Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei Light Novel Discussion

[Lexxus]

Spoiler for question:

I don't know where I read it or if I understand it clearly but I'll just say it anyway that the father is disowning or they were in bad terms with Tatsuya because he is weak or something. Now,

*First, I'm not sure if it was the father who said this
*Second, I'm not also sure if that's his reason
*Lastly, I don't have an idea if this question I'm asking was really for this series.

[whsie]

Originally Posted by Okashira

It's only a deduction, but...

Spoiler:

It looks like Tatsuya won't listen to anyone from his household and doesn't have a good relationship with anyone but Miyuki. Thus, if his household appoints Miyuki as the next head, there are chances that Tatsuya will stick along due to their close relationship, and thus he could be used as an asset to the family (which is obviously what they want).

This follows the idea that Miyuki will do what's she's told and what the family wants, of course. Also follows the idea that probably that Tatsuya wouldn't bother with his family at all sans Miyuki.

You are correct.

Spoiler for spoiler:

The Queen of Night appointed Miyuki as the next head because she needs to keep Tatsuya "that monster" in check. In effect, Miyuki is hostage.

Spoiler for Tatsuya's Welcoming Party':

Don't forget, Tatsuya fought off an entire army at the age of 13 (the Past Arc or Web 4). As such, the Four family is very well aware of the danger Tatsuya poses. And yes, in case it isn't obvious yet. Tatsuya is incredibly overpowered. Aside from combat, he's also the world's forefront CAD scientist. His alter-ego? Taurus Silver. He has a whole entire team of CAD scientists working for him at his father's company. In Web 2, the females for the first year dominated their opposition because they all had the latest CAD and equipment. It's like pitting a 1995 Compaq desktop vs. a Alienware computer today.

[Richocet]

Originally Posted by whsie

You are correct.

Spoiler for spoiler:

The Queen of Night appointed Miyuki as the next head because she needs to keep Tatsuya "that monster" in check. In effect, Miyuki is hostage.

Spoiler for Tatsuya's Welcoming Party':

Don't forget, Tatsuya fought off an entire army at the age of 13 (the Past Arc or Web 4). As such, the Four family is very well aware of the danger Tatsuya poses. And yes, in case it isn't obvious yet. Tatsuya is incredibly overpowered. Aside from combat, he's also the world's forefront CAD scientist. His alter-ego? Taurus Silver. He has a whole entire team of CAD scientists working for him at his father's company.

Wow he really is OP'd out, though I wonder if the author might later do something to balance him out...or mayb that's already been done??

[Valky]

Spoiler:

So basically his main enemy is his own family?

And about losing memories. How is he regain it back?

Is his two cousins strong btw?

[Richocet]

Originally Posted by Valky

Spoiler:

So basically his main enemy is his own family?

And about losing memories. How is he regain it back?

Is his two cousins strong btw?

Spoiler for what??:

he lost his memories? when was this said? I knw tht he lost his emotions bt memories?

[Valky]

Originally Posted by Richocet

Spoiler for what??:

he lost his memories? when was this said? I knw tht he lost his emotions bt memories?

Spoiler:

Ah my mistakes. It's emotions.

So I guess he's not stoic by default ..?

[Kleeyook]

Spoiler for Richocet:

I think you meant to say that Tatsuya lost his "emotion".

Umm, there are ten families that control Japan in this series, right?

What do you mean by "Five" family and "Four" family? Do you mean there are 5 families and 4 families oppose to each other?

Is family #1 the strongest or just being placed there?

[cyberdemon]

Originally Posted by Kleeyook

Spoiler for Richocet:

I think you meant to say that Tatsuya lost his "emotion".

Umm, there are ten families that control Japan in this series, right?

What do you mean by "Five" family and "Four" family? Do you mean there are 5 families and 4 families oppose to each other?

Is family #1 the strongest or just being placed there?

it means that each of those 10 families have numbers in their names:

Spoiler for numbers:

example: Shiba Tatsuya= shi is 4 in english
Saegusa Mayumi= uses the kanji for 7 in the family name

generally a numbered family are an indication of a magic blood lineage

[Okashira]

Originally Posted by cyberdemon

it means that each of those 10 families have numbers in their names:

Spoiler:

example: Shiba Tatsuya= Shi is 4 in japanese

No, this has been talked a lot before: Shiba Tatsuya uses -> 司波 and 達也 , of which none are a number kanji. erm.... Isn't that a spoiler that should be tagged?

About why they have a certain place, I think it was mentioned within the thread? I think that it was about importance and influence rather than something simple / dumb like power levels.

