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Old 2012-01-15, 08:18   Link #61
DonQuigleone
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Blighttown was by far the worst area for me as well. Once you get the Shadow Set, poison resistance is high enough that you can stand two shots from a blowdart sniper and make it out okay. It was invaluable to say the least.

I've been playing NG+ and have been doing more PvP (didn't do any in first playthrough until the last level).
The Pyromancer "tattered" set is even better at increasing poison resistance.

As for me, I just learned off all the blowdart locations and gradually picked them off, luckily they don't regenerate. I had greater difficulty with the giants. At the time I didn't know about backstabbing .

Completing Blighttown is worth it though, there's some decent items there, the Eagle Shield and Iaito for instance. The Eagle Shield rocks. Practically as good as any other heavy shield, but less then half the weight.

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Old 2012-01-15, 14:28   Link #62
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The Pyromancer "tattered" set is even better at increasing poison resistance.

As for me, I just learned off all the blowdart locations and gradually picked them off, luckily they don't regenerate. I had greater difficulty with the giants. At the time I didn't know about backstabbing .

Completing Blighttown is worth it though, there's some decent items there, the Eagle Shield and Iaito for instance. The Eagle Shield rocks. Practically as good as any other heavy shield, but less then half the weight.
Funny, I didn't start using backstabbing until I came to the giants.

I made the mistake of trying to go through the Demon Ruins right after Blighttown, not quite sure of where to go. The cutscene just didn't register to me that I need to go to Sen's Fortress.

Eagle Shield is half the weight?!
Well, I might use it depending on its stats. I'm currently using a Black Knight Shield +4, so there isn't much that's stronger.
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Old 2012-01-15, 22:28   Link #63
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Funny, I didn't start using backstabbing until I came to the giants.

I made the mistake of trying to go through the Demon Ruins right after Blighttown, not quite sure of where to go. The cutscene just didn't register to me that I need to go to Sen's Fortress.
I learned backstabbing on the snake guys in Sen's fortress :P . Speaking of which, Sen's fortress was another hellish experience! Dodging all those blades... Didn't feel as cheap as Blighttown though.

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Eagle Shield is half the weight?!
Well, I might use it depending on its stats. I'm currently using a Black Knight Shield +4, so there isn't much that's stronger.
Eagle shield weighs 6 lbs, which is half the next highest greatshield, the tower shield. It has a base stability value of 70, the average Greatshield having ~75-85 stability, but being 2 or 3 times heavier, and requiring a much higher strength score. The Eagle Shield weighs 6lbs, and requires 16 Strength, while pretty much every other Greatshield requires ~35 strength and weighs 16-25 lbs

The shield you're using a medium shield though. That's fine, but certain heavy attacks go through it. With a heavy "greatshield", No attacks can get through. You can block all attacks. You lose the ability to parry though.

The eagle shield is probably the worst greatshield, but it has by far the lowest stat requirements. If you don't have a strength build, but still want to get the defensive potential of a greatshield, use the eagle shield. Higher stability (you lose less stamina when hit), and blocks all physical attacks. What more could you want?

If you're a strength character, there are probably better choices though, like the Greatshield of Artorias or Havel's shield.

You can see a summary of all the game's shield's here.
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Old 2012-01-16, 01:49   Link #64
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I actually got through Sen's Fortress in one shot. It was surprisingly straight-forward for me.

I'm actually working on my builds Endurance so that I can wear Ornstien armor, a BK Halberd, and the Greashield of Artorias. I'm using Havel's Ring and the Darkwood Grain Ring for obvious reasons, but my endurance isn't quite high enough to have the ninja-flip benefits with 50% weight burden and my prospective armaments.
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Old 2012-01-16, 07:46   Link #65
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I actually got through Sen's Fortress in one shot. It was surprisingly straight-forward for me.

I'm actually working on my builds Endurance so that I can wear Ornstien armor, a BK Halberd, and the Greashield of Artorias. I'm using Havel's Ring and the Darkwood Grain Ring for obvious reasons, but my endurance isn't quite high enough to have the ninja-flip benefits with 50% weight burden and my prospective armaments.
Ornstein armour is okay, but I don't think it's the best bang for your buck, I don't think you can upgrade it. Elite Knight armour is pretty good.

Then again, you might just be wearing it because it looks cool...
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Old 2012-01-16, 10:45   Link #66
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The Eagle Shield came in handy for me so many times it's ridiculous. Losing the ability to parry was a very small price to pay for the ability to fully block several devastating attacks, including Sif's double spin and Smough's hammer charge. I don't see myself switching away from a Greatshield ever again.
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Old 2012-01-17, 12:40   Link #67
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Ornstein armour is okay, but I don't think it's the best bang for your buck, I don't think you can upgrade it. Elite Knight armour is pretty good.

Then again, you might just be wearing it because it looks cool...
Ornstein's armor is good against lightning kiddies and everything else is pretty subpar. It's the best armor to have statistically online since... well, you know, the whole 'moar lightning' thing. Black Knight armor though has to be one of the better armors, of course not excluding Havel's or Leeroy's set. Or the Giant's set. Though Havel's or the Giant's isn't something you catch me dead wearing.

