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View Poll Results: Macross Frontier: Sayonara no Tsubasa Movie Rating
Perfect 10 40 42.11%
9 out of 10 : Excellent 33 34.74%
8 out of 10 : Very Good 12 12.63%
7 out of 10 : Good 5 5.26%
6 out of 10 : Average 3 3.16%
5 out of 10 : Below Average 2 2.11%
4 out of 10 : Poor 0 0%
3 out of 10 : Bad 0 0%
2 out of 10 : Very Bad 0 0%
1 out of 10 : Painful 0 0%
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Old 2012-01-16, 05:01   Link #3661
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I don't get what is the big deal in who wrote the screen play and who directed because in the end the movies and anime are over. Whats done is done. :/ They wanted to end the movies and anime like they did and there is nothing we can do about it.
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Old 2012-01-16, 05:16   Link #3662
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I don't get what is the big deal in who wrote the screen play and who directed because in the end the movies and anime are over. Whats done is done. :/ They wanted to end the movies and anime like they did and there is nothing we can do about it.
Some people cannot accept what was the ultimate outcome and just have to find ways to delegitimize the story. Be it via finding that one of the writers isn't to their liking or by basically rewriting the ending to be more aligned to what they made up in their own minds long ago.


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On another note, Aquarion EVOL's third episode was fantastic. The OP captures that certain Macross Frontier je-ne-sais-quois perfectly. The show itself is laugh-out funny and highly energetic. I recommend to everyone who was a fan of MF to check it out. No character as good as Sheryl, sadly. But the male lead is not the typical anime wussy male protagonist, but rather quite charming.
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Old 2012-01-28, 13:02   Link #3663
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Tak......?
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Old 2012-01-28, 15:31   Link #3665
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Why bother buying the cheap replica, I have an entire wardrobe of military uniforms, camouflage and other accessories to pump it up to eleven and beyond

For example, we can start with a white Imperial Prussian uniform...

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Is it wrong of me to want to see this?
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Old 2012-01-28, 22:35   Link #3667
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Finally watched this. It was awesome. The visuals, the soundtrack, the singing... all of it.

I really liked the prison scene. Love Bomber was great. Michael and Klan were awesome like that. Good stuff. I was ready to cheer that Luca died, but he wasn't that bad in the movies. But he lived. And then Sheryl. I was ready to get my Darth Vader Noo out but there was no way they'd kill her and my suspicion with Ai-kun turned out to be right anyway.

I knew Sheryl would win... I mean, how could she not since Sheryl >> Rank.

What a bittersweet ending though. Oh man... I guess it was the fairest way to end it since Ranka would have been crushed (like Minmay who went bananas lol). Still, I wish we had something after the credits.

EDIT: And little Sheryl was HHNNGGGHHH.

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Old 2012-01-29, 02:36   Link #3668
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Besides us knowing that Alto will return one day, thanks to Kawamori, Ranka pretty much already knew in the movie that it wouldn't work out, IMO. And when she was rejected at her confession, she took it surprisingly well.
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Old 2012-01-29, 04:47   Link #3669
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Besides us knowing that Alto will return one day, thanks to Kawamori
Well, Kawamori didn't say it directly (and most likely he will never do it) but it's hinted, at least that's something, right?.

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What a bittersweet ending though. Oh man... I guess it was the fairest way to end it since Ranka would have been crushed (like Minmay who went bananas lol). Still, I wish we had something after the credits.

EDIT: And little Sheryl was HHNNGGGHHH.
Ranka from the series would have been crushed, but this ranka is stronger and more mature so I think she would be fine.
By the way, after watching the movie I would reccomend to read this article (or was it an interview? i don't remember) that Karice kindly translated.
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Old 2012-01-29, 05:20   Link #3670
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Well, Kawamori didn't say it directly (and most likely he will never do it) but it's hinted, at least that's something, right?.
As far as I am aware, he pretty much outfront stated that he was confused that people thought the ending bittersweet. Yeah, he never outright said "Alto is coming back", but you'd have to deliberately want to misunderstand if you couldn't take the hint.
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Old 2012-01-29, 05:34   Link #3671
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I'd have to agree with Dash that it's just a hint.

Kawamori only stated that he was confused that people thought that Alto had died. He clarified that he'd folded, but whatever happens from then on is up to everyone's imagination.

