.

Coldlight · 2012-01-04, 02:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Moemura

You could try using Peer Block.

Sounds useful. Might check it out. The two times I visited that site in the Lifehacker article you linked (one visit I did was last year), they had nothing on me though. Even though I almost exclusively used only torrents for my anime.

***GHDpro*** · 2012-01-04, 03:51

It's already been said... but public torrents aren't safe if you don't want to get caught downloading anything.

If PeerBlock works like similar software, it'll just block suspect IPs from connecting to your BT client. The tracker (nyaa.eu in this case) will still broadcast your IP to the world and there is nothing you can do to stop that.

If I may make another suggestion... use Newsgroups/Usenet. This works similar to a direct download (but it's a little bit more involved), so the only party knows what you're downloading is the one that operates the server you are downloading from (the newsgroup provider) and most providers don't keep download logs.

As for a newsgroup client, I recommend SABnzbd . It works through your browser (use YouTube or other site if you need a tutorial for setting it up). To find downloads, see www.fanzub.com

The only real downside is that a good quality newsgroup provider is obviously not free. But there are that accept PayPal (in case you don't have a creditcard) and where subscriptions are optional like www.news.astraweb.com (try a 25GB for $10 account for starters, if you don't like it not much money is lost).

One major advantage of newsgroups over normal direct downloads is that while there are many providers, they all provide the same content. So one account gives access to all, unlike Rapidshare/Hotfile/Megaupload where you'd need a paid account with a bunch of them if you want to download fast and without delays.

Cosmic Eagle · 2012-01-04, 07:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by djmaca

Pfft. Whose bright idea was DMCA again? Good thing I live in the pirate capital of the world :3

My friend, if that TPP pact goes up, even we here in SEA may be screwed....

Mentar · 2012-01-04, 10:48

Alternatively, if you're tech-savvy, you can consider buying tunnel endpoints in countries which don't care (e.g. Sweden).

http://www.prq.se/?p=tunnel&intl=1

It essentially means that your public IP will look like a swedish one. It's like a proxy, but for everything. The upside is that you're REALLY pretty safe this way, since the ISP providing this service won't follow up on any notices and will not keep logs.

2012-01-02, 06:47	Link #1
Hero-san Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2007	Nyaa no longer safe? I only download my anime from nyaa but as of yesterday my ISP turned me off. I called them and they said I was suspended for downloading bleach. Is nyaa torrents no longer safe? I feel I need to go back to streaming/upload sites like rapidshare for anime now. I know I can get a VPN but I don't have the extra cash as the economy is not being nice to me. Has anyone else received some kind of notice for downloading anime yet? My ISP is new wave communications and thats the only option unless I want dsl. I rather not have dsl. __________________ Kagami <3

2012-01-02, 17:28	Link #3
Key Board Donut Join Date: Nov 2003	torrent sites are CRAWLING with web spiders nowadays which is why I rarely bother with torrents learn to use IRC, Share or Perfect Dark better yet, learn Japanese and watch from streaming sites __________________ "Don’t try to be original just try to be good." - Paul Rand

2012-01-03, 01:18	Link #6
djmaca My Girl ↓ Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Update: Ortigas, Pasig, Phillippines Age: 25	Pfft. Whose bright idea was DMCA again? Good thing I live in the pirate capital of the world :3 __________________ I find the lack of old Darth Vader memes.... disturbing.

2012-01-03, 10:24	Link #11
Athena The Power of One Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Earth	Is using a proxy safe, BTW? __________________

2012-01-03, 12:45	Link #13
Moemura Natsuzora Join Date: Dec 2011	You could try using Peer Block. I have only recently started using it. I never have had any problems with anime torrents without Peer Block though. I started using because it because of the site linked to in this article. http://lifehacker.com/5867161/this-w...en-downloading You can get Peer Block here. http://www.peerblock.com/ __________________

2012-01-02, 17:11	Link #2
Dhomochevsky temporary safeguard Join Date: May 2004 Location: Germany Age: 31	Public trackers are never safe. And I would not trust private ones either for that matter. Nyaa is just as exposed, as any of the major trackers. The only thing "safe" about nyaa is/was the rather obscure type of content. But the fact, that your ISP was logging the discrete content of your downloads and not just the fact, that you were using P2P (like many do) is rather disturbing. I would not want to stay at such an ISP. If they can see that you are downloading Bleach, they can and do also peak into any other of your unencrypted data and may be logging your http sessions too... Another possibility is, that they got a DMCA notice against your ip, because it was sharing Bleach. If you are in the US, they would be required to tell you this, I think? It depends on where you live.

