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Old 2012-02-22, 21:03   Link #61
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Lebannon, Jordan, and Israel also have borders with Syria
I thought Lebanon and Jordan hated Westerners. Israel isn't very easy about their borders - they shoot anyone coming near them.
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Old 2012-02-23, 00:52   Link #62
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I thought Lebanon and Jordan hated Westerners. Israel isn't very easy about their borders - they shoot anyone coming near them.
Jordan is a Western ally, has been from the first; the government is definitely pro-Western. Lebanon went through a lot, but there's always a pro-Western faction in there (it's a ridiculously diverse and sectarian place for a tiny region; think your own Singapore, except considerably more...potentially violent). A very sizable part of the population outright despise Syria and Assad in particular for his dynasty's meddling in their tragic civil war and the recent Syrian attempts to assert its dominance against the popular, anti-Syrian "Cedar Revolution" movement.

I'm actually curious what the Lebanese are thinking about the civil war unleashed across their borders. Schadenfreude? Solidarity? Grave worries of spillovers? ROFLMAO? Die Assad die?


But Syria's got a long border anyway. Get in a truck and ride across the desert if you want to try. Tell the rebels you're there to expose the evil government or something, hope you don't run into veteran Islamist militants from Iraq, and hide if you see government soldiers. It's not impossible for experienced journalists with enough crazy or conviction to go through with it.

Problem is, nobody guarantees you'll live through it.

But I think they're doing noble work, if not entirely sane. Someone must be there to observe, remember, and record the, face it, mass graves and atrocities. A civil war is never kind...


Even so, die already Assad. Someone's got a stray cruise missile to spare they accidentally let loose?
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Old 2012-02-23, 01:06   Link #63
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I can't say about Jordan's people, but their King is definately pro-Western. They are making a Star Trek theme park on I think the Jordan River. He had a walk on role in Star Trek: Voyager when he was still a prince (non-union so he couldn't have a speaking role). About the only time I think there were not pro-Western was over Israel around 1967. Since then they've handed over the West Bank in 1988 to the PLO and basically said "good luck, and don't come back".
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Old 2012-02-23, 04:42   Link #64
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Even so, die already Assad. Someone's got a stray cruise missile to spare they accidentally let loose?
That could probably be a solution but nobody will do this; too much international backlash, plus it isn't as removing the guy would stop the violence overnight.
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Old 2012-02-23, 09:30   Link #65
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Even so, die already Assad. Someone's got a stray cruise missile to spare they accidentally let loose?
Here is a Mideast logic :

Advanced weapons = American

Assassination = Jew

Murder/Genocide = Bad Muslim

Doesn't agree with me = Infidel

So you see, firing a cruise missile either means American, Jew, Infidel or any combination of the three.
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Old 2012-02-25, 15:12   Link #66
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Saw a video report a while back from a journalist that managed to sneak in from the turkish boarder.So it is possible,but definatly quite risky.
Some have already paid with their lives sadly. But things are really starting to heat up now, The Arab Spring, Israel threatening or supposedly threatening attack on Iran, Iran allegedly close to having an operational Nuclear Weapon, US-Iran Relations getting even more sour with the rise in gas prices and the Syrian Uprising, the situation seems like a war may break out. I hope it doesn't happen but it just looks like were getting closer to that point
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Old 2012-02-25, 15:35   Link #67
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If any one starts it it will likely be Isreal.

Even then I don't think the American populace at large will be gung ho about it, but we will resign to our normally "gotta protect" gears and the Isreal lobby will SCREAM BLOODY MURDER if we do not aid them.

On Syria, as long as Damascus is quiet, what is there to be done? Not every faction is against Assad, far from it and we really all know that the US isn't about to put boots on the ground.
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Old 2012-02-25, 18:32   Link #68
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Unless someone can convince Russia/China to stop using their veto against major actions/decisions then I don't see how this situation will change. It is possible to convince Russia/China not to veto as both nations wanted to veto against Libya action but Britain, France and later the US persuaded the two nations to abstain from the vote. Then again with Libya: Britain and France had oil to motivate them into convincing Russia/China that vetoing was not the right thing to do. In the case of Syria no such motivation exists so it is less likely any powerful nations will twist Russia or China's arm to abstain. Plus Assad still has quite a few friends and until they are eliminated in some shape or form the unfortunate status quo will remain.
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Old 2012-02-25, 18:36   Link #69
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China/Russia are just using their veto powers to show the rest of the world that they are powerfully relevant. Besides, Russia has got tons of arms deals with Assad, and China has got investment in Syria.

Letting US seize both the money-making opportunities is a no-no for them.
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Old 2012-02-25, 18:39   Link #70
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Syria assails Saudi over arming opposition calls

"Syria lashed out at Saudi Arabia on Saturday, a day after the kingdom's foreign
minister backed the idea of arming the rebels fighting President Bashar Assad's
regime, accusing Riyadh of becoming "a partner" in the bloodshed in Syria.

The sharp riposte from Damascus, which was published in a state-run newspaper,
came as activists said at least 77 people were killed across the country and regime
forces pounded rebel-held neighborhoods in the central city of Homs."

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http://www.newsday.com/news/nation/s...alls-1.3556538
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Old 2012-02-25, 18:51   Link #71
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China/Russia are just using their veto powers to show the rest of the world that they are powerfully relevant. Besides, Russia has got tons of arms deals with Assad, and China has got investment in Syria.