If you take into account what the three of them say at the start of the film, it really could go either way. And I think everyone should make up their own minds about it.
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Old 2012-01-29, 06:21   Link #3672
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Old 2012-01-29, 09:39   Link #3673
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I didn't think he died. But whether or not he came back... when? I think they should have shown him sneaking in to see Sheryl and her opening her eyes. At least something!!
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Old 2012-01-30, 00:22   Link #3674
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The fact that Sheryl wakes up and the her and Ranka have a concert means Alto came back. Notice the final scene of Sheryl in the credit box. Her mouth moves and the earring shines.
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Pretty much that.
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The fact that Sheryl wakes up and the her and Ranka have a concert means Alto came back. Notice the final scene of Sheryl in the credit box. Her mouth moves and the earring shines.
This is the most logical conclusion, or at least the one that I have seen most people to come to.

While I agree with Karice that it's up to the viewer's interpretation, it's not like Kawamori would point out those hints, or even put them in the movie without some purpose.
And he didn't talk about them just in that animedia article, in the interview from the "Kiss in the Galaxy" manga he even goes into further detail, saying that people need to put attention to what ranka says in the epilogue and to that little video in the credits in which apparently even the order of the scenes has some kind of meaning (I still don't get it though ).

Other example are the two little hints from the "Sheryl Visual Collection final", the first one is that image of Sheryl waking up with Alto, and the other the ending of the "A Day in Alcatraz" story.
I know these are more fanservice than hints, or that they are not as important as what it's in the movie or what Kawamori says, but the point is that the possibility is there and is high, and it's not just some fanfiction conclusion made up by fans.
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Old 2012-01-30, 03:29   Link #3677
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The fact that Sheryl wakes up and the her and Ranka have a concert means Alto came back. Notice the final scene of Sheryl in the credit box. Her mouth moves and the earring shines.
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And he didn't talk about them just in that animedia article, in the interview from the "Kiss in the Galaxy" manga he even goes into further detail, saying that people need to put attention to what ranka says in the epilogue and to that little video in the credits in which apparently even the order of the scenes has some kind of meaning (I still don't get it though ).

Other example are the two little hints from the "Sheryl Visual Collection final", the first one is that image of Sheryl waking up with Alto, and the other the ending of the "A Day in Alcatraz" story.
I took all of that into account too when writing my previous post. On the other hand, the skits in the 'Merry Christmas Without You' concert are rather...ambiguous... Admittedly, that concert took place before the film was completed...but still...

Either way, I still think it's something that people can and should decide for themselves, rather than the rest of us trying to persuade them one way or the other.

To put it another way, if anyone asks me precisely what I think via VM or PM, I'm happy to tell. But I'm not putting it on the forum.
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Either way, I still think it's something that people can and should decide for themselves, rather than the rest of us trying to persuade them one way or the other.
I agree completely, but I think it's better and easier to form and opinion when you have more information, that's why I suggested DragoZERO to read the interviews and articles you have translated.
For example a large amount of latin-amerian and spanish fans think that Alto infact died at the end of the movie, because the information where Kawamori said that he folded with the vajras was not available for some of them.

If after all of that people think that Alto won't come back or that Sheryl will never wake up I won't try to persuade them, it's their opinion and i will respect it.

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To put it another way, if anyone asks me precisely what I think via VM or PM, I'm happy to tell. But I'm not putting it on the forum.
But isn't the purpose of being in a forum to chat, discuss and read the opinions of others to then form our own? but I kind of understand why you would prefer to do it that way.
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I agree completely, but I think it's better and easier to form and opinion when you have more information, that's why I suggested DragoZERO to read the interviews and articles you have translated.
Oh, I get that. That's why I translated them in the first place.

But I'd rather people not misrepresent what I (or others) have translated - e.g. Kawamori supposedly stating his surprise that 'people thought the ending bittersweet', or Yoshino supposedly saying that 'Alto chose Sheryl in the series'. As far as I'm aware, neither of these is true.


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But isn't the purpose of being in a forum to chat, discuss and read the opinions of others to then form our own? but I kind of understand why you would prefer to do it that way.
It's a tough one. In some cases, I would agree. But in the case of Frontier, I'm not going to say what I think because the explanation behind it is something I really think people would appreciate better if they came about it themselves.


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The fact that Sheryl wakes up and the her and Ranka have a concert means Alto came back.
is not necessarily true. It is entirely possible that Sheryl woke up without Alto returning. Optimists (and most romantics) will say that he did come back, others will say that he didn't. Based on the film alone, both views are plausible, though most people have definitely taken the optimistic view.
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But of course we need a hard realist to give us a downer all the time, because that makes things so much better. Right?
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