I'm partial to the bronze armor though. Lady Darkling definitely has taste in armor, too bad I'm a greedy jerk that'll get whatever he want even if that means going against some gender confused boss and three shotting Lady Darkling.

Elite knight armor is only really good once you've leveled it up enough times. It has similar stats to the knights armor, which is only relatively good. I think considering how early you can get it though, it's definitely one of the better ones thanks to the poise it gives.
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Old 2012-01-17, 13:01   Link #68
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Myself, I'm using a mixture. Using the elite Knight armor for the chest, sorcerer gloves, gargoyle helm and crimson waistcloth for the legs.

Each of those are fairly decent, and I stay under the 50% weight limit. Crimson waistcloth is particularly good when it comes to weight.
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Old 2012-02-07, 22:27   Link #69
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Hey, guys. I got a question. Does Divine do damage to undead only? Or does it affect evreything (similarly like fire/lightning is additive to damage)?

I want to make an Oscar of Astora build (vit/faith) but I've never made a faith build. In fact magic is something pretty new to me despite my seniority of From Software's soul series.

Let me rephrase it. If I did a 100 physical damage, with 50 points in divine/blessed damage, would that culminate on all enemies or would it only be 150 damage against skeleton? Does divine also affect hollows?

I feel so dumb. Dammit.


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Myself, I'm using a mixture. Using the elite Knight armor for the chest, sorcerer gloves, gargoyle helm and crimson waistcloth for the legs.

Each of those are fairly decent, and I stay under the 50% weight limit. Crimson waistcloth is particularly good when it comes to weight.
I prefer the brass armor set. It has overall good defense (though pretty lackluster in strike defense) and its pretty light. I just wish I didn't have to break my favorite convenant in order to get it.
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Old 2012-02-08, 04:11   Link #70
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Hey, guys. I got a question. Does Divine do damage to undead only? Or does it affect evreything (similarly like fire/lightning is additive to damage)?

I want to make an Oscar of Astora build (vit/faith) but I've never made a faith build. In fact magic is something pretty new to me despite my seniority of From Software's soul series.

Let me rephrase it. If I did a 100 physical damage, with 50 points in divine/blessed damage, would that culminate on all enemies or would it only be 150 damage against skeleton? Does divine also affect hollows?

I feel so dumb. Dammit.
I'm not sure, but as far as I'm aware, almost every enemy in the game is undead anyway, so even if it only effects undead, you'd still be in good shape.

You also have the option of using occult weapons. From what I've read, there isn't a whole lot of difference, but I think it's a very murky area.

Faith has other benefits, you can get lightning bolt spells, and lightning damage is pretty universally effective. So it's definitely a viable build anyway.

I'm not sure if pouring stat points into Vitality is worth it though, once you have enough Vitality to be able to heal 1/2-2/3 your health from your estus flask (and not more), more vitality isn't useful. Why not endurance or strength instead?


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I prefer the brass armor set. It has overall good defense (though pretty lackluster in strike defense) and its pretty light. I just wish I didn't have to break my favorite convenant in order to get it.
I've switched my help to the paladin helm, and my gloves to the paladin gloves, I'm still searching for a better bottom armor though.
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Old 2012-02-08, 11:03   Link #71
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So, I've finally made it to the Kiln of the First Flame on NG+, only to find absolutely no pvp going on in the area. I seriously sadfaced, but ill have to try again I guess. I went Dragon Covenant this time, so ill have to pray others actually want to be invaded.
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Old 2012-02-08, 13:43   Link #72
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I'm not sure if pouring stat points into Vitality is worth it though, once you have enough Vitality to be able to heal 1/2-2/3 your health from your estus flask (and not more), more vitality isn't useful. Why not endurance or strength instead?
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Vitality is useful, because that means less estus usage. It also means I can have my mind somewhere else besides having to constantly stare at my health. Consider it strokes of a blood knight.


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So, I've finally made it to the Kiln of the First Flame on NG+, only to find absolutely no pvp going on in the area. I seriously sadfaced, but ill have to try again I guess. I went Dragon Covenant this time, so ill have to pray others actually want to be invaded.
Try Anor Londo. Also, if you wanted pvp you should've chosen Blade of the Darkmoon. They can invade without much thought about the level restriction. If a guy thirty levels below/above you sinned, you can hunt them down and etar off their ears. Or at least try to. The Way of the Dragon is pretty limited as far as I know.
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Old 2012-02-08, 14:10   Link #73
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I killed Gwyndolin though. :/
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Old 2012-02-08, 16:26   Link #74
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Vitality is useful, because that means less estus usage. It also means I can have my mind somewhere else besides having to constantly stare at my health. Consider it strokes of a blood knight.
Eh, I don't buy the estus flask argument, because I've never once run out of Estus Flasks (except early in the game, when I was crap). Particularly if you kindle a bonfire, there's no way you'll use up more then 10 estus flasks in a run if you know what you're doing.

And I don't think Humanity is a legitimate concern, throughout the game you get more then enough humanity to kindle every significant bonfire

Also, the Vit build vs. Endurance build without armor is disengenuous, because that will never happen. You're basically getting rid of the benefit of Endurance in order to prove that "vitality is better", I say, put an endurance build at half encumbrance, and a Vit build at half encumbrance, and see who does best. I bet it's the Endurance.

Besides, with my medium armored character, I haven't encountered anything that one hit kills me. With armor most damage gets absorbed. Which not only means you can take a bigger hit, it means you don't have to do as much healing overall, so your estus flask doesn't get as depleted either.

Furthermore, Endurance has two "bonus" benefits: 1. It increases Stamina. In fact, if it didn't increase Stamina, it wouldn't be worth it to increase endurance. The extra stamina means you can absorb more hits to your shield, and be able to longer attack combos. That makes you stronger both offensively AND defensively. Vitality provides no such benefit.

2. The higher endurance means you can use heavier weapons and shields, making your build more versatile.

Vitality provides very little benefit so long as you have enough health to stop a 1 hit kill, and enough to be able to hold enough health to not waste estus healing. I don't think it's worth going beyond 20 Vitality, because there's just no other benefit barring more health.

Stamina is just as important as health, and it's vital when you're defending yourself with a shield. That's why almost no builds go beyond 40 endurance, stamina stops levelling then.

At 10 endurance you have 90 stamina, at 40 it's 160, that's pretty hefty.

Vitality is more dramatic in it's effects, (goes from 570 at 10 to 1300 at 40), but if you're correctly using your shield, you'll never get that damaged anyway. At most I'd go to 30 Vitality, once I have Estus flasks upgraded to +7 (where they heal 800 a pop), at 30 you have a health of 1100, for 10 more points you only get 200 more hp (whereas 20->30 gives 300).

Endurance clearly beats Vitality.
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Old 2012-02-08, 17:09   Link #75
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Whoa, that was a long post... Cutting!

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Endurance clearly beats Vitality.
Okay. It might mean heavier armor and being able to block more thanks to a larger stamina pool, but I don't buy that it outweighs vitality without any kind of argument. There is a limit on how much stamina. You either choose between temporary boosting effects or a shield with less then optimal stats.

Besides, I've never refuted endurances importance. I put points into it. Dexterity is the only thing I don't touch. It limits me to melee and melee only, since I don't touch the magic related stats that often. (i.e. If necessary I raise my attunement to one slot.)

Well, here is my build. Feels like all I'm doing today is being put into a corner so I'll just let a sheet do whatever I'm doing wrong in this debate.

Spoiler for ;:


This has strayed from what I really wanted, which was to know if an Oscar build was viable (elite knight armor, astora straightsword, vit/faith build)?
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Old 2012-02-08, 18:35   Link #76
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The Stamina boosting properties of Endurance stop at 40, increasing endurance further is somewhat pointless after that. But I think that hitting endurance 40 is much more beneficial then vitality. And with a shield like the Eagle Shield, you'll be able to tank almost anything with very low strength, and only a modest encumbrance.

As for my own build, here it is:

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I'm exploiting the fact that Enchanted weapons have strong scaling with magic to have good melee damage. Add to that the good ranged damage from spells, and I'm pretty versatile.

Stre and Dex of 16 allow me to weild most weapons, in particular I use Winged Spear a lot. Spear allows you to attack while you hold your shield up, and gives decent damage.

Your own build isn't too bad, my only change is that I'd shift your Vit stats into maxing strength and endurance first. Pushing your strength up to 40 quick is important with a strength build in order to allow you to use the heaviest strength weapons 1 handed, though I haven't put much thought into which of those are the best. Obviously, you'll also need high endurance because those weapons are so heavy, and you'll need the weight allowance to weild them with a shield and a decent set of armor.

I wouldn't dismiss Dex out of hand, Dexterity scales well with a lot of weapons, both melee and ranged. Namely bows, daggers, spears, Katanas and curved swords, Dex also providing decent versatility. But there's not much point in putting lots of points into Dex and strength.

Faith builds also can work well, particularly when you remember all the good spells Faith get (including healing, which is great if you're playing co-op).

However, I don't think Faith gets as good weapon scaling as Intelligence does, most Divine weapons max at C or B scaling. It does provide bonus damage from Divine, however. Faith spells are also arguably better then Magic, because they have a wider variety of effects.

I think a good build for Faith might be to focus on Faith and Endurance, with enough strength or dex to wield your favoured weapon. Vitality is not that required.
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Old 2012-06-02, 08:16   Link #77
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Oh, hell yes. I just hope my character isn't too OP for this.. because if he is, I'll probably make a new character for this place.



I was wondering what happened to Artorias..
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Old 2012-06-02, 09:27   Link #78
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Awesome. Time for me to die a bit more!
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Old 2012-06-02, 17:20   Link #79
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I still play this game since the first day it released!
now the online is so much better than before
if someone wants to play with me add me : UltimateZio
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Eh I sold my copy a while back. I'm all about Dragons Dogma now.
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