[whsie]

Originally Posted by Okashira

No, this has been talked a lot before: Shiba Tatsuya uses -> 司波 and 達也 , of which none are a number kanji. erm.... Isn't that a spoiler that should be tagged?

About why they have a certain place, I think it was mentioned within the thread? I think that it was about importance and influence rather than something dumb like power levels.

You are partially correct, BUT...

Spoiler for spoiler:

Tatsuya's surname was purposely named to sound phonetically similar to the word "Four" in Japanese. He's part of the "Four" clan, yet he doesn't have actual surname of the "Four" (四夜) clan (literal translation is Four Nights). That said, cyberdemon is correct about the student president. The student council president literally has the word "Seven" in her name just as the other clan members of the numbered families have the actual number in their name. For example, the student council president in the actual literal translation in Chinese will read like Qi Cao （七草） or Seven Grasses. Jumonji's last name reads like Shi Wen Zi （十文字） or Ten Scholarly Words. As you see, the actual number is in the name and that's how people recognize if a person is from a numbered family.

Spoiler for Clans:

You'll reach this really soon if you're reading the manga, but the number families are the most influential and powerful clans in the story. There are the ten primary clans (one through ten) and a set of subsidiary clans that are also numbered (e.g. Thousand). The strongest and most influential clan is "Seven", which is also the clan the student council president is in (I believe she is the daughter of the head). The one clan that rivals the "Seven" clan is the "Four" clan. The "Four" clan is also the most mysterious and dangerous clan. Few know little about the "Four" clan. Most that do know are dead because "Four" symbolizes "Death" (like Tatsuya's last name, "death" and "four" are phonetically similar in Japanese/Chinese). The "Four" clan is known in the world for it's small, but elite group of magicians. None of the magicians are below Combat-level (e.g. Miyuki is combat-level) and they're nearly untouchable because they monopolize CAD and weapons manufacturing. Other clans dominate different sectors of society. For example, one (I think the Ten clan) dominates the military sector.

A lot of the top dogs in the first four volume are from the number families. Unofficially, Miyuki and Tatsuya are part of the "Four" clan. The student council president is part of the "Seven" clan. Jumonji is the next in line for the "Ten" clan. Mori is an exception. The Crimson Prince in volume 4/web 2 is the next in line for the "One" clan.

EDIT: Clarification on Numbers in the name for the first spoiler.

[aigomorla]

@whsie

Spoiler:

wait... im confused more now... :X
if 7 and 4 are like rivals of each other, is that why the student councel went to him off the bat and started to get friendly?

Does she know he's the monster which was locked up in pandora's box? Or does she not know?

Also you didn't say if tatsuya got serious, no one in the school would be able to touch him? Tatsuya almost sounds like Rayner from Denshu with the analysis and decomposition aspect.

Finally i still dont see how miyuki can keep him in check. This is very dangerous for the 4 clan to do, because if they make a mistake, they can lose miyuki and tatsuya together.
True Tatsuya wont hurt his sister, but he really doesnt seem like the type to listen to her whims... and everything points out to her being terrified of her brother when he starts speaking out.
Basically the analogy i see is miyuki is a "Tick bird" which is known to sit on top of a rhino, and Tatsuya is the Rhino..
It only is allowed until the Rhino gets PO'd and then tells the bird to shoo....

[cyberdemon]

Originally Posted by aigomorla

@whsie

Spoiler:

wait... im confused more now... :X
if 7 and 4 are like rivals of each other, is that why the student councel went to him off the bat and started to get friendly?

Does she know he's the monster which was locked up in pandora's box? Or does she not know?

Also you didn't say if tatsuya got serious, no one in the school would be able to touch him? Tatsuya almost sounds like Rayner from Denshu with the analysis and decomposition aspect.

Finally i still dont see how miyuki can keep him in check. This is very dangerous for the 4 clan to do, because if they make a mistake, they can lose miyuki and tatsuya together.
True Tatsuya wont hurt his sister, but he really doesnt seem like the type to listen to her whims... and everything points out to her being terrified of her brother when he starts speaking out.
Basically the analogy i see is miyuki is a "Tick bird" which is known to sit on top of a rhino, and Tatsuya is the Rhino..
It only is allowed until the Rhino gets PO'd and then tells the bird to shoo....

Spoiler for family:

The way i see it, they could be fearful that he will eventually rebel and possibly overthrow the family with his enormous power and great dislike for his family. Putting her in charge of the family is like holding her hostage to force him to behave himself and do as they told him

[whsie]

Originally Posted by aigomorla

@whsie

Spoiler:

wait... im confused more now... :X
if 7 and 4 are like rivals of each other, is that why the student councel went to him off the bat and started to get friendly?

