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Old 2012-02-07, 21:22   Link #21701
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Interesting..maybe, he want to create a new world? or something like this? where is all beautiful in his eyes?
and for it, he need of Moka power..and for this, tried to help Tsukune..because maybe if Alucard wakes up..maybe absorb Moka...and Goodbye Miyabi dream...

After read the last three chapters..i am only sure of once thing...the villains are increase..
Something like that. Gyokuro wants to purge the world of humans, and is willing to awaken Alucard and sacrifice Moka to do just that. The carnage that'll be wrought would be most unsightly to Miyabe, wouldn't it? So why would he need Moka for such an obscure goal? I'd rather not find out, though I fear we will after Akuha's defeated.

For now maybe, though I'm sure we'll be seeing some subtractions from the villain's roster very soon. Kuyou's going down, so is Gyokuro, and hopefully Akuha as well. I don't want her redeemed, I want her dead. She's done nothing to earn my sympathy, so redemption is out of the question for her. And none shall mourn her once she's gone.
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Old 2012-02-08, 01:17   Link #21702
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In previous chapter it is almost confirm that Yukari will be paired with Fong Fong, why i feel that this time Ikeda wants to put Mizore with Miyabi? Although i don't want that, i still want a harem trio: Moka (Outer and Inner), Kurumu and Mizore.

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a little off topic here.

Anyone seen this Your Future Waifu

http://shindanmaker.com/23295

used my real name I got Moka Akashiya, shocked it wasn't Mizore or Kurumu. Wonder who else has the name destined for an R+V girl.
Get Misato Katsuragi What a classic name...

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droll... She is sure still charming in every form
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Old 2012-02-09, 02:24   Link #21703
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Well, you might have a point in saying that Miyabi wants to create a "perfect world".

After all, we can't forget that Tsukune's and Moka's destiny is to change the world, and I can't shake the feeling that the events of the current arc, will actually be what puts that destiny into motion, especially after the reveal of the Masked King who wants to take control over the world.

Still, I doubt that Miyabi's vision of a "perfect world" is the same as what Tsukune and Moka want to achieve - after all judging from Miyabi's statements in the Yuki Onna arc, his idea of perfection is a world, where everything is under his control, and that's definitely not something that Tsukune and Moka want to achieve, which is why I still believe that Miyabi will still return to "villain" status, once his "common interests" with Tsukune are over - I mean rescuing Moka and most likely, preventing Alucard's resurrection.

Going back to the topic of the fight between Kuyou and Tsukune, I still think that something is going to change within Tsukune, due to that fight...

After all, if the purpose of that fight would only be to show how much progress Tsukune has made, Ikeda could very easily do it in the form of a flashback to one of Tohou Fuhai's and Tsukune's training sessions, but he didn't do that, and actually put Tsukune in a situation where he has to face some other pretty powerful opponent, which is the worst possible option, since Tsukune could get wounded and is definitely going to use up a considerable amount of his youkai energy to be able to defeat Kuyou on his own...

Overall, if the fight against Kuyou wouldn't give Tsukune any benefits, it would put him into a serious disadvantage against Akua, and apart from his vampire transformation I don't see anything that Tsukune would need to "upgrade"...

Of course, there is always the option that Tsukune became so ridiculously powerful that he needs those limits for Akua to have a reasonable chance of defeating him, but I believe that's less likely due to the fact that the training before the infiltration to Fairy Tale's HQ only lasted for a single month, and I doubt that Tohou Fuhai is a specialist, when it comes to the abilities that Shinso vampires posses...

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Old 2012-02-13, 10:47   Link #21704
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Going back to the topic of the fight between Kuyou and Tsukune, I still think that something is going to change within Tsukune, due to that fight...

After all, if the purpose of that fight would only be to show how much progress Tsukune has made, Ikeda could very easily do it in the form of a flashback to one of Tohou Fuhai's and Tsukune's training sessions, but he didn't do that, and actually put Tsukune in a situation where he has to face some other pretty powerful opponent, which is the worst possible option, since Tsukune could get wounded and is definitely going to use up a considerable amount of his youkai energy to be able to defeat Kuyou on his own...

Overall, if the fight against Kuyou wouldn't give Tsukune any benefits, it would put him into a serious disadvantage against Akua, and apart from his vampire transformation I don't see anything that Tsukune would need to "upgrade"...

Of course, there is always the option that Tsukune became so ridiculously powerful that he needs those limits for Akua to have a reasonable chance of defeating him, but I believe that's less likely due to the fact that the training before the infiltration to Fairy Tale's HQ only lasted for a single month, and I doubt that Tohou Fuhai is a specialist, when it comes to the abilities that Shinso vampires posses...
I have thought of the possibility that a deus ex machina, power-up or the finalization of Tsukune's transformation would take place during his and Kuyou's fight but this would most likely happen in his battle against Akua, in his current state i don't think Tsukune can fight on equal grounds with Akua just yet or perhaps he can we will just have to see.