2012-01-03, 03:39	Link #9
Dhomochevsky temporary safeguard Join Date: May 2004 Location: Germany Age: 31	Most likely they aren't even single-checked. Often it's some kind of bot sending them out.

2012-01-03, 11:42	Link #12
Dhomochevsky temporary safeguard Join Date: May 2004 Location: Germany Age: 31	It depends on your proxy. Obviously using a proxy will make that proxy the target of the DMCA. Then how does your proxy handle that? Maybe it is in a place, where US legislation (or equivalent copyright legislation) can't touch it, then it does not care. If it is not safe, then did it log your ip and session data? If it did, it might offer them when hit by a legal threat, so as to go free. At that point your proxy retroactively stops being one and you are in trouble again. But I believe this is more likely to happen when commiting real crime online (ie you're one of those anonymous DDOS guys), not for simple copyright infractions. The people sending out these mass DMCAs will most likely not try to resolve proxys. Note btw. that he was most likely not blocked for downloading Bleach, but for sharing it, because that is the legal base of the DMCA: you are distributing material, that you don't have the copyright to. That is why I myself would prefere IRC too. It is still not legal to download, but if I don't upload at the same time, those legal tools forged to fight illegal distribution can't hit me.

2012-01-03, 15:35	Link #14
Athena The Power of One Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Earth	Wait, then direct download is safe...is it? __________________

2012-01-03, 17:09	Link #15
Dhomochevsky temporary safeguard Join Date: May 2004 Location: Germany Age: 31	Pretty much. At least it is one of the safest options. The thing is if you upload, as in p2p, there is always the argument you uploaded to the internet; there are millions of people on the internet, so you have caused a billion $ of damage by sharing a movie for half a day.

2012-01-03, 18:50	Link #16
Athena The Power of One Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Earth	Sigh...I think I prefer watching anime on streaming websites. Safest way, I think. __________________

2012-01-04, 03:51	Link #18
*GHDpro* Administrator AnimeSuki Site Staff Moderator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Netherlands Age: 34	It's already been said... but public torrents aren't safe if you don't want to get caught downloading anything. If PeerBlock works like similar software, it'll just block suspect IPs from connecting to your BT client. The tracker (nyaa.eu in this case) will still broadcast your IP to the world and there is nothing you can do to stop that. If I may make another suggestion... use Newsgroups/Usenet. This works similar to a direct download (but it's a little bit more involved), so the only party knows what you're downloading is the one that operates the server you are downloading from (the newsgroup provider) and most providers don't keep download logs. As for a newsgroup client, I recommend SABnzbd . It works through your browser (use YouTube or other site if you need a tutorial for setting it up). To find downloads, see www.fanzub.com The only real downside is that a good quality newsgroup provider is obviously not free. But there are that accept PayPal (in case you don't have a creditcard) and where subscriptions are optional like www.news.astraweb.com (try a 25GB for $10 account for starters, if you don't like it not much money is lost). One major advantage of newsgroups over normal direct downloads is that while there are many providers, they all provide the same content. So one account gives access to all, unlike Rapidshare/Hotfile/Megaupload where you'd need a paid account with a bunch of them if you want to download fast and without delays.

2012-01-04, 10:48	Link #20
Mentar Sore wa himitsu desu! Fansubber Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Hamburg Age: 43	Alternatively, if you're tech-savvy, you can consider buying tunnel endpoints in countries which don't care (e.g. Sweden). http://www.prq.se/?p=tunnel&intl=1 It essentially means that your public IP will look like a swedish one. It's like a proxy, but for everything. The upside is that you're REALLY pretty safe this way, since the ISP providing this service won't follow up on any notices and will not keep logs. Last edited by Mentar; 2012-01-04 at 11:13.