Does she know he's the monster which was locked up in pandora's box? Or does she not know?

Also you didn't say if tatsuya got serious, no one in the school would be able to touch him? Tatsuya almost sounds like Rayner from Denshu with the analysis and decomposition aspect.

Finally i still dont see how miyuki can keep him in check. This is very dangerous for the 4 clan to do, because if they make a mistake, they can lose miyuki and tatsuya together.
True Tatsuya wont hurt his sister, but he really doesnt seem like the type to listen to her whims... and everything points out to her being terrified of her brother when he starts speaking out.
Basically the analogy i see is miyuki is a "Tick bird" which is known to sit on top of a rhino, and Tatsuya is the Rhino..
It only is allowed until the Rhino gets PO'd and then tells the bird to shoo....

Spoiler for spoiler:

Like I said earlier, Tatsuya has to keep a low profile because he wants the others to avoid him. He doesn't want the others to know that he's part of the "Four" family. The "Four" family is supposed to be shrouded in complete mystery. By comparison, the other 9 clans are pretty open and even have an alliance of sort.

With this in mind, Tatsuya did not go around showing off his abilities. For example, at the 9 School Tournament (Web 2, Second Arc), he invented a completely new move that was to be recorded into the Archives. When given the chance to enter the archives, he immediately declined and deferred the opportunity to the girl who actually performed it. Normally, this is considered a prestigious honor, but Tatsuya declined it without a thought. Why? Because he doesn't want to enter the public eye/official records.

Nobody in the early part of the story knows that Tatsuya is from the "Four" faimly. There are some elder magicians such as the top magician in the "Nine" family that know Tatsuya's background. But for the most part, no one at school knows Tatsuya's true identity. Eventually, aside from his sister, only two others in school know that Tatsuya is from the "Four" family.

The student council president never really confirmed it, but she deduced that Tatsuya "might be" part a clan that once fell out of favor from the "Four" family. In other words, she thinks Tatsuya's family might have been originally part of the original clan, but they've declined and are now separate. She in part guessed it by noticing the phonetic similarity between his last name and "four" (as someone pointed out earlier in this thread).

The other person is Erika- the kendo girl from the "Thousand" family. She wondered if Tatsuya (based on his abilities) is from a "Numbered" family and just started to randomly guess. Well, she eventually got to "Four", and in a rare instance of emotion, Tatsuya told her to shut her trap. Obviously, Erika never brought it up again, but it's pretty obvious that Erika got her answer.

I would guess that if the president had known that Tatsuya from the "Four" family from the get-go, she would have been far more wary because of the clan's reputation (death).

After Tatsuya defeated the Crimson Prince, who is at least on par if not superior to the Big 3 at the First School- Jumonji, Mari, and President- due to his front line military experience (something Tatsuya also has), the Number clans gathered and discussed how to handle the situation. What you have to realize is that Tatsuya led two other Weed students and defeated the famous Crimson Prince- the heir of the "One" family- and his super boy genius side kick (both of whom are already famous). To the outer world, it's like a bunch of NBA Bench scrubs defeating a group of NBA All Stars. It's absolutely ludicrous. At their little meeting, Jumonji (as the rep of the "Ten" family) proposed that Tatsuya marry the student council president. In effect, Tatsuya would become part of the "Seven" family and the Number clans would get another extraordinary talent. And if he thought the president was too old, Tatsuya could go for the president's little sister, who was one year younger (9th grade or 3rd year of middle school in Asia).

And yeah, the others pretty much explained the thing with Miyuki and the "Four" family. They know the only person Tatsuya really cares about is his sister and as such, they're using that control to Tatsuya. I guess I should note that Tatsuya has a really bad impression of the "Four" family. When he bared his skin, it was filled with scars from torture and punishment from his younger days. What's even more interesting is that Tatsuya with his unique "Regeneration" ability was not able to regenerate those injuries and scars.

[Richocet]

Originally Posted by whsie

Spoiler for spoiler:

Like I said earlier, Tatsuya has to keep a low profile because he wants the others to avoid him. He doesn't want the others to know that he's part of the "Four" family. The "Four" family is supposed to shrouded in complete mystery. By comparison, the other 9 clans are pretty open and even have an alliance of sort.