The deus ex machina, power-up or transformation finalization is where Tsukune's Shinso blood will play a huge part in, i know of consequences that can happen as a result of this but these 3 options have a very high probability of happening, i can't help but get the impression that Ikeda is setting this up to happen.

This just all depends on what Tsukune has learned considering he is a fast learner and has the body of a splendid youjutsu user than he has probably has learned a LOT in just one month from Touhou Fuhai, i'd like to think that he can defeat Kuyou with ease but after seeing him taking a hit from Raika i thought at first this was a result of his lack in speed to avoid the attack but it was just him being caught off guard but i'm hoping this wasn't a sign of weakness in Tsukune.

Since Kuyou's stronger than Raika this will be a very promising preview of how far Tsukune has come, Kuyou was defeated easily in season I, judging from the timeline i'd say it's been about a year and a half since then and Kuyou has had all that that time to get stronger but Tsukune hasn't been sitting around either, but usually antagonists that come back for revenge suffer an easy defeat like how it was between Hitomi and Moka but only this time its Kuyou and Tsukune. Time to settle the score with that cocky fox.
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Old 2012-02-13, 14:02   Link #21705
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Then I guess you don't want to see any reasonable conclusion to the fight between Akua and Tsukune, because if Ikeda is actually aiming to "finalize" Tsukune's transformation, during the fight with Akua, it would also mean that we won't get any reasonable conclusion to the fight between Akua and Tsukune, since Alucard would be fully revived, and that would basically bring "chaos" to the whole situation... turning this into a struggle for survival, where Tsukune and the rest of the crew won't have anytime to think about continuing their fight with Akua along with saving Moka, since she's right in front of Alucard and would be his "first lunch" and I doubt Tsukune would be powerful enough to stop him from eating her, since he would have something else to worry about, at that moment... - like trying to retain his human consciousness, while he rampages around in his "berserk state".

In other words, any scenario where Alucard would be awakened is in my opinion a really BAD IDEA, and would quickly turn this arc into a mess (at least in my opinion), so unlike you I doubt that Ikeda is actually going to head in that direction...

I could see something like what you described Shinso Tsukune happening (the scenario where Tsukune finalizes his transformation, during his fight with Akua), if Tsukune's Shinso blood isn't enough to fully revive Alucard, but, well we don't know if something like that is possible, until Ikeda puts it into paper, after all Tsukune's case is a little "special" compared to an ordinary Shinso vampire, due to the fact that he was originally a human.
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Old 2012-02-13, 16:31   Link #21706
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Old 2012-02-13, 16:57   Link #21707
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Yes. Quite a few of them actually. This one's just more fun to discuss than the other ones.
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Old 2012-02-13, 18:18   Link #21708
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Then I guess you don't want to see any reasonable conclusion to the fight between Akua and Tsukune, because if Ikeda is actually aiming to "finalize" Tsukune's transformation, during the fight with Akua, it would also mean that we won't get any reasonable conclusion to the fight between Akua and Tsukune, since Alucard would be fully revived, and that would basically bring "chaos" to the whole situation... turning this into a struggle for survival, where Tsukune and the rest of the crew won't have anytime to think about continuing their fight with Akua along with saving Moka, since she's right in front of Alucard and would be his "first lunch" and I doubt Tsukune would be powerful enough to stop him from eating her, since he would have something else to worry about, at that moment... - like trying to retain his human consciousness, while he rampages around in his "berserk state".

In other words, any scenario where Alucard would be awakened is in my opinion a really BAD IDEA, and would quickly turn this arc into a mess (at least in my opinion), so unlike you I doubt that Ikeda is actually going to head in that direction...

I could see something like what you described Shinso Tsukune happening (the scenario where Tsukune finalizes his transformation, during his fight with Akua), if Tsukune's Shinso blood isn't enough to fully revive Alucard, but, well we don't know if something like that is possible, until Ikeda puts it into paper, after all Tsukune's case is a little "special" compared to an ordinary Shinso vampire, due to the fact that he was originally a human.
Well, i don't mind a reasonable conclusion between Tsukune and Akua but, that battle is a very important one so anything could happen and it could very well effect his Shinso power but i know how hazardous that is considering they will be doing battle in the same room as Alucard's partially awakened body, then again its like you said we still don't know if it's in sync with Alucard or not but i'm just saying that anything could happen.