Letting US seize both the money-making opportunities is a no-no for them.
But surely if Russia and China just wanted to flex their muscles regardless of what others said then they could have made that point with Libya. It would have had an even more dramatic effect as two (then three) members of the UN security council were very actively lobbying against strike action. Unlike with Syria, Britain and France were really going out on a limb to stop that conflict and not only them but Italy and other European countries who had interests in Libyan oil were pushing to end the conflict and bring that oil back online. Saying no despite all that would be a true show of force. However that would have come at a cost of angering big players. China and Russia are certainly powerful but they do have to listen to some degree. They are not superpowers just yet.
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Old 2012-02-26, 03:05   Link #72
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Russia has a base in Syria, correct?
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Old 2012-02-26, 11:15   Link #73
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I heard that Russia had a naval base in Syria in 2008. Although I'm not quite sure myself, or if the naval base is still there.
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Old 2012-02-26, 12:04   Link #74
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According to the BBC, Russia has a navy base at the port of Tartus:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-16797818
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Old 2012-02-27, 14:07   Link #75
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Dozens of Syrian soldiers 'defect to Iraqi Kurdistan':

"Iraqi Kurdistan said on Monday it has granted refugee status to 30 Kurdish
Syrian troops who defected to the region in the first such instance in the revolt
against Bashar al-Assad's regime."

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http://www.france24.com/en/20120227-...raqi-kurdistan


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Qatar Favors Arming Syrian Opposition: PM:

"Qatar’s prime minister said Feb. 27 he was in favor of delivering arms to the
Syrian opposition that is battling President Bashar al-Assad’s regime.

“We should do whatever necessary to help them, including giving them weapons
to defend themselves,” Sheikh Hamad bin Jassim Al-Thani said during an official
visit to Norway."

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http://www.defensenews.com/article/2...M?odyssey=tab|
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Old 2012-02-27, 14:25   Link #76
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Syria approves new constitution amid bloodshed
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...8DB0BH20120227
As if the result had any credibility, given the current situation.
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Old 2012-03-07, 17:29   Link #77
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Syria news.

Under cover of the night, Syrians cross into safety:

"Each night, across this river and all along the border, new secrets of the
bloodshed in Syria arrive. Rickety wooden boats ferry a stream of people, some
walking and some wounded, to the safety of Turkey, on a flight from cities and
villages racked by fighting."

See:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/46650656...ew_york_times/



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Are Western Special Operators Already Inside Syria?:

"Western special operators may well be on the ground in Syria covertly conducting reconnaissance missions and training rebels fighting the regime of Bashar al Assad, much like Western SOF troops did in Libya last year, according to the STRATFOR documents that were recently published by Wikileaks."

See:

http://defensetech.org/2012/03/06/ar...-inside-syria/


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General: Syrian air defense complicates US options:

"The advanced air defense weapons Russia has provided to Syria's regime would
make it difficult to establish a no-fly zone there as part of an effort to help the
rebellion, the top U.S. commander in the Middle East told senators Tuesday."

See:

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/ar...s_iran_threat/


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Syria to keep seat on UN human rights committee?:

"U.N. cultural agency UNESCO is set to condemn Syria at its executive board
meeting on Wednesday but fall short of Western and Arab hopes of expelling it
from its human rights committee, according to a draft resolution obtained by
Reuters."

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http://worldnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news...ghts-committee
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Old 2012-03-12, 19:37   Link #78
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For thoses than can understand french ( or not) :
Pourquoi Netanyahou soutient implicitement Assad ( Why Netanyahou implicitly support Assad)
http://www.rue89.com/2012/03/12/pour...t-assad-230132
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Old 2012-03-13, 10:14   Link #79
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The western media outlets (those the likes of CNN, BBC, Reuters, and now Al Jazeera) have a record of giving voice to one side, and silencing the other. Some even went to lows of forging evidence. Consequently, we have recently witnessed resignations of staff from Al Jazeera over bias directed at the Arab Spring.

For Russia, Libya was of little economical and geopolitical interest, thus they decided to leave it to its fate, and at the same time study UN and NATO further actions, in order to establish a firmer grip on Syria.
This of course by no means justifies the no-fly zone, which indeed is a military intervention into a sovereign state. A state which has not attacked its neighbors or any NATO member, for that matter. And those who attempt to justify US and NATO actions in Libya, are siding with a force which has destroyed the country's infrastructure, caused deaths of innocents and dubbed them as "collateral damage", and has promoted an un-democratically elected leadership, which now is forced to deal with a situation when several of the country's important regions are seeking partial or complete independence from the central government.

Syria is of great interest to Russia, not just because of a naval base, which is Russia's only link to the Mediterranean, but because Syria is an Iranian ally and poses important geopolitical significance to those opposing the constantly expanding NATO block.

US and European "democrats" became hesitant about imposing a no-fly zone right after Russian and Iranian military ships paid a brief visit to Syria. Their stay wasn't long and, in a sense, mysterious it would be fair to assume the packages have reached their destination.

The resolution which has received Russia's and China's veto and caused an uproar in the media was strategically important, as it called for government forces to cease fire and withdraw. This scenario has already been played out in Yugoslavia, when the government forces were forced to lay down their arms and abandon their positions, letting the KLA easily seize control of the area. In Syria, such a scenario would be catastrophic. Firstly, because the opposition is divided among itself, unlike the government troops and police, who act as a unified force, and secondly, because the opposition isn't big enough to account for controlling half of the country. Giving the FSA more ground would only increase security risks. And I'm even not mentioning the reports of the FSA shooting civilians.

Russia's refusal to cease arms' trade with Syria is obvious. And no, it's not because Syria accounts for half of Russia's economy (which some probably believe). But because the FSA is also receiving arms from abroad, and this isn't even debatable.

As for Syria's probable future, its fate will be decided in the following months, depending on the internal political situations within Russia and Iran, and the west's level of despair to push forth with its agenda, before it's too late.
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Old 2012-03-17, 19:33   Link #80
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Sexy photo in hacked Assad e-mails causes comment
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