With this in mind, Tatsuya did not go around showing off his abilities. For example, at the 9 School Tournament (Web 2, Second Arc), he invented a completely new move that was to be recorded into the Archives. When given the chance to enter the archives, he immediately declined and deferred the opportunity to the girl who actually performed it. Normally, this is considered a prestigious honor, but Tatsuya declined it without a thought. Why? Because he doesn't want to enter the public eye/official records.

Nobody in the early part of the story knows that Tatsuya is from the "Four" faimly. There are some elder magicians such as the top magician in the "Nine" family that know Tatsuya's background. But for the most part, no one at school knows Tatsuya's true identity. Eventually, aside from his sister, only two others in school know that Tatsuya is from the "Four" family.

The student council president never really confirmed it, but she deducted that Tatsuya "might be" part a clan that once fell out of favor from the "Four" family. In other words, she thinks Tatsuya's family might have been originally part of the original clan, but they've declined and are now separate. She in part guessed it by noticing the phonetic similarity between his last name and "four" (as someone pointed out earlier in this thread).

The other person is Erika- the kendo girl from the "Thousand" family. She wondered if Tatsuya (based on his abilities) is from a "Numbered" family and just started to randomly guess. Well, she eventually got to "Four", and in a rare instance of emotion, Tatsuya told her to shut her trap. Obviously, Erika never brought it up again, but it's pretty obvious that Erika got her answer.

I would guess that if the president had known that Tatsuya from the "Four" family from the get-go, she would have been far more wary because of the clan's reputation (death).

After Tatsuya defeated the Crimson Prince, who is at least on par if not superior to the Big 3 at the First School- Jumonji, Mari, and President- due to his front line military experience (something Tatsuya also has), the Number clans gathered and discussed how to handle the situation. What you have to realize is that Tatsuya led two other Weed students and defeated the famous Crimson Prince- the heir of the "One" family- and his super boy genius side kick (both of whom are already famous). To the outer world, it's like a bunch of NBA Bench scrubs defeating a group of NBA All Stars. It's absolutely ludicrous. At their little meeting, Jumonji (as the rep of the "Ten" family) proposed that Tatsuya marry the student council president. In effect, Tatsuya would become part of the "Seven" family and the Number clans would get another extraordinary talent. And if he thought the president was too old, Tatsuya could go for the president's little sister, who was one year younger (9th grade or 3rd year of middle school in Asia).

And yeah, the others pretty much explained the thing with Miyuki and the "Four" family. They know the only person Tatsuya really cares about is his sister and as such, they're using that control to Tatsuya. I guess I should note that Tatsuya has a really bad impression of the "Four" family. When he bared his skin, it was filled with scars from torture and punishment from his younger days. What's even more interesting is that Tatsuya with his unique "Regeneration" ability was not able to regenerate those injuries and scars.

Spoiler for question:

who is the "thousand" family? I thought the were only ten numbered families?

[whsie]

Originally Posted by Richocet

Spoiler for question:

who is the "thousand" family? I thought the were only ten numbered families?

Spoiler for clans:

There are the ten primary families numbered one through ten. Then there are a set of subsidiary families that serve the ten primary families. I forgot which family the "Thousand" family serves, but IIRC, it's the "Ten" family. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong.

[cyberdemon]

Originally Posted by whsie

Spoiler for clans:

There are the ten primary families numbered one through ten. Then there are a set of subsidiary families that serve the ten primary families. I forgot which family the "Thousand" family serves, but IIRC, it's the "Ten" family. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong.

Spoiler for families:

The Chiba family has 1000 in their name. Erika is part of that clan

[aigomorla]

Thank you so much for your explanations whise..
I think i finally get the story now.

[whsie]

Originally Posted by cyberdemon

Spoiler for families:

The Chiba family has 1000 in their name. Erika is part of that clan

Spoiler for spoiler on Erika:

I know she's part of that clan. I just can't remember which clan the Chiba clan or "Thousand" clan serves. Memory is a bit foggy on that.

[FRS]

Question for whsie:

Spoiler:

Originally Posted by whsie

...
At their little meeting, Jumonji (as the rep of the "Ten" family) proposed that Tatsuya marry the student council president. In effect, Tatsuya would become part of the "Seven" family and the Number clans would get another extraordinary talent. And if he thought the president was too old, Tatsuya could go for the president's little sister, who was one year younger (9th grade or 3rd year of middle school in Asia).
...

How did the student council president reacted to the notion of marrying Tatsuya ?

[for3ver]

Originally Posted by FRS

Question for whsie:

Spoiler:

How did the student council president reacted to the notion of marrying Tatsuya ?

im more for.. how did miyuki react.. if she found out.. :S