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Old 2012-02-22, 15:32   Link #3941
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In ViVid, Fate reacts to Vivio's Adult Mode as if she encountered her in Sankt Kaiser attire before. But she didn't, did she?
No, she didn't. If anything, she'd examined the footage of the battle between her and Nanoha to understand it's full power. Her little breakdown was likely worry about possible loss of physical control that Vivio experienced with it.
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Old 2012-02-26, 18:00   Link #3942
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Or the transformation sequence, which is still debatable if its visible to each other.
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Old 2012-03-01, 08:02   Link #3943
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Has there been any new insight on the nature of Knights Armor? The shape, the materials(since they can't be just garments, even enchanted ones), it's pro's and con's and why nobody uses it anymore...
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Old 2012-03-01, 11:57   Link #3944
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Has there been any new insight on the nature of Knights Armor? The shape, the materials(since they can't be just garments, even enchanted ones), it's pro's and con's and why nobody uses it anymore...
It's mentioned that Knight Clothing allows for total freedom in mobility and makes the user slightly faster at the cost of a reduction in defense. Knight armor will go nice with a "Mighty Glacier" type wich probably explains the armor plates in Victoria's outfit in ViVid.

If anything, Vita should use one, she isn't a fast warrior like Signum and is very prone to being hit by attacks so the extra protection would benefit her fightstyle.
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Old 2012-03-01, 12:48   Link #3945
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We've only seen actual Knight's Armor in Vita's flashback in ViVid, IIRC. They didn't elaborate on it.
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Old 2012-03-01, 13:59   Link #3946
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I doubt the armor is made of actual physical materials. Most likely, it's solidified mana much like modern Barrier Jackets, but trading elasticity for even more durability.
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Old 2012-03-01, 18:08   Link #3947
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It's mentioned that Knight Clothing allows for total freedom in mobility and makes the user slightly faster at the cost of a reduction in defense.
Speaking of Knight Clothing, I always wondered how stripping using less garb allows faster movement. I mean, they're just cloth, right? The weight difference can't be that drastic.
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Old 2012-03-01, 18:12   Link #3948
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Speaking of Knight Clothing, I always wondered how stripping using less garb allows faster movement. I mean, they're just cloth, right? The weight difference can't be that drastic.
I guess Barrier Jackets are made out of mana... and if one runs out of mana without any clothes.... one'll be stark naked XD

I'll refer to Material Days for that one XD.
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Old 2012-03-01, 18:16   Link #3949
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Speaking of Knight Clothing, I always wondered how stripping using less garb allows faster movement. I mean, they're just cloth, right? The weight difference can't be that drastic.
If you're talking about Fate's Sonic Form it probably has to do more with how the energy is spent than how the clothes look.

Less clothes = Less Barriers = More Free mana for speed boost xD!

Or, alternatively, the cape and the knight-like robes get into Fate's way and thus getting rid of those make Fate faster and more agile.

The theory behind the Wolkenritter's knight clothing is that those are clothes designed to give them free mobility which could be reduced with the use of proper armor. There's also the fact that Hayate never intended to make clothes for actual combat as she forbbiden her knight from get into fights.

Which raises the question of why Hayate never improved their clothes once it becomes clear that they will fight numerous battles in the future xDU.
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Old 2012-03-01, 18:19   Link #3950
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Speaking of Knight Clothing, I always wondered how stripping using less garb allows faster movement. I mean, they're just cloth, right? The weight difference can't be that drastic.
Run outside with a winter coat, boots, gloves and a thick hat on your head on...

Then run outside with shorts, t-shirt and tennis shoes (if there's no snow where you live)

You'll see a big difference in your speed right there.
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Old 2012-03-01, 18:55   Link #3951
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Run outside with a winter coat, boots, gloves and a thick hat on your head on...

Then run outside with shorts, t-shirt and tennis shoes (if there's no snow where you live)

You'll see a big difference in your speed right there.
Fate never discarded her boots and gauntlet (the ones with noticeable weight), just some garments. So using your example the only difference is between running with winter coat and running with shorts and t-shirts.

And Fate can fly. Running will be slower when using bulkier pants, but leg movements doesn't matter much up there. I can understand if they claim that losing some garments makes her barrier-jacket less restrictive, allowing for more flexible body movements, but they explicitly stated "speed", which is a different thing.

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If you're talking about Fate's Sonic Form it probably has to do more with how the energy is spent than how the clothes look.

Less clothes = Less Barriers = More Free mana for speed boost xD!
But can't they just control their mana allocation? "Oh hey, I need more speed. Guess I'll reduce the amount of power I use on Protection and divert it for Flight instead."

Unless barrier-jackets have a minimum amount of mana they continuously leech to power their own barriers.

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Which raises the question of why Hayate never improved their clothes once it becomes clear that they will fight numerous battles in the future xDU.
Good question.
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Actually, it would seem that less clothing doesn't always equal faster speed. Caro's barrier jacket is also optimized for speed, like Erio and Fate's, but you wouldn't think it, given how much coverage it has.
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Or like in Material Days, Barrier Jackets are made out of mana, so there's no weight... (and using mana for defense to toughen the barrier jacket = less mana used for speed XD).
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and they use barriers for air dynamics, I'm sure
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Old 2012-03-01, 21:47   Link #3955
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But can't they just control their mana allocation? "Oh hey, I need more speed. Guess I'll reduce the amount of power I use on Protection and divert it for Flight instead."

Unless barrier-jackets have a minimum amount of mana they continuously leech to power their own barriers.
Maybe each layer of defence requires its own mana consumption. So you take away from that and feed it to speed?
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Actually, it would seem that less clothing doesn't always equal faster speed. Caro's barrier jacket is also optimized for speed, like Erio and Fate's, but you wouldn't think it, given how much coverage it has.
Wait, Caro's geared for speed too? Huh, I never knew. And that's right, Erio's a speedster too.

So...uh, why did Fate design Sonic Form that way, again? And please don't answer "fanservice, duh!" or the likes

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Or like in Material Days, Barrier Jackets are made out of mana, so there's no weight... (and using mana for defense to toughen the barrier jacket = less mana used for speed XD).
If that's the case, anti-magic and dispels should've been Nudifiers
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^ but they were wearing clothes so not really XD

Touma touched Vita with right hand.
Vita: Hah! Nothing ha- *strip* -ppened!
Touma: ......
Vita: .......
Touma: .....
Vita: DIE! Divine Punishment!
.... wait... nothing will happen like this if they were wearing clothes underneath.
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If that's the case, anti-magic and dispels should've been Nudifiers
About that, in the Nanohaverse normal clothes usually are hidden "somewhere" when a barrier jacket is casted and usually re-appear when the Barrier Jacket is de-activated.

If the Barrier Jacket is "dispelled" is logic to assume their normal clothes will re-appear again, if not, what will happen with those? Where their physical mass will go xD?
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If the Barrier Jacket is "dispelled" is logic to assume their normal clothes will re-appear again, if not, what will happen with those? Where their physical mass will go xD?
For that, recall the first episode of A's when Vita almost killed Nanoha...
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About that, in the Nanohaverse normal clothes usually are hidden "somewhere" when a barrier jacket is casted and usually re-appear when the Barrier Jacket is de-activated.

If the Barrier Jacket is "dispelled" is logic to assume their normal clothes will re-appear again, if not, what will happen with those? Where their physical mass will go xD?
Clothing hyperspace (hidden in the depths of space).
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