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Old 2012-01-27, 17:24   Link #161
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According to the A's manga, she was indeed a Kendo teacher(well, more like a Kendo instructor but it's almost the same xD).
That's the point.

If a blooded warrior who only knows how to "get close and cut things to pieces" can become an instructor for a non-lethal sport, Zafira can leverage his Fist of the Guardian Style / Strike Arts into a karate instructor job.

And Arf will be one of his first students, because she wants to become better able to support Fate. The better her nonmagical hand-to-hand skills are, the less she needs to rely on Fate's mana for combat spells.

In turn, she can teach him her nonlethal capture and attack spells, which will serve him well in this era of relative peace.
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Old 2012-01-27, 17:44   Link #162
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^ That's actually a good idea, especially considering that both have strong bases in that areas:

Arf is no slouch at unarmed hand-to-hand combat, as demonstrated during Season 1 against Chrono and again in A's while facing Zafira(it's true she was on the receiving end of most of Zafira's punches and kicks but still show guts and skill in fighting him xD). While Zafari also have experience acting as a shield for his comrades and have knowledge of some basic restraining spells, he also learned how to adapt his Steel Yoke speel to restrict the target's moves(as we've seen when he captured Otto).

By the way i don't know if Zafira started his carrer as a Martial Arts instructor in Uminari or he does only after moving to Mid-childa?
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Old 2012-01-27, 18:43   Link #163
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Zafira's job on earth was being a bodyguard for Hayate. Guardian beast 'n all that.
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Old 2012-01-27, 18:53   Link #164
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Zafira's job on earth was being a bodyguard for Hayate. Guardian beast 'n all that.
IIRC he still has that job on Mid-Childa(how good or dedicated he's in accomplishing that is another matter entirely xDU).
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Old 2012-01-27, 18:57   Link #165
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Now it's part-time though, he's spending a lot of time teaching kids. 'sides, just like Fate, Hayate became a lot stronger. She's no longer a cripple kid who needs to be watched over constantly.
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Old 2012-01-27, 19:00   Link #166
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Now it's part-time though, he's spending a lot of time teaching kids. 'sides, just like Fate, Hayate became a lot stronger. She's no longer a cripple kid who needs to be watched over constantly.
yet she's still a Glass Cannon with slouch close combat abilities. Having a martial arts expert like him close sure could come in handy while assaulted by a katana wielding mercenary xDU.
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Old 2012-01-27, 19:01   Link #167
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You'd think her constantly being surrounded, oh I don't know, with some of the best mages the Bureu has to offer would be enough. But no. She has to be stricken down by the plothammer.
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Old 2012-01-27, 19:11   Link #168
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Not to mention that being a glass cannon doesn't make you weak, there's a very wide variety of tactics to use to survive and win. It's just that plot demanded she went down.
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Old 2012-01-27, 19:21   Link #169
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What could she use, considering she's entirely restricted to big flashy spells that take a while to charge and can't really be aimed precisely?

I'm more interested in why Caro wasn't there. Voltaire could have been a good distraction at the very least.
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Old 2012-01-27, 19:27   Link #170
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he also learned how to adapt his Steel Yoke speel to restrict the target's moves(as we've seen when he captured Otto).
I'm fairly sure Steel Yoke has always been capable of nonlethally capturing someone.

But I'm also fairly sure that it's very inefficient at doing so, especially against targets in the air.


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I'm more interested in why Caro wasn't there. Voltaire could have been a good distraction at the very least.
According to some source I don't remember, Voltaire doesn't come when called except when the need is truly urgent.

Recall that both times he was summoned, it was to fight an army or another kaiju.

By comparison, the Huckebein are a smaller threat, and Caro would be the one picking a fight with them when they would otherwise leave her and hers alone.
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Old 2012-01-27, 19:34   Link #171
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Or maybe its just because Voltaire is a magical creature that uses magic that's useless against nigh-invincible anti-magic mercenaries who can obliterate entire buildings without much effort, also backed by gigantic anti-magic starship, and Caro didn't want him getting killed uselessly.
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I thought it was because Caro was upset that first time. An army of Gadget Drones is still only Gadget Drones.