As for the fight with Kuyou at first i didn't really see anything really happening except for it revealing Tsukune's growth but with that "transformation finalization" theory introduced, i have started to think the possibly that Tsukune having some sort of power-up between now and the time he reaches Akua, but then again a power-up has a very high chance of happening during his fight with her than his previous fights, unless something DOES happen before reaching Akua.

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Old 2012-02-13, 21:02   Link #21709
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On-topic: Seriously, team Tsukune needs to catch a break. I'm getting the vibe of, they're all gonna be exhausted once they reach vice-boss and final boss.
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In what form? Pics of this would help loads too.

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As per usual, because most shonen mangas like to do that to their characters to make them "grow" another notch to effectively end the conflict at the last boss.
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Old 2012-02-14, 02:16   Link #21711
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@Shinso Tsukune

Let's look at this from a different perspective, shall we...

Well, before I begin, it should be pretty obvious that I'm assuming that Tsukune
transforming into his "berserk state", along with the destruction of the Holy Lock he wears, are two of the "required steps" for Tsukune to "finalize" his vampire transformation.

So,what do you think Outer Moka is going to think, if she sees Tsukune transforming into his "new" berserk state, right in front of her ?

Since, she's put under tremendous pressure, in trying to prevent Alucard's resurrection (at least according to Akua's statement from chapter 46), the shock might be enough to cause her to slip in her concentration, which would cause Outer Moka to disappear... (just stating the worst case scenario) and naturally lead to Alucard's resurrection as well.

After all we know how much Tsukune means to Outer Moka (actually it's both of her personalities, but since currently Outer Moka is the "active" personality, I'm talking about her) and how she feels responsible for Tsukune's transformation - Obviously,I assume you remember what Outer Moka tried to do when Tsukune's powers went out of control for the first time, and I think that we agree that this time, Tsukune underwent an even more major change, since unlike the first stage of Tsukune's "berserk state", the second stage is a lot more "monstrous" and doesn't have any similarities to a human...

So, that's one of the reasons why I believe Ikeda should avoid a scenario where the finalization of Tsukune's transformation occurs during his fight with Akua - after all Outer Moka would have a less serious shock, if Tsukune is going to appear in front of her in a more "humanoid" form, and where he would be capable of reassuring her again that he doesn't blame her for his transformation, as well as , that it was his decision to bring his "vampire transformation" to it's current stage...

Naturally, I also assume that Tsukune's "final form" is going to be a lot different then the forms he assumed earlier - and obviously this form is going to be something that would reveal that Tsukune has inherited Akasha's (and Moka's) Shinso blood.

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Old 2012-02-14, 03:05   Link #21712
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Not to rain on your parade or anything, but I side with Chris38 on this one. Tsukune going berserk in Alucard's lair is way too dangerous, for reasons already stated. And remember how he pointed out how this arc might be going similarly to the final battle with Hokuto in season one? Hokuto inserted the Rosario, claimed victory, fought against Tsukune and Moka and lost. When everyone got to the altar, they realized the barrier had only been half released and was still salvageable. Look what's happening here: Alucard is rousing, Gyokuro makes her own "Mission Accomplished" statement, but it's not over. It could end the same way the Hokuto battle did, so let's be watchful from this point out.

As for this talk about Tsukune being "completed" during his fight with Kuyou, it made me wonder where I'd heard it before. Then I remembered, here: http://www.fanfiction.net/s/4666178/..._Baddest_Blood

You think Ikeda Akihisa reads fanfiction? With things taken from said fic as well as some of Ou Rex's fics, you gotta wonder sometimes. ^^;; Hopefully the battle with Kuyou in canon isn't nearly as horrifying as in the fic, Moka will not like Tsukune firing off a Giga Demonic Megiddo, that will not make her day. And for those interested in reading, when the actual fight begins, click here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lw4HD66CG1k I feel it makes great background music for the brawl. But maybe that's just me. ^^;; Anyway, can't wait for the next chapter.
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Old 2012-02-14, 03:15   Link #21713
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In previous chapter it is almost confirm that Yukari will be paired with Fong Fong, why i feel that this time Ikeda wants to put Mizore with Miyabi? Although i don't want that, i still want a harem trio: Moka (Outer and Inner), Kurumu and Mizore.


droll... She is sure still charming in every form
Agreed on that.


Speaking of Kurumu, she's in the 2012 WF. Probably one of the most attractive girls and figures.

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Not to rain on your parade or anything, but I side with Chris38 on this one. Tsukune going berserk in Alucard's lair is way too dangerous, for reasons already stated. And remember how he pointed out how this arc might be going similarly to the final battle with Hokuto in season one? Hokuto inserted the Rosario, claimed victory, fought against Tsukune and Moka and lost. When everyone got to the altar, they realized the barrier had only been half released and was still salvageable. Look what's happening here: Alucard is rousing, Gyokuro makes her own "Mission Accomplished" statement, but it's not over. It could end the same way the Hokuto battle did, so let's be watchful from this point out.

As for this talk about Tsukune being "completed" during his fight with Kuyou, it made me wonder where I'd heard it before. Then I remembered, here: http://www.fanfiction.net/s/4666178/..._Baddest_Blood

You think Ikeda Akihisa reads fanfiction? With things taken from said fic as well as some of Ou Rex's fics, you gotta wonder sometimes. ^^;; Hopefully the battle with Kuyou in canon isn't nearly as horrifying as in the fic, Moka will not like Tsukune firing off a Giga Demonic Megiddo, that will not make her day. And for those interested in reading, when the actual fight begins, click here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lw4HD66CG1k I feel it makes great background music for the brawl. But maybe that's just me. ^^;; Anyway, can't wait for the next chapter.
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Let's look at this from a different perspective, shall we...

Well, before I begin, it should be pretty obvious that I'm assuming that Tsukune
transforming into his "berserk state", along with the destruction of the Holy Lock he wears, are two of the "required steps" for Tsukune to "finalize" his vampire transformation.

So,what do you think Outer Moka is going to think, if she sees Tsukune transforming into his "new" berserk state, right in front of her ?

Since, she's put under tremendous pressure, in trying to prevent Alucard's resurrection (at least according to Akua's statement from chapter 46), the shock might be enough to cause her to slip in her concentration, which would cause Outer Moka to disappear... (just stating the worst case scenario) and naturally lead to Alucard's resurrection as well.

After all we know how much Tsukune means to Outer Moka (actually it's both of her personalities, but since currently Outer Moka is the "active" personality, I'm talking about her) and how she feels responsible for Tsukune's transformation - Obviously,I assume you remember what Outer Moka tried to do when Tsukune's powers went out of control for the first time, and I think that we agree that this time, Tsukune underwent an even more major change, since unlike the first stage of Tsukune's "berserk state", the second stage is a lot more "monstrous" and doesn't have any similarities to a human...

So, that's one of the reasons why I believe Ikeda should avoid a scenario where the finalization of Tsukune's transformation occurs during his fight with Akua - after all Outer Moka would have a less serious shock, if Tsukune is going to appear in front of her in a more "humanoid" form, and where he would be capable of reassuring her again that he doesn't blame her for his transformation, as well as , that it was his decision to bring his "vampire transformation" to it's current stage...

Naturally, I also assume that Tsukune's "final form" is going to be a lot different then the forms he assumed earlier - and obviously this form is going to be something that would reveal that Tsukune has inherited Akasha's (and Moka's) Shinso blood.

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I understand completely where yall are coming from and i agree. Berserk transformation near Alucard = BAD IDEA, i know that both Omote and Ura would feel guilty and be pressured if they witnessed his form but i believe that in such an unlikely event they would go to great lengths to get their "destined man" back.

As for the finalization of Tsukune's transformation AKA Tsukune reaching his "final form" i imagined it happening as a result of Tsukune going into his Shinso monster form as a catalyst to reach his "final form" or he will probably reach his final form without the need for that Shinso monster form. I just wonder how Ikeda is going to play it out and what his final form will look like.
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Old 2012-02-14, 12:35   Link #21715
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Old 2012-02-14, 13:50   Link #21716
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Damn... this is starting to further the idea that the reason why 2012 is supposed to be the "end of the world" is because free information and trade will be lost among the internet... but that's another story for another thread

So unless another group picks it up, I guess this is even more incentive to keep pursuing my studies of Japanese (the funny thing is, this series is one of the ones that started my incentive in the first place...)
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Old 2012-02-14, 14:12   Link #21717
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This is an unfortunate series of events for all fans, scanlators and translators who love this series, though i am sadden by this hopefully someone will be able to pick up where Muda left off, but who knows how long that will be so i pray itle be soon, however we have other series we can continue reading until that time comes.
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Old 2012-02-14, 15:26   Link #21718
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That's some really sad news. Hopefully some other group will pick it up and continue working on it, in a similar quality that Muda did...
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Old 2012-02-14, 16:21   Link #21719
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Man, that's rough. And Muda provided some real quality work, too. I'm hoping another group picks it up soon, and gives it the same treatment Muda did. For The Halibut definitely would, though after what happened at MangaStream, I think they're gonna be lying low for a while, as will everyone else. But, as long as we can be patient, another group will pick it up. So this isn't over, not by a longshot.
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Old 2012-02-14, 16:49   Link #21720
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Well, if this series is going to be on hiatus until someone picks it up than i'll just stick to the summaries and raws.
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