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Or maybe its just because Voltaire is a magical creature that uses magic that's useless against nigh-invincible anti-magic mercenaries who can obliterate entire buildings without much effort, also backed by gigantic anti-magic starship, and Caro didn't want him getting killed uselessly.
Yeah, he couldn't magic them, but he's still a really big dragon, and Hayate's plan amounted to 'threaten to smash the ship' too. It wouldn't work out so well in the long term, but for what her plan was, it woulda helped. I doubt they would have been able to kill him all that easily either - scales, size, and all that.
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Old 2012-01-27, 19:42   Link #173
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Or maybe its just because Voltaire is a magical creature that uses magic that's useless against nigh-invincible anti-magic mercenaries who can obliterate entire buildings without much effort, also backed by gigantic anti-magic starship, and Caro didn't want him getting killed uselessly.
Maybe his magical fire beams are useless(still debatably as the implact and explosive kinetic force are enough to affect the area surrounding the attack) but he have a very physical mass that can be put into good use. Voltaire isn't a familiar, he's a summon, in other words, a very real, breathing. living colossal humanoid dragon. Seeing at how the Hucks pissed their pants for an inert mountain of ice, i guess voltaire could at the very least being a very troublesome distraction for them.

He was absent more likely for plot convenience. The battle could be much more complicated with his prescence.

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What could she use, considering she's entirely restricted to big flashy spells that take a while to charge and can't really be aimed precisely?
It's specially jarring since Zafira's only duty in Section Six is bodyguarding Hayate and when the only time where he can fulfill his role finally comes he's nowhere to be seen xDU. Those are the times where one can expect him to live up to his assignation and fight the agressor, or at the very least taking the bullet for Hayate xDU.
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Old 2012-01-27, 20:12   Link #174
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The glacier was a threat because if its thrown its going to cause damage no matter what, and because Hayate can easily rebuild it if something breaks it.

No one can rebuild Voltaire if someone breaks him. Wasn't worth the risk.
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Old 2012-01-27, 20:22   Link #175
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I thought it was because Caro was upset that first time. An army of Gadget Drones is still only Gadget Drones.
And an army of gadget drones is a real problem when there's no one else left to fight them.
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They also couldn't rebuild Hayate if something happened to her, which it did. And they had no reason to believe the Huckebein wouldn't just kill them.
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And we're back to arguing hypothetical circumstance because people don't like the canon...
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Back to making me a strawman who hates everything in this story irrationally just 'cause, I see.

Why were Vita and Erio posted near her if it was a hypothetical situation?
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Old 2012-01-29, 21:42   Link #179
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Zafira's job on earth was being a bodyguard for Hayate. Guardian beast 'n all that.
Well, what if Yuuno was sent to live with Hayate, as part of the Scrya Clan insisting he go to school with other kids his age?

Hayate started attending Nanoha and Fate's school after A's. Yuuno could walk with / wheel her to school each day.

It would earn less odd looks than her dog walking with her, and then walking about on his own. Or get less questions about who that tall, dark-skinned gaijin is.

Between his defensive and teleportation powers, he'd be able to do at least as well in protecting Hayate as Zafira.


This is also the time that Hayate began working on creating Reinforce Zwei, and mentioning asking Yuuno for help. If he's staying in her house, he's more available to help her to do so.

A service which would help him feel like his pulling his own weight in return for his stay.

Oh, and he could also help her with her magical training, if Reinforce's "lessons" left her less clear on the underlying principles for how magic works.
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Old 2012-01-30, 03:14   Link #180
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^ Why replacing Zafira is a need? If Yuuno comes and Zafira remains a bodyguard then the Young Scrya librarian will have more liberty to do his job as Hayate's advisor more freely. Also will help that Zafira will be a much more obvious bodyguard which will help Yuuno conceal his superb defensive powers for a key moment xD.

About the "scary wolf thing" Zafira is also able to adopt a puppy form just like Arf